Delete/Lock...Draft talk over in JPZ's thread....

Originally Posted by Bigmike23

im biased in that I am a fan of the team, but its not like I AM solely saying Hansbrough at 16 makes sense, NBA writers/GM's are.

where?


what is Lawson better then flynn at? he cant be a TRUE PG like flynn can, he cant shoot like flynn, he cant play in a halfcourt offense like flynn, he doesnt have the PG vision that flynn does,elite athleticism from flynn and lawson not so much and he dont play D like flynn


Only thing that's really a standout between the two is Halfcourt Efficiency...neither of them can really shoot and make them when needed. As it standsright now you'd be far better off letting either of them shoot a jumper as opposed to going to the rack. As far as vision goes...I think that'sdebatable. He probably jumps higher than Lawson...but I'd willing to bet when those vertical numbers are release that Lawson's vert won't be thatfar off from Flynns. Lawson CAN get up. He's just not going to do what Flynn does in the air. Athleticism includes alot more than just jumping and I'mnot sure Flynn has Lawson in the other facets of athleticism...such as speed, quickness, agility, etc. I'll give you D.

Basically, I'm not agreeing that Lawson is better than Flynn but the gap is certainly not as big as some of you all are making it out to be. 10 Years fromnow if Lawson was to have a better career than Flynn it wouldn't come as a surprise to me personally. If I had topick one...right now I'd probably take Flynn and that's because Lawson hasn't shown that he's an elite point guard in the half court set likeFlynn has.
 
To me, you put Flynn on UNC...they're even better.

Lawson on Cuse...worse.


that's just college wise...I think Flynn's game translates MUCH better and Lawson will find himself as a back up PG in the long run.
 
johnny flynn with the highest vert....40 inches....
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Price[/td] [td]6' 0.5"[/td] [td]6' 2"[/td] [td]193[/td] [td]6' 3.75"[/td] [td]8' 1"[/td] [td]12.4[/td] [td]26.0[/td] [td]31.0[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]10.99[/td] [td]3.22[/td] [td]NA[/td] [td]43[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Jodie Meeks[/td] [td]6' 3"[/td] [td]6' 4"[/td] [td]211[/td] [td]6' 4.5"[/td] [td]8' 2"[/td] [td]8.0[/td] [td]28.5[/td] [td]37.0[/td] [td]14[/td] [td]10.96[/td] [td]3.10[/td] [td]NA[/td] [td]44[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Jerel McNeal[/td] [td]6' 1.5"[/td] [td]6' 3"[/td] [td]190[/td] [td]6' 7.25"[/td] [td]8' 3.5"[/td] [td]5.4[/td] [td]31.5[/td] [td]36.5[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]10.61[/td] [td]3.25[/td] [td]NA[/td] [td]46[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Josh Heytvelt[/td] [td]6' 10"[/td] [td]6' 11"[/td] [td]246[/td] [td]7' 1.25"[/td] [td]9' 0"[/td] [td]10.8[/td] [td]28.5[/td] [td]34.0[/td] [td]15[/td] [td]11.67[/td] [td]3.38[/td] [td]NA[/td] [td]50[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Demarre Carroll[/td] [td]6' 6.25"[/td] [td]6' 7.75"[/td] [td]207[/td] [td]6' 10"[/td] [td]8' 9"[/td] [td]6.3[/td] [td]NA[/td] [td]NA[/td] [td]NA[/td] [td]NA[/td] [td]NA[/td] [td]NA[/td] [td]51[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Joe Ingles[/td] [td]6' 7.75"[/td] [td]6' 8.25"[/td] [td]209[/td] [td]6' 10.25"[/td] [td]8' 9"[/td] [td]10.1[/td] [td]26.0[/td] [td]31.0[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]10.66[/td] [td]3.30[/td] [td]NA[/td] [td]52[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Taj Gibson[/td] [td]6' 8.5"[/td] [td]6' 9.75"[/td] [td]214[/td] [td]7' 4"[/td] [td]9' 1"[/td] [td]6.6[/td] [td]25.5[/td] [td]30.0[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]11.56[/td] [td]3.41[/td] [td]NA[/td] [td]53[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Greivis Vasquez[/td] [td]6' 4.75"[/td] [td]6' 6"[/td] [td]197[/td] [td]6' 7.25"[/td] [td]8' 5"[/td] [td]6.9[/td] [td]24.5[/td] [td]28.0[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]11.13[/td] [td]3.48[/td] [td]NA[/td] [td]56[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Jeff Pendergraph[/td] [td]6' 8.75"[/td] [td]6' 10"[/td] [td]240[/td] [td]7' 1"[/td] [td]8' 11"[/td] [td]5.5[/td] [td]31.0[/td] [td]35.0[/td] [td]15[/td] [td]11.98[/td] [td]3.14[/td] [td]NA[/td] [td]57[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Jack McClinton[/td] [td]5' 11.75"[/td] [td]6' 0.75"[/td] [td]185[/td] [td]6' 2.5"[/td] [td]8' 0"[/td] [td]6.2[/td] [td]30.0[/td] [td]36.5[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]10.44[/td] [td]3.21[/td] [td]NA[/td] [td]58[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Dionte Christmas[/td] [td]6' 4.25"[/td] [td]6' 5.5"[/td] [td]211[/td] [td]6' 9"[/td] [td]8' 6.5"[/td] [td]7.1[/td] [td]27.0[/td] [td]33.5[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]10.83[/td] [td]3.21[/td] [td]NA[/td] [td]59[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Luke Harangody[/td] [td]6' 6.25"[/td] [td]6' 8"[/td] [td]240[/td] [td]6' 9.75"[/td] [td]8' 10"[/td] [td]11.2[/td] [td]27.0[/td] [td]31.0[/td] [td]23[/td] [td]11.15[/td] [td]3.33[/td] [td]NA[/td] [td]No[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Jeff Adrien[/td] [td]6' 5.25"[/td] [td]6' 6.5"[/td] [td]236[/td] [td]7' 2"[/td] [td]8' 11.5"[/td] [td]7.9[/td] [td]27.5[/td] [td]31.5[/td] [td]16[/td] [td]11.34[/td] [td]3.32[/td] [td]NA[/td] [td]No[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Dante Cunningham[/td] [td]6' 7"[/td] [td]6' 8.25"[/td] [td]227[/td] [td]6' 11"[/td] [td]8' 10.5"[/td] [td]4.8[/td] [td]28.0[/td] [td]35.0[/td] [td]18[/td] [td]11.18[/td] [td]3.26[/td] [td]NA[/td] [td]No[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Tyler Smith[/td] [td]6' 5.25"[/td] [td]6' 6"[/td] [td]212[/td] [td]6' 9.75"[/td] [td]8' 8.5"[/td] [td]7.0[/td] [td]29.0[/td] [td]33.5[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]10.69[/td] [td]3.24[/td] [td]NA[/td] [td]No[/td] [/tr][/table][/th] [th=""]
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- Damion James tested pretty damn good
- Austin Daye tested awful
- No surprise with top guys with the Bench Press
- As "weak" as Steph Curry is considered...he benched more than I'm sure most would have expected him to
 
hahahah, Im not surprised, but some of you dont watch any UNC games.

Lawson cant shoot? LMAO. You must be watching games from his frosh/sophomore years.

how in gods green earth could you say Flynn on UNC makes them better, when he has NEVER, let me repeat, NEVER played in an offense that runs the way UNC does.Roy Williams is notorious with being hard on his point guards, and most take 3 years to really get the system and run it to perfection.


at the end of the day, the player(s) that go to teams that need their abilities, will have the better season next year. If one of them gets drafted where thereis a veteran starter vs. going to a team with no proven PG, that could play a role. Both will have good careers
 
uhhh because flynn is great in the open floor?


Lawson is strictly north/south has alligator arms, no elevation on his shot, can't shoot off the dribble, low release and can't run things in the halfcourt. And he's injury prone.
but some of you dont watch any UNC games.
ya because even their games against Blind and Deaf schools weren't on ESPN the past 3 years.

I gave Lawson credit this year, but he's gona be trash in the NBA




who woulda thought Harden could get up higher than Henderson?.... Jeff Green as a 2 guard.

Seeing DaJuan's numbers just gets me upset.
 
Alan Hahn writes that the Knicks may be leaning toward drafting Jrue Holiday of UCLA over Stephen Curry of Davidson with the 8th pick in this month's NBA draft.

Hahn states that he has "a feeling Holiday's potential has the Knicks more enamored right now than Curry."

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Flynn/Curry or bust.




Portland has eyes for Curry

Don't be surprised if the Portland Trail Blazers trade into the lottery, looking to acquire Davidson's Stephen Curry.

The way I hear it, the Blazers (currently picking 24th) are nosing around to trade up and have Curry in their sights. Enough teams are willing to deal down that this is a real possibility. And it would be great for Curry in this regard:

A long-time NBA scout told me months ago that the ideal situation for Curry is to play point guard on a team with a shooting guard who can also handle the ball. That would allow Curry to spot up some, and maximize the impact of his shooting.

The Blazers have just such a player in Brandon Roy. Strikes me as a great match of a player and a system.
 
Surely any deal Portland would make for Curry would include Bayless right? I don't understand why that drafted him. A more importantly...why would theywant Curry if they aren't satisfied with Bayless. Aren't they both 2's in a 1's body?
 
I'm startin to think Curry is gone by 8.

I could see Curry being a better fit for Portland, but he's no way as talented as Bayless. you put Bayless in this draft and he's top 5 or 6.

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Analysis: The Raptors have some needs on the wing since Anthony Parker and Shawn Marion are hitting free agency. On talent alone, DeRozan is one of the most gifted players in the draft. His strong play at the end of the season combined with a confident performance at the combine could push him higher. But if he's here, the Raptors won't pass.

if the raptors draft derozan does that mean they have to draft lil romeo too?
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Originally Posted by Clutchshooter

jonny flynn is going to the the best pg in this draft, which doesnt say much for this year's point guard crop.


I find it amazing that Flynn has skyrocketed since the measurements. His reach apparently has made a huge difference for some reason.

Ty Lawson does everything statistically better than Flynn. Flynn is a good leader and I think he'll be a good point guard, I just find it amazing that he has so much hyped around him. That 6 overtime game has really stuck with the NBA GMs. Apparently more than Lawson national championship game and record number of steals in that game.
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http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19309
James Johnson is smaller but tougher. He is also inconsistent but has major upside. Both guys have questions about their background.

I think Clark gets the edge based on size. He's big enough to be a full-time 4 in the NBA.

james johnson is only 2 inches shorter but almost 35 lbs heavier
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he talks down on Mullens when he had him projected as a top pick last year...

then backs up his love with Holiday for what he was in HS..

makes sense.
 
whoever nabs sam young is going to get one of the best value picks in the draft.

dude is michael finley 2.0 .
 
DeRozan's athleticism might be the most overrated aspect in this draft...he's a very good leaper but his explosiveness/first step aren't that greatto me.

Am I alone on this?
 
^You're absolutely right. Dude can get up, but he lacks ideal explosiveness for his athleticism. And his first step isn't that good at all.
 
Although the height and weight measurements from the NBA draft combine are interesting and relevant, NBA general managers and scouts also spend a lotof time dissecting the results of the NBA physical testing.

For the sixth straight year, Insider has obtained this confidential report from a league source.

Take these numbers with a grain of salt, as no one gets drafted solely on his test scores. But teams do take these reports seriously. Most scoutingdepartments believe that there are minimum athletic hurdles that players need to clear to show they can be successful in the NBA. Although the "bestathlete in the draft" has never been the best player in the draft, this is the first objective testing that we have on the top prospects.

What are the drills?

Players are asked to bench-press 185 pounds as many times as they can, test their vertical jump in two ways (no step and maximum) and run several drills tomeasure speed and lateral quickness.

Syracuse's JonnyFlynn shocked everyone by recording the biggest maximum vertical with an impressive 40 inches. He was the only player to crack the 40-inch mark.(Last year, six players did.) Four other players scored 38 or more inches in the maximum vertical jump: France's Rodrigue Beaubois (39), USC'sDeMar DeRozan (38.5),Arizona's ChaseBudinger (38.5) and UNC's Wayne Ellington (38). Meanwhile, Gonzaga's Austin Daye (28) andMaryland's GreivisVasquez (26.5) had the two worst scores in the camp.

Notre Dame's LukeHarangody and Oklahoma's Blake Griffin tested as the strongest athletes in the camp. Harangody bench-pressed 185 pounds 23 times, and Griffin did 22 reps. Oneother player, Xavier's DerrickBrown, got the bar up 20 times. Daye followed in Kevin Durant's footsteps by being unable to lift the bar once. Vasquez was able to get the barup only once, and Israel's OmriCasspi got the bar up only twice.

In the lane-agility test, Miami's Jack McClinton had the best score, finishing the drill in 10.44 seconds. UCLA's Darren Collison was a closesecond at 10.45 seconds. Arizona's Jordan Hill finished dead last with a score of 12.23 seconds. Daye wasn't much ahead of him at 12.11 seconds.

In the three-quarter-court sprints, Florida State's Toney Douglas led the way with ablinding 3.03-second run. DamionJames was second at 3.09, and Daye was last at 3.55.

Here's a look at how each player in the draft performed in every category:

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[/th] [/tr][tr][td]http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19097Jeff Adrien, UConn[/td] [td]27½"[/td] [td]31½"[/td] [td]11-3[/td] [td]11-7[/td] [td]16[/td] [td]11.34[/td] [td]3.32[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Rodrigue Beaubois, France[/td] [td]29½"[/td] [td]39"[/td] [td]10-9½[/td] [td]11-7[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]10.49[/td] [td]3.15[/td] [/tr][tr][td]DeJuan Blair,
Pittsburgh[/td] [td]26"[/td] [td]33"[/td] [td]11-½[/td] [td]11-7½[/td] [td]18[/td] [td]11.5[/td] [td]3.45[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Derrick Brown, Xavier[/td] [td]30½"[/td] [td]35½"[/td] [td]11-6[/td] [td]11-11[/td] [td]20[/td] [td]11.26[/td] [td]3.13[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Chase Budinger, Arizona[/td] [td]29½"[/td] [td]38½"[/td] [td]10-10½[/td] [td]11-7½[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]11.08[/td] [td]3.24[/td] [/tr][tr][td]http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19277DeMarre Carroll, Missouri[/td] [td]N/A[/td] [td]N/A[/td] [td]N/A[/td] [td]N/A[/td] [td]N/A[/td] [td]N/A[/td] [td]N/A[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Omri Casspi, Israel[/td] [td]25½"[/td] [td]32½"[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]11-7[/td] [td]2[/td] [td]11.15[/td] [td]3.28[/td] [/tr][tr][td]http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19336Dionte Christmas, Temple[/td] [td]27"[/td] [td]33½"[/td] [td]10-9½[/td] [td]11-4[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]10.83[/td] [td]3.21[/td] [/tr][tr][td]http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19050Earl Clark, Louisville[/td] [td]28½"[/td] [td]33"[/td] [td]11-6[/td] [td]11-10½[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]11.17[/td] [td]3.35[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Darren Collison, UCLA[/td] [td]30½"[/td] [td]33½"[/td] [td]10-7[/td] [td]10-10[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]10.45[/td] [td]3.1[/td] [/tr][tr][td]http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19347Dante Cunningham, Villanova[/td] [td]28"[/td] [td]35"[/td] [td]11-2½[/td] [td]11-9½[/td] [td]18[/td] [td]11.18[/td] [td]3.26[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Stephen Curry, Davidson[/td] [td]29½"[/td] [td]35½"[/td] [td]10-6½[/td] [td]11-½[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]11.07[/td] [td]3.28[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Austin Daye, Gonzaga[/td] [td]25"[/td] [td]28"[/td] [td]11-3[/td] [td]11-6[/td] [td]0[/td] [td]12.11[/td] [td]3.5[/td] [/tr][tr][td]DeMar DeRozan, USC[/td] [td]29"[/td] [td]38½"[/td] [td]10-11½[/td] [td]11-9[/td] [td]5[/td] [td]11.88[/td] [td]3.31[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Toney Douglas,
Florida State[/td] [td]28"[/td] [td]32½"[/td] [td]10-5½[/td] [td]10-10[/td] [td]15[/td] [td]10.63[/td] [td]3.03[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Wayne Ellington,
North Carolina[/td] [td]31½"[/td] [td]38"[/td] [td]10-11½[/td] [td]11-6[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]11.14[/td] [td]3.2[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Tyreke Evans, Memphis[/td] [td]28½"[/td] [td]34"[/td] [td]11-½[/td] [td]11-6[/td] [td]7[/td] [td]11.81[/td] [td]3.17[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Jonny Flynn, Syracuse[/td] [td]33"[/td] [td]40"[/td] [td]10-8½[/td] [td]11-3½[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]10.86[/td] [td]3.23[/td] [/tr][tr][td]http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19121Taj Gibson, USC[/td] [td]25½"[/td] [td]30"[/td] [td]11-2½[/td] [td]11-7[/td] [td]12[/td] [td]11.56[/td] [td]3.41[/td] [/tr][tr][td]http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19232Danny Green,
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North Carolina[/td] [td]27½"[/td] [td]34"[/td] [td]11-1½[/td] [td]11-8[/td] [td]18[/td] [td]11.12[/td] [td]3.27[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Luke Harangody,
Notre Dame[/td] [td]27"[/td] [td]31"[/td] [td]11-1[/td] [td]11-5[/td] [td]23[/td] [td]11.15[/td] [td]3.33[/td] [/tr][tr][td]James Harden,
Arizona State[/td] [td]31½"[/td] [td]37"[/td] [td]11-3[/td] [td]11-8½[/td] [td]17[/td] [td]11.1[/td] [td]3.13[/td] [/tr][tr][td]http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=19028&draftyear=2009Gerald Henderson, Duke[/td] [td]31½"[/td] [td]35"[/td] [td]11-2[/td] [td]11-5½[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]11.17[/td] [td]3.14[/td] [/tr][tr][td]http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19080Josh Heytvelt, Gonzaga[/td] [td]28½"[/td] [td]34"[/td] [td]11-4½[/td] [td]11-10[/td] [td]15[/td] [td]11.67[/td] [td]3.38[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Jordan Hill, Arizona[/td] [td]31"[/td] [td]35"[/td] [td]11-7[/td] [td]11-11[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]12.23[/td] [td]3.3[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Jrue Holiday, UCLA[/td] [td]28½"[/td] [td]34"[/td] [td]10-9[/td] [td]11-2½[/td] [td]6[/td] [td]10.64[/td] [td]3.21[/td] [/tr][tr][td]http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19282Joe Ingles, Australia[/td] [td]26"[/td] [td]31"[/td] [td]10-11[/td] [td]11-4[/td] [td]3[/td] [td]10.66[/td] [td]3.3[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Damion James, Texas[/td] [td]30"[/td] [td]37"[/td] [td]11-4[/td] [td]11-11[/td] [td]14[/td] [td]11.23[/td] [td]3.09[/td] [/tr][tr][td]http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19309James Johnson,
Wake Forest[/td] [td]30½"[/td] [td]35"[/td] [td]11-4[/td] [td]11-8½[/td] [td]18[/td] [td]11.21[/td] [td]3.23[/td] [/tr][tr][td]http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19171Gani Lawal,
Georgia Tech[/td] [td]30"[/td] [td]34½"[/td] [td]11-4[/td] [td]11-8½[/td] [td]17[/td] [td]11.93[/td] [td]3.34[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Ty Lawson,
North Carolina[/td] [td]29"[/td] [td]36½"[/td] [td]10-3½[/td] [td]10-11[/td] [td]14[/td] [td]10.98[/td] [td]3.12[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Eric Maynor, VCU[/td] [td]28½"[/td] [td]31½"[/td] [td]10-5½[/td] [td]10-8½[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]10.78[/td] [td]3.19[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Jack McClinton, Miami[/td] [td]30"[/td] [td]36½"[/td] [td]10-6[/td] [td]11-½[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]10.44[/td] [td]3.21[/td] [/tr][tr][td]http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19281Jerel McNeal, Marquette[/td] [td]31½"[/td] [td]36½"[/td] [td]10-11[/td] [td]11-4[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]10.61[/td] [td]3.25[/td] [/tr][tr][td]http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19339Jodie Meeks, Kentucky[/td] [td]28½"[/td] [td]37"[/td] [td]10-6½[/td] [td]11-3[/td] [td]14[/td] [td]10.96[/td] [td]3.1[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Patrick Mills,
Saint Mary's[/td] [td]27½"[/td] [td]33"[/td] [td]10-2½[/td] [td]10-8[/td] [td]8[/td] [td]10.87[/td] [td]3.1[/td] [/tr][tr][td]B.J. Mullens, Ohio State[/td] [td]28½"[/td] [td]32½"[/td] [td]11-7½[/td] [td]11-11½[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]11.1[/td] [td]3.45[/td] [/tr][tr][td]http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19164Jeff Pendergraph, Arizona State[/td] [td]31"[/td] [td]35"[/td] [td]11-6[/td] [td]11-10[/td] [td]15[/td] [td]11.98[/td] [td]3.14[/td] [/tr][tr][td]http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19039A.J. Price, UConn[/td] [td]26"[/td] [td]31"[/td] [td]10-3[/td] [td]10-8[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]10.99[/td] [td]3.22[/td] [/tr][tr][td]http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19093Tyler Smith, Tennessee[/td] [td]29"[/td] [td]33½"[/td] [td]11-1½[/td] [td]11-6[/td] [td]10[/td] [td]10.69[/td] [td]3.24[/td] [/tr][tr][td]http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19172DaJuan Summers, Georgetown[/td] [td]29½"[/td] [td]34½"[/td] [td]11-4[/td] [td]11-9[/td] [td]15[/td] [td]10.94[/td] [td]3.17[/td] [/tr][tr][td]http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=19353&draftyear=2009Jermaine Taylor,
Central Florida[/td] [td]34"[/td] [td]37½"[/td] [td]11-3[/td] [td]11-6½[/td] [td]16[/td] [td]11.54[/td] [td]3.32[/td] [/tr][tr][td]http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19334Jeff Teague,
Wake Forest[/td] [td]30½"[/td] [td]36½"[/td] [td]10-9[/td] [td]11-3[/td] [td]13[/td] [td]11.05[/td] [td]3.18[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Hasheem Thabeet, UConn[/td] [td]N/A[/td] [td]N/A[/td] [td]N/A[/td] [td]N/A[/td] [td]N/A[/td] [td]N/A[/td] [td]N/A[/td] [/tr][tr][td]http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19351Marcus Thornton, LSU[/td] [td]31"[/td] [td]33"[/td] [td]10-0[/td] [td]11[/td] [td]14[/td] [td]10.73[/td] [td]3.28[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Greivis Vasquez, Maryland[/td] [td]24½"[/td] [td]28"[/td] [td]10-5½[/td] [td]10-9[/td] [td]1[/td] [td]11.13[/td] [td]3.48[/td] [/tr][tr][td]http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19220Terrence Williams, Louisville[/td] [td]30½"[/td] [td]37"[/td] [td]11-2[/td] [td]11-8½[/td] [td]9[/td] [td]11.15[/td] [td]3.18[/td] [/tr][tr][td]http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2009&playerId=19234Sam Young,
Pittsburgh[/td] [td]27½"[/td] [td]33"[/td] [td]11-1[/td] [td]11-6½[/td] [td]N/A[/td] [td]11.47[/td] [td]3.45[/td] [/tr][/table]
[h3]Winners[/h3]
• Beaubois probably put up the best numbers across the board, as he showed great leaping ability, speed and quickness.

• Flynn confirmed why he has been such a hot name, as his scores were strong across the board.

• Arizona State's James Harden also proved to be a pretty impressive athlete. His numbers didn't quite measure up to what Brandon Roy did a fewyears ago, but he bested Roy in the lateral quickness and sprint drills. He's definitely not the bad athlete a number of NBA teams thought he was.

Harden also measures up fairly close to Roy, who is only an inch taller. Harden has a longer wingspan and bested Roy in standing reach by two and a halfinches.

• The same holds true for UNC's Tyler Hansbrough, who put up better numbers than many of the bigs who were considered more athletic in college (read:Louisville's Earl Clark, USC's Taj Gibson and Gonzaga's Josh Heytvelt). In fact, his numbers look better than those of Jordan Hill of Arizona inevery area but vertical jump.

• The draft's top prospect, Blake Griffin, represented. His 35.5-inch vertical was far from historic but it put him on par with Amare Stoudemire. Hislane-agility drill was excellent, putting him in the top 10 percent for power forwards. Others with similar scores include David Lee and Danny Granger.

His sprint score was in the middle of the pack and put him in the same league as Nick Collison and Mike Sweetney and just hundreds of a second offStoudemire. However, a sore back may have contributed to this.

Overall, Griffin's numbers were good, but not great. But when you watch him in a game, you can tell he's still going to be a monster.
[h3]Losers[/h3]
• Daye looked great in drills, but he was terrible in the athletic testing. However, I wouldn't read too much into it; Kevin Durant looked terrible twoyears ago but turned out OK.

• DeRozan was supposed to be one of the best athletes in the draft. Although his vertical jump score was impressive, what's up with those very poorlane-agility and sprint scores?

• Memphis' Tyreke Evans didn't really help himself, either. His vertical jump score was decent, but his lane-agility test was just awful for someonewho's supposed to be a point guard in the pros. As his sprint score shows, he's great going north and south. But when he has to move side-to-side? Ugh.Of course, Derrick Rose's score of 11.69 last year wasn't much better, and he turned out OK.
[h3]Other[/h3]
• Lots has been made about the speed of this year's point guards, with many teams debating whether Darren Collison, Patrick Mills or Ty Lawson wouldtake the prize in the three-quarter-court sprint. None of them did.

Toney Douglas had the fastest time at 3.03 seconds. Collison and Mills were tied for second at 3.1, Lawson was fourth at 3.12, Beaubois was fifth at 3.15,Evans was sixth at 3.17, Jeff Teague was seventh at 3.18, Eric Maynor was ninth at 3.19 and Jrue Holiday was 10th at 3.21. Surprisingly, Flynn didn't makethe top 10.

How do those numbers rate historically? Douglas had the sixth-best time in combine history. The most successful NBA player to beat him is Nate Robinson at2.96 seconds. The 3.1 score of Collison and Mills puts them on par with Kirk Hinrich, Jay Williams and Russell Westbrook.

• UCLA's Jrue Holiday often gets compared to his teammate Russell Westbrook. How did they fare in the athletic category?

Westbrook measured 36.5 inches on his vertical jump, while Holiday hit 34 inches. Westbrook also got the best of Holiday in the sprint, measuring a blazing3.08 seconds to Holiday's solid 3.23 seconds. Westbrook also benched the 185-pound bar 12 times to Holiday's six times.

However, Holiday bested Westbrook on the lane-agility drill with a pretty impressive 10.64-second score. Westbrook's score was 10.98 seconds.

Overall, it's pretty clear that Westbrook is a better athlete, but Holiday isn't too shabby either.

• Want a good NBA comparison for DeJuan Blair? Try the Warriors' Ronny Turiaf. Turiaf is taller, but both players have the same standing reach. Theyalso have the same lane-agility score, same vertical jump and similar sprint and bench-press scores
 
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