Delete/Lock...Draft talk over in JPZ's thread....

With the NBA draft combine measurements and athleticism test results released, here's how we see the NBA draft shaking out heading intoearly June.
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[/td] [td]It's not every year you get a sure bet even with the top pick (2006 anyone?). Unloading Zach Randolph should be the first order of business. Griffin gives them a power forward to build around for the next 5 years (until he bolts). All the Rubio trade talk with the Clippers appers to be just that, talk.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]Hasheem Thabeet[/td] [td]The Grizzlies are enamored with Thabeet's defensive potential and it appears he will be the pick. For a team that has had bad luck with Spaniards, Rubio would be a huge gamble (contract buyout concerns) and a tough one to recover from at 2 if the pick backfired. There's always the chance someone will move up to 2 for Rubio, but if the Grizzlies keep the pick, Thabeet appears to be the choice.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]James Harden[/td] [td]Harden lacks superstar potential, but then again that's what everyone thought about Brandon Roy before he was drafted. GM Sam Presti could opt for Rubio, but he may be more trouble than he's worth with the huge buyout. This team is under the gun to build a winner around Durant benfore he reaches the end of his contract and has a chance to hit the open market. Harden measured extremely well in Chicago with a 6'10 wingspan and a legit 6'5 in shoes. He also shocked it with great athleticism test numbers as well including a 37 inch vertical. He's about the most sure bet in this draft of anyone outside of Griffin.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]Ricky Rubio[/td] [td]There is a lot of speculation surrounding Rubio but he hasn't said anything publicly about his intentions since the lottery took place. Rubio is a rare type of player that makes all those around him better. The Kings are in need of a point guard and Sacramento would offer a place where Rubio could develop into the man.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]Jordan Hill[/td] [td]The Wizards have Antawn Jamison, but could definitely use a power forward, and Hill is one of the most intriguing players in the entire draft. After picking up basketball late in highschool, Hill has been on a tremendous development curve showing great improvement just in the past year. One of the few guys with all star potential from this draft.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]Stephen Curry[/td] [td]Curry is a hot name right now among scouts as many feel he wont make it to the rumored Knicks promise at 8. His shooting and scoring ability makes him highly sought after and it's possible Minnesota could look to trade down a few spots as they did last year. With all the small forwards and point guards available, teams such as Minnesota with multiple picks, can almost treat this like a football draft.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]Brandon Jennings[/td] [td]Golden State is an up-tempo team and Nellie loves shooters at every position. For Jennings that's check and check. While he didn't shoot particularly well in Europe, he's has an excellent shooting stroke. He is a high risk/reward pick and for a team like the Warriors swinging for the fences for a home run (last year they had great results with Randolph) is the only way this team will be able to catch up with the elite level teams in the West. The Warriors could also use this pick to help rid themselves of bad contract decisions made in the past year: Maggette or Jackson, but that wouldn't be well received by fans.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]Jonny Flynn[/td] [td]Flynn gives the Knicks an athletic point guard to build around. Considering his performance at MSG in the 6 OT game against UConn, one would have to assume he plays well there. Flynn is high on the Knicks short list of players after Curry.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]DeMar DeRozan[/td] [td]Toronto badly needs some athleticism on the perimeter and DeRozan would provide just that. While he has a chance to go top 5, a number of scouts still question his readiness and skill level. This is an interesting pick for GM Colangelo as he can move in a number of directions, whether it be looking for upside or instant help. DeRozan would obviously be a move to the future, if he slid this far.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]Tyreke Evans[/td] [td]The salary cap strapped Bucks decision on draft day may ultimately come down to which of their free agents they decide to resign between Ramon Session and Charlie Villanueva. They ultimately may let both of them walk. Tyreke Evans has a real chance to go in the top 10 after such a strong season at Memphis and would offer Milwaukee a young scorer with playmaking ability from the perimeter.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]Chase Budinger[/td] [td]With Vince Carter considerably older than their young nucleus (Lopez and Harris), an eventual replacement such as Budinger makes sense for them. Budinger has had some solid workouts including his latest in front of multiple teams in Oakland. The Nets brass have shown an affinity towards Pac-Ten players.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]DeJuan Blair[/td] [td]MJ and Larry Brown will look for a player that can help them sooner than later. Blair offers a more NBA ready player than guys like Mullens and adds the type of toughness they need. They could also look at players such as Henderson and James Johnson if available.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]Gerald Henderson[/td] [td]The Pacers took a 2-guard last year with Rush but the Duke junior would offer another athletic wing prospect for a team lacking in talent. Larry Bird values character as much as anyone and with the Duke pedigree, Henderson meets that criteria. He also measured extremely well at 6'5 with a 6'10 wingspan with good combine numbers as well.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]James Johnson[/td] [td]Johnson offers another NBA ready guy who should provide immediate results. His 257 lbs almost seemed like a misprint following the measurement numbers coming out, but he has supposedly added 8 lbs since the season ended. He's very skilled[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]Jeff Teague[/td] [td]For a team in "semi-rebuilding" mode, adding a point guard with upside like Teague makes sense. Dumars has a keen eye for talent and after making the decision to blow the team up by dealing Billups, this team can look to the future with their pick with a number of potential options available such as Teague or possibly Mullens.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]BJ Mullens[/td] [td]The Bulls can afford to take a project such as Mullens with a young centerpiece in Rose running the show. Mullens is so big and athletic and after so many teams passed on DeAndre Jordan last year, it's unlikely they will make the same mistake again.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]Eric Maynor[/td] [td]Maynor could go as high as 10 or slip into the 20s. His combine numbers were solid, but nothing outstanding. He did bench press 185 eight times which is impressive considering he only weighs 163 lbs. He obviously needs to keep building his strength to hold his own at the NBA level. Philly is a team full of athletes, so looking for stability with a guy like Maynor would be a solid option.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]Terrence Williams[/td] [td]Williams has impressed a lot of scouts in workouts so far. He has a lot of potential for a senior with the ability become a lock down defender as well as excellent passing ability. Minnesota could go in a number of directions but shooting guard appears to be an area of need with the sudden decline of Mike Miller.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]Tyler Hansbrough[/td] [td]The Hawks have a solid team with a lot of talent at various positions including power forward but tough , enthusiastic, energy guys like Hansbrough are always in demand. Hansbrough would provide an excellent back up to Al Horford for years to come.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]Wayne Ellington[/td] [td]The Jazz seem to always make good selections in the late first round. Ellington is a smooth shooter who can spread the floor for them along with Kyle Korver.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]Earl Clark[/td] [td]Earl Clark is definitely one of this year's enigmas. He's a world class athlete with some very positive attributes but scouts worry his head will derail him from reaching his potential. New Orleans may very well put this pick up for auction as they did last year. A frustrating situation for Hornets fans who missed out on players such as Darrell Arthur, Mario Chalmers, DeAndre Jordan, and Luc Richard Mbah a Moute at 27 last year.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]Ty Lawson[/td] [td]Jason Kidd isn't getting any younger. While Cuban will likely attempt to resign him, Lawson would offer a potential repacement in the next few years. He could go higher following an NCAA championship, however his lack of size and low shooting point concerns scouts.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]Omri Casspi[/td] [td]Taking Casspi after Rubio would make a European sweep in the first round for the Kings. He offers the type of toughness missing from this team. Despite a funky release on his shot, Casspi has impressed in workouts and figures to go in the mid-20s somewhere.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]Jrue Holiday[/td] [td]Everyone loves this guy but no one's exactly sure why. For someone being hyped as a potential lottery pick, too many question marks surround him. Do we know that he can run the show and play point guard? And if so, is this based on practices or high school play? He didn't play PG in high school. He's got size and defensive ability, but so does Toney Douglas. He's solid all around and has a smooth game, but for someone who was supposed to be so ready coming out of high school, he looked lost most of the season, and for a team dying for a scorer (UCLA) Holiday didn't step up. 4th pick? Makes more sense at 34.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]Damion James[/td] [td]Having played in college alongside Durant, James has the athleticism and abilities outside of scoring to gel with the franchise talent. James is an athletic freak who would provide excellent punch off the bench and could develop into a defensive stopper type.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]Tyler Smith[/td] [td]Tyler Smith didn't help himself much in the combine but teams love his ability to play team ball. He's extremely unselfish and a good passer as well as a solid athlete. The Bulls could grab another small forward at 16 such as Clark or Johnson, but with a number of solid 3s available, waiting and taking one here might be the better option.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]Derrick Brown[/td] [td]The long, lanky forward bench pressed 185 lbs an amazing 20 times, so obviously this is a guy that makes good use of the weight room. Although Brown duplicates Hakeem Warrick to a degree, he shows a little better foot speed to play on the perimeter. He's an upside guy with enough intrigue to get a team to bite late first, whether it's Memphis or another team trading for the pick. Teams such as Boston or San Antonio could look to trade or buy this pick to add Brown for defensive purposes.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]DaJuan Summers[/td] [td]Summers could fall victem to a numbers game with so many small forward in the same range. He has impressed teams in workouts with his shooting ability and athleticism. He didn;t have great numbers at Georgetown, but in the Princeton offense, who does? Minnesota can use this third pick as a value pick after addressing need with their 6 and 18 picks.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]Toney Douglas[/td] [td]The Lakers could use some help in the backcourt, particularly someone that could come in and be a strong defender like Douglas. Douglas had the fastest 3/4 court sprint in the combine at 3.03 seconds, showing his great speed. He also shows solid shooting and scoring ability. Does he really have the ability to run a team is the question.[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
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[/td] [td]Taj Gibson[/td] [td]The Cavs appear to have a year to make it happen before LeBron makes a long term decision on his future. Based on the help he got during the playoffs, it may be getting close to panic time. The frontcourt was obviously exposed in their series with Orlando. With no centers available, power forward may be their best alternative. Gibson may not have much strength, but his length offers an appealing option to throw at Superman defensively next year.[/td] [/tr][/table]
 
Jrue ain't no lottery pick, that's for damn sure (although its been said numerous times).
Knicks will regret on missing out on one of the true PGs of the draft (Curry ain't no point).
Rubio: Still not sold on him. None of the top 5 teams need him especially the Thunder.

Disregard what I'm saying for the most part. I just think that this is a hit/miss draft. I don't see many superstars coming out of this class.
 
Flynn is really a top 10 pick now?

Damn. Dude's combine seemed to lift up his stock.

7/8? Jesus.
 
Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk

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Tyler Hansbrough, regardless of what those workout numbers say, isn't on Blake's level athletically. He's not close. Watch the game. Tyler isn't as physically imposing as Blake Griffin is. And he's certainly not more skilled... Tyler can't bulldoze dudes in the NBA and he's definitely not getting the treatment from officials he got in college...

There's no damn comparison, not even close...

the funny thing is, nobody has said Tyler is the better prospect, nobody. It turned into that because I pointed out the things he does well, and that hismeasurables are pretty comparable to Griffin, minus the jumping/explosion.

Griffin is an overall better athlete, no doubt about it. I would say he's the better rebounder as well. As for shooting, to use your phrase, "theresno damn comparison not even close" Tyler is so much better in the shooting dept its not even funny
 
Harden to OKC, sounds like a good fit if they can get a PF/C later.
Being that Thabeet would be off the board of course.


Sidenote:
I dont judge dudes but DeMar has got to be one of the ugliest people on the planet, followed closely by BJ Mullens!
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Originally Posted by manamazing55

Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk

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Tyler Hansbrough, regardless of what those workout numbers say, isn't on Blake's level athletically. He's not close. Watch the game. Tyler isn't as physically imposing as Blake Griffin is. And he's certainly not more skilled... Tyler can't bulldoze dudes in the NBA and he's definitely not getting the treatment from officials he got in college...

There's no damn comparison, not even close...

the funny thing is, nobody has said Tyler is the better prospect, nobody. It turned into that because I pointed out the things he does well, and that his measurables are pretty comparable to Griffin, minus the jumping/explosion.

Griffin is an overall better athlete, no doubt about it. I would say he's the better rebounder as well. As for shooting, to use your phrase, "theres no damn comparison not even close" Tyler is so much better in the shooting dept its not even funny
You know Peja Stojakvich is so much better in the shooting department than Lebron it's not even funny, he should have been the 3 in the allnab team.
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Manamazing55...you've been drinking too much of that IC kool-aid.
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I can't believe some of the nonsense you posting in here.


list what you believe is nonsense.
 
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[/td] [td]Jonny Flynn[/td] [td]Flynn gives the Knicks an athletic point guard to build around. Considering his performance at MSG in the 6 OT game against UConn, one would have to assume he plays well there. Flynn is high on the Knicks short list of players after Curry.[/td] [/tr][/table]


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Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

Originally Posted by manamazing55

Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk

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Tyler Hansbrough, regardless of what those workout numbers say, isn't on Blake's level athletically. He's not close. Watch the game. Tyler isn't as physically imposing as Blake Griffin is. And he's certainly not more skilled... Tyler can't bulldoze dudes in the NBA and he's definitely not getting the treatment from officials he got in college...

There's no damn comparison, not even close...

the funny thing is, nobody has said Tyler is the better prospect, nobody. It turned into that because I pointed out the things he does well, and that his measurables are pretty comparable to Griffin, minus the jumping/explosion.

Griffin is an overall better athlete, no doubt about it. I would say he's the better rebounder as well. As for shooting, to use your phrase, "theres no damn comparison not even close" Tyler is so much better in the shooting dept its not even funny
You know Peja Stojakvich is so much better in the shooting department than Lebron it's not even funny, he should have been the 3 in the all nab team.
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Peja isnt even in the same breath as Lebron athletically, but the FACT of the matter is, Tyler is in the neighborhood
 
Originally Posted by manamazing55

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

Originally Posted by manamazing55

Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk

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Tyler Hansbrough, regardless of what those workout numbers say, isn't on Blake's level athletically. He's not close. Watch the game. Tyler isn't as physically imposing as Blake Griffin is. And he's certainly not more skilled... Tyler can't bulldoze dudes in the NBA and he's definitely not getting the treatment from officials he got in college...

There's no damn comparison, not even close...

the funny thing is, nobody has said Tyler is the better prospect, nobody. It turned into that because I pointed out the things he does well, and that his measurables are pretty comparable to Griffin, minus the jumping/explosion.

Griffin is an overall better athlete, no doubt about it. I would say he's the better rebounder as well. As for shooting, to use your phrase, "theres no damn comparison not even close" Tyler is so much better in the shooting dept its not even funny
You know Peja Stojakvich is so much better in the shooting department than Lebron it's not even funny, he should have been the 3 in the all nab team.
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Peja isnt even in the same breath as Lebron athletically, but the FACT of the matter is, Tyler is in the neighborhood


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Originally Posted by Frankie Valentino

Originally Posted by manamazing55

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

Originally Posted by manamazing55

Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk

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This Hansbrough/Griffin debate... Oh my God...
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Tyler Hansbrough, regardless of what those workout numbers say, isn't on Blake's level athletically. He's not close. Watch the game. Tyler isn't as physically imposing as Blake Griffin is. And he's certainly not more skilled... Tyler can't bulldoze dudes in the NBA and he's definitely not getting the treatment from officials he got in college...

There's no damn comparison, not even close...

the funny thing is, nobody has said Tyler is the better prospect, nobody. It turned into that because I pointed out the things he does well, and that his measurables are pretty comparable to Griffin, minus the jumping/explosion.

Griffin is an overall better athlete, no doubt about it. I would say he's the better rebounder as well. As for shooting, to use your phrase, "theres no damn comparison not even close" Tyler is so much better in the shooting dept its not even funny
You know Peja Stojakvich is so much better in the shooting department than Lebron it's not even funny, he should have been the 3 in the all nab team.
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Peja isnt even in the same breath as Lebron athletically, but the FACT of the matter is, Tyler is in the neighborhood


ROFL

Again, I point out why would ANYONE try to argue with this clown? Dude is a UNC homer and is blineded.
 
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[/td] [td]Jonny Flynn[/td] [td]Flynn gives the Knicks an athletic point guard to build around. Considering his performance at MSG in the 6 OT game against UConn, one would have to assume he plays well there. Flynn is high on the Knicks short list of players after Curry.[/td] [/tr][/table]


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I wouldnt mind Steph Curry also to spread the floor.
 
Originally Posted by Laced Up Jordans

Originally Posted by Frankie Valentino

Originally Posted by manamazing55

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

Originally Posted by manamazing55

Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk

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This Hansbrough/Griffin debate... Oh my God...
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Tyler Hansbrough, regardless of what those workout numbers say, isn't on Blake's level athletically. He's not close. Watch the game. Tyler isn't as physically imposing as Blake Griffin is. And he's certainly not more skilled... Tyler can't bulldoze dudes in the NBA and he's definitely not getting the treatment from officials he got in college...

There's no damn comparison, not even close...

the funny thing is, nobody has said Tyler is the better prospect, nobody. It turned into that because I pointed out the things he does well, and that his measurables are pretty comparable to Griffin, minus the jumping/explosion.

Griffin is an overall better athlete, no doubt about it. I would say he's the better rebounder as well. As for shooting, to use your phrase, "theres no damn comparison not even close" Tyler is so much better in the shooting dept its not even funny
You know Peja Stojakvich is so much better in the shooting department than Lebron it's not even funny, he should have been the 3 in the all nab team.
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Peja isnt even in the same breath as Lebron athletically, but the FACT of the matter is, Tyler is in the neighborhood


ROFL

Again, I point out why would ANYONE try to argue with this clown? Dude is a UNC homer and is blineded.


when you get out of high school, you will learn that calling people names because they disagree with you is childish. Also, some of my opinions, aresupported by facts. But dont let those get in the way or anything
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Originally Posted by manamazing55

Originally Posted by Laced Up Jordans

Originally Posted by Frankie Valentino

Originally Posted by manamazing55

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

Originally Posted by manamazing55

Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk

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This Hansbrough/Griffin debate... Oh my God...
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Tyler Hansbrough, regardless of what those workout numbers say, isn't on Blake's level athletically. He's not close. Watch the game. Tyler isn't as physically imposing as Blake Griffin is. And he's certainly not more skilled... Tyler can't bulldoze dudes in the NBA and he's definitely not getting the treatment from officials he got in college...

There's no damn comparison, not even close...

the funny thing is, nobody has said Tyler is the better prospect, nobody. It turned into that because I pointed out the things he does well, and that his measurables are pretty comparable to Griffin, minus the jumping/explosion.

Griffin is an overall better athlete, no doubt about it. I would say he's the better rebounder as well. As for shooting, to use your phrase, "theres no damn comparison not even close" Tyler is so much better in the shooting dept its not even funny
You know Peja Stojakvich is so much better in the shooting department than Lebron it's not even funny, he should have been the 3 in the all nab team.
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Peja isnt even in the same breath as Lebron athletically, but the FACT of the matter is, Tyler is in the neighborhood


ROFL

Again, I point out why would ANYONE try to argue with this clown? Dude is a UNC homer and is blineded.


when you get out of high school, you will learn that calling people names because they disagree with you is childish. Also, some of my opinions, are supported by facts. But dont let those get in the way or anything
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Dude, I'm 20 years old
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It's not the fact that youre disagreeing with me, its the ludicrousness of your statements. Ty Lawson is a better pure PG and team leader than Jonny Flynn?Tyler Hansbrough is about the same as Blake Griffin except that Griffin has more athletic ability and weakside defense?

I just look at your statements, then look at your avy , shake my head then
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those are opinions, based on actual performances by the players. I dont care if you disagree, but to dimiss it because im a UNC fan is unfair
 
Originally Posted by manamazing55

Peja isnt even in the same breath as Lebron athletically, but the FACT of the matter is, Tyler is in the neighborhood
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Tyler is in whose neighborhood athletically? I assumeyou're still referring to Blake...

Watch a damn game and stop looking at those stupid test results. No he's not... He's not anywhere near the neighborhood of Blake Griffinathletically...

Maybe he can jump high with nobody around him, but he's a stiff, awkward athlete that doesn't move around very well or explode in traffic...
 
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but he's a stiff, awkward athlete that doesn't move around very well or explode in traffic...
you just proved my point. Everything you just said has been totally disproven by his athletic tests, and the fact that he performed on the court. He lacks explosion, but he clearly is not stiff or awkward.

Explain to me how he averaged 20 and 8 for his career. Won a NPOY award. Won a national championship. Commanded double teams for 4 years.?
 
/\ You reading those tests a little closely dude...

Those combine results also say that Jordan Farmar is in Derrick Rose's class athletically too.
 
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