Florida School Shooting, Over 20 Casualties

Surprised it wasn’t “Everest college” guy
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The whole idea of arming teachesr is nonsense. Let's say you arm teachers with handguns, fine ok. They go to the range for a few hours and let off a couple of magazines to get a firearms qualification, ok fine. Here is where the logic takes over.

Firing at a stationary paper target is not the same as firing at a live, moving target. A stationary target is not firing back at you. Unless these teachers develop procedures and regularly take part in actual exercises and simulations where an active shooter is in the school, they learn how to form fire-teams to have top and rear cover, can communicate without talking and giving away their position, are able to quickly identify their target so they don't shoot the wrong person, are able to don themselves with protective gear, all while hundreds of people are running in all directions, they will just get themselves and other people killed. Everyone is brave with a gun until they are under live fire.

Trump, the republicans, and the NRA are lot of greedy, money hungry fools who could care less about teachers OR kids.
Don't even waste your energy man. People who think it's a good idea to arm teachers shouldn't be allowed to have kids or vote.
 
No. What you said is handgun vs AR like it was the title card event of ufc 237. Not like it was a real life sudden death match on hardcore.

If a teacher is equipped with a handgun...not a semi-automatic weapon, how in the world will they protect not only the children in the class, but also themselves in the case of a situation where someone else is bringing the heat with an AR? You can't even compare it.

Again....the fact that the idea of teachers carrying weapons is flat out moronic.
 
The whole idea of arming teachesr is nonsense. Let's say you arm teachers with handguns, fine ok. They go to the range for a few hours and let off a couple of magazines to get a firearms qualification, ok fine. Here is where the logic takes over.

Firing at a stationary paper target is not the same as firing at a live, moving target. A stationary target is not firing back at you. Unless these teachers develop procedures and regularly take part in actual exercises and simulations where an active shooter is in the school, they learn how to form fire-teams to have top and rear cover, can communicate without talking and giving away their position, are able to quickly identify their target so they don't shoot the wrong person, are able to don themselves with protective gear, all while hundreds of people are running in all directions, they will just get themselves and other people killed. Everyone is brave with a gun until they are under live fire.

Trump, the republicans, and the NRA are lot of greedy, money hungry fools who could care less about teachers OR kids.

It's not just that, man.

If you choose to be a teacher as a career path, you need to focus 100% of your professional attention on your craft. Yanno, like actually teaching kids and making yourself better as an EDUCATOR.

Carrying a weapon in a classroom full of children is something that is way beyond what these folks make salary-wise. If you're going to be a good marksman, find a different career path. Law enforcement, military, bodyguard, etc. But teaching :lol The idea is flat out laughable. SUCH a lazy and foolish idea. IMO, you can't be good at both because they are on the opposite ends of the spectrum as far as job responsibilities. It's either your teaching will suffer, or your aim.
 
If a teacher is equipped with a handgun...not a semi-automatic weapon, how in the world will they protect not only the children in the class, but also themselves in the case of a situation where someone else is bringing the heat with an AR? You can't even compare it.

Again....the fact that the idea of teachers carrying weapons is flat out moronic.

To be fair a handgun is also a semi automatic weapon, and a well placed shot will stop a target regardless of what they're carrying as long as they aren't wearing body armor.

I 100% agree with the bold though. I'd have my daughter home schooled at that point. It makes zero sense.
 
To be fair a handgun is also a semi automatic weapon, and a well placed shot will stop a target regardless of what they're carrying as long as they aren't wearing body armor.

I 100% agree with the bold though. I'd have my daughter home schooled at that point. It makes zero sense.

School me on it...I thought a pistol was a single shot with way less bullets in a chamber than someone with a high-powered assault rifle. However, I stand corrected on that.
 
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The dialogue that followed the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting has moved far past the usual rinse-and-repeat cycles of “thoughts and prayers” combined with calls for gun control that usually die out within days. Teen survivors have energized the issue with fiery demands for action that have led over a dozen brands — and the list is growing — to dissociate themselves from the gun lobby amid a social media call through the #NRABoycott hashtag.

The companies are making their position known by ending discounts for NRA members, which gun-control advocates seem to believe will have no impact on the organization’s existence. However, those severed ties will also lead to a loss of “kickbacks” (for unspecified amounts like those from the NRA-branded credit card discontinued by First National Bank of Omaha), which will make operations at least a little more difficult for the gun lobby. The NRA, however, has issued a statement to slam the “cowardice” of these brands while attempting to shift all responsibility for the latest mass shooting to other parties:

"Since the tragedy in Parkland, Florida, a number of companies have decided to sever their relationship with the NRA, in an effort to punish our members who are doctors, farmers, law enforcement officers, fire fighters, nurses, shop owners and school teachers that live in every American community. We are men and women who represent every American ethnic group, every one of the world’s religions and every form of political commitment.

The law-abiding members of the NRA had nothing at all to do with the failure of that school’s security preparedness, the failure of America’s mental health system, the failure of the National Instant Check System or the cruel failures of both federal and local law enforcement.

Despite that, some corporations have decided to punish NRA membership in a shameful display of political and civic cowardice. In time, these brands will be replaced by others who recognize that patriotism and determined commitment to Constitutional freedoms are characteristics of a marketplace they very much want to serve."
 
School me on it...I thought a pistol was a single shot with way less bullets in a chamber than someone with a high-powered assault rifle. However, I stand corrected on that.

Think of it like a Pez dispenser. Semi automatic basically means self loading. Whether it be a pistol, a shotgun, or a rifle. Power depends on caliber and bullet type. A 22 round from a semi automatic long rifle has less stopping power than a 9mm hollow point from a pistol, for example.

An assault rifle is technically a selective fire weapon. Single, burst, auto. Semi automatic rifles and pistols can both be converted to automatic. Some shotguns are automatic.

I think a great way to advance gun law reform is for people not familiar with guns to take a class or do research. I agree with some points about semi auto rifles (and fully support assault weapon bans) but I think caliber, modification, and select fire restrictions may be the best starting point to get things done. "Semi automatic weapons" is a very broad term and I think lack of knowledge on the subject goes into the difficulty in gaining traction for reform.
 
Yeah, the majority of law abiding members don’t have anything to do with these problems - but the culture of the leadership and their “from my dead hands” rhetoric has caused huge damage over decades.
 
Think of it like a Pez dispenser. Semi automatic basically means self loading. Whether it be a pistol, a shotgun, or a rifle. Power depends on caliber and bullet type. A 22 round from a semi automatic long rifle has less stopping power than a 9mm hollow point from a pistol, for example.

An assault rifle is technically a selective fire weapon. Single, burst, auto. Semi automatic rifles and pistols can both be converted to automatic. Some shotguns are automatic.

I think a great way to advance gun law reform is for people not familiar with guns to take a class or do research. I agree with some points about semi auto rifles (and fully support assault weapon bans) but I think caliber, modification, and select fire restrictions may be the best starting point to get things done. "Semi automatic weapons" is a very broad term and I think lack of knowledge on the subject goes into the difficulty in gaining traction for reform.

Appreciate the info....

FWIW, I'm not one of these people who want all guns banned. I'm all for 2nd Amendment rights, but up to a point. I think there is a common/middle ground here, but both sides of the argument have to be willing to not only listen, but actually attempt to to make some sort of change.
 
Appreciate the info....

FWIW, I'm not one of these people who want all guns banned. I'm all for 2nd Amendment rights, but up to a point. I think there is a common/middle ground here, but both sides of the argument have to be willing to not only listen, but actually attempt to to make some sort of change.

Fully agree. Simple fact is there's no reason for a civilian to have an assault weapon.

I have thought of a solution that I haven't seen elsewhere to allow civilian ownership for collecting, which is essentially point welding and sealing to make the weapon impossible to fire without illegal and extreme modification. That and completely abolishing ownership of Class 3 firearms for non military personnel.
 
This country overestimates citizens behavior and sanity the same way dog owners do. "Oh he's good, he doesn't need a leash" :| that mfer needs a leash and a muzzle.
 
This country overestimates citizens behavior and sanity the same way dog owners do. "Oh he's good, he doesn't need a leash" :stoneface: that mfer needs a leash and a muzzle.
As someone who's been **** scared of dogs for nearly my entire life, there's nothing that annoys me more than when dog owners say this.
 
Yeah I love my time at the range, but it's stupid to not even want to listen to proposals on common sense gun laws which likely won't harshly affect you if you're a sensible owner.

Also legal/illegal, whatever, I know the dominant society views minority gun ownership differently and unfairly no matter the measure, but the least we can do as a society is control the privilege of the crazy white people.
 
Fully agree. Simple fact is there's no reason for a civilian to have an assault weapon.

I have thought of a solution that I haven't seen elsewhere to allow civilian ownership for collecting, which is essentially point welding and sealing to make the weapon impossible to fire without illegal and extreme modification. That and completely abolishing ownership of Class 3 firearms for non military personnel.

The problem with this is because parts are so widely available and as of right now, basically untrackable (not to mention the compound issue of 3d printing) that whatever part you rendered useless can be replaced. Easily.

Maybe restricting the caliber in new rifles to 22 and 9mm would appease the crowd of making changes to the AR?

I personally think it's still a bandaid to make people FEEL better. Bottom line is 99% of rifles aren't misused so it's hard for me to stand behind a sweeping change to their design. But if this will pacify people then so be it
 
The problem with this is because parts are so widely available and as of right now, basically untrackable (not to mention the compound issue of 3d printing) that whatever part you rendered useless can be replaced. Easily.

Maybe restricting the caliber in new rifles to 22 and 9mm would appease the crowd of making changes to the AR?

I personally think it's still a bandaid to make people FEEL better. Bottom line is 99% of rifles aren't misused so it's hard for me to stand behind a sweeping change to their design. But if this will pacify people then so be it

I thought of that and it's why I suggested welding and sealing. Strategic welds and removal of certain components could essentially render a rifle useless without having to completely rebuild it damn near ground up. Outlaw the modification of a nonfiring collectors weapon to an operable rifle. Cost factor to convert will suppress the market quickly and at least do something about future rifle sales.

I completely agree the ones already in circulation are a lost cause. Futile to even have a conversation about those unless gun exchange program is the topic.

3D printing will be the next big frontier. I'm wondering where that will go because that's gonna be a doozy once the average person realizes the capabilities.
 
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