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Nah. Just like you I'm wondering where duke went.Oh nah I thought u was responding to
about where her husband had went
That’s why I was like “huh”
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Nah. Just like you I'm wondering where duke went.Oh nah I thought u was responding to
about where her husband had went
That’s why I was like “huh”
He's Ozymandias from the initial comics. As to what he's up to now, no idea.Am I supposed to have an idea of what Jeremy Irons character is, or did I miss something?
its assumedHe's Ozymandias from the initial comics. As to what he's up to now, no idea.
Wildin'.Daredevil s1.
I'm all in.
The way things all converged for this show to happen the way it is is pretty interesting. Ta-Nehisi Coates influence heavy.
Wildin'.
I agree that it's way too early, but this is head and shoulders above any of those other superhero shows, mainly because they're dealing with it from much more of a dramatic angle. That automatically makes it more respectable to people, for some reason.
It's more a function of the Watchmen story and how it was one of if not the first brutally honest and realistic superhero story line where the lines are a lot more blurred than your standard 'bad guy gets powers and uses them to avenge loved one's death (even though that's pretty much the premise here, too ). Watchmen was always moreso a study of American society on a wide scale. The statement it makes about the world needing a common enemy feels a lot more grand (also gives me a bigtime Leftovers vibe ). That's what made the movie so divisive, i think. It's far from your standard comic book superhero story, so your point about not even calling this a superhero show I agree with.
Same, I love Leftovers plus if they got to tell the entire story of Lost without the writers strike i'm sure it would have been better. Even then it was still a good show.Fair enough, but I didn't have as much of a problem with Lost or Prometheus as everyone else did (I actually enjoyed both overall). On top of that, The Leftovers being his last project really has me giving him every benefit of the doubt. So take everything I say about this show with a grain of salt because I think I'm just realizing I'm a Lindelof fanboy,
Ozymandias was part of the Crimebusters (Rorschach, Silk Spectre II, Comedian, Nite Owl II, Dr. Manhattan, Captain Metropolis), who were formed years after the Minutemen. In the Watchmen comics/graphic novel, Ozymandias is basically responsible for uniting humanity together against a perceived alien enemy (giant squid). It wasn't an actual alien, just a gigantic squid like creature that he created specifically to fool the world into thinking they were under attack by aliens and therefore needed to unite to avoid nuclear war.
Watchmen doesn't have any clear cut villains but Ozymandias comes the closest to being the villain. He's considered to be the world's smartest man, takes part in all sorts of weird experiments and kills anybody who might get in his way.
Also, Looking Glass is very Rorschach-like. The weird mask, the way he eats with the mask on, his inquisitiveness and distrust of people around him. I hope there's more to his character than him being a hidden Kavalry member.
So far this show doesn't seem like a superhero story at all.Wildin'.
I agree that it's way too early, but this is head and shoulders above any of those other superhero shows, mainly because they're dealing with it from much more of a dramatic angle. That automatically makes it more respectable to people, for some reason.
It's more a function of the Watchmen story and how it was one of if not the first brutally honest and realistic superhero story line where the lines are a lot more blurred than your standard 'bad guy gets powers and uses them to avenge loved one's death (even though that's pretty much the premise here, too ). Watchmen was always moreso a study of American society on a wide scale. The statement it makes about the world needing a common enemy feels a lot more grand (also gives me a bigtime Leftovers vibe ). That's what made the movie so divisive, i think. It's far from your standard comic book superhero story, so your point about not even calling this a superhero show I agree with.
Yeah my wife hadn't watched E1 and I asked her last night if she wanted to catch up before E2 came on. She's not into comic book stuff and said she didn't want to watch a superhero show, but I convinced her that it's loosely based on a comic but about much more. She was hooked after the first episode and is now all-in. Completely agrees that it's much more than a superhero show.So far this show doesn't seem like a superhero story at all.
It's a show based off a comic book for sure but look at what we're dealing with; the cops dealing with a white supremacist group. That main topic so far is barely related to the Watchmen comic. The police force only wear masks cuz they shook at terrorist groups targeting their families. There was one black person in the Watchmen comic iirc.
Its very good but I can't really go championing this as a superhero show cuz 3 cops wear costumes.
Lindelof is smart tomuse this comic as a vehicle to talk about what he really wants to talk about; racism, race relations, police brutality, the blue side/black side, blue wall, conspiracies, conspiracy theorists, etc.
Not saying its better cuz again their very different but I enjoyed Daredevil a lot more cuz it was a direct adaption of the Daredevil comic, thematically, action wise, crime, and drama.
I'll go even further though and say its a stretch to even credit DC with any of this. All they did was manage to keep Alan Moore's work and exploit it for profit. This isnt like any other DC show cuz Moore created entirely new universe and world built an entire alternate history.
I guess for me, any story that derives from a series of comic books, I consider it a comic book movie/show. Just because it doesn't necessarily fit in the mold of what we consider a standard superhero story doesn't disqualify it for me. Same with something like V for Vendetta. Much less superhero, but certainly a comic book movie in my eyes.Its very good but I can't really go championing this as a superhero show cuz 3 cops wear costumes.
Lindelof is smart tomuse this comic as a vehicle to talk about what he really wants to talk about; racism, race relations, police brutality, the blue side/black side, blue wall, conspiracies, conspiracy theorists, etc.
So far this show doesn't seem like a superhero story at all.
It's a show based off a comic book for sure but look at what we're dealing with; the cops dealing with a white supremacist group. That main topic so far is barely related to the Watchmen comic. The police force only wear masks cuz they shook at terrorist groups targeting their families. There was one black person in the Watchmen comic iirc.
Its very good but I can't really go championing this as a superhero show cuz 3 cops wear costumes.
Lindelof is smart tomuse this comic as a vehicle to talk about what he really wants to talk about; racism, race relations, police brutality, the blue side/black side, blue wall, conspiracies, conspiracy theorists, etc.
Not saying its better cuz again their very different but I enjoyed Daredevil a lot more cuz it was a direct adaption of the Daredevil comic, thematically, action wise, crime, and drama.
I'll go even further though and say its a stretch to even credit DC with any of this. All they did was manage to keep Alan Moore's work and exploit it for profit. This isnt like any other DC show cuz Moore created entirely new universe and world built an entire alternate history.
I don't want to interchange but you're right that if it's based off a comic book its a comic book show. Stumptown on ABC is a comic book show based on an indie comicbook.I guess for me, any story that derives from a series of comic books, I consider it a comic book movie/show. Just because it doesn't necessarily fit in the mold of what we consider a standard superhero story doesn't disqualify it for me. Same with something like V for Vendetta. Much less superhero, but certainly a comic book movie in my eyes.
I definitely agree that Watchmen is just the vehicle. What's so clever to me is that Watchmen is one of those stories that you can add a new skin to and tell a whole new story for a whole new generation. I can see it continuing to grow with much more adaptations as the years pass. For me it doesn't need to be a clear adaptation with the same themes and issues. Feel like this is striking the perfect balance for me.
And nah, I'm not even considering DC in the equation here. I feel like when we talk comics we get too wrapped up in the DC/Marvel archetype. There are so many other companies putting out stories that are so far from a dude in a cape with superpowers.
Would you consider The Walking Dead a comic book TV show?
Definitely clones.But I think they just clones
Right????
Don’t all the dude servants look the same or am I trippin