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If Kanye's next album is a classic, is he the GOAT?
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Nas could be the GOAT of lyricism thats it. he is probably the best rapper who cant actually rap.
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Clarify.
This is my first time hearing that Nas can't rap.
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People say he has a bad ear for beats. Well I see it as him always picking beats that he's comfortable on. the majority of his beats are always around 80-95 bpm. I think thats why alot of people consider Nas boring. You never see him taking risks with different flows but thats his choice. His breath control is flawed as a vet but for example Hero was a track with a higher bpm he damn near suffocated. You cant take anything away from dude lyricaly and thats why I always considered dude as a poet more so a rapper.
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^ this is what happens when the South thinks they have credibility, smh
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^ This is what happens when **%##+ look up to rappers
That @%!@! dont love you back man
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I just read all the pages and I wanna chime in.
Kanye is NOT the GOAT (rapper, producer)
He is a damn good ARTIST, but his albums, to me, have been declining with each release.
As previously stated, he is a 1st ballot HOF, but not the greatest to ever play.
As far as first 4 albums, no he did not release the best ever.
I would put Jay-Z ahead (RD, VOL 1-3)
Tribe (People's, Low end theory, midnight marauders,beats rhymes and life)
and the best 1st 4 rap albums ever
Outkast(southernplayalistic, ATLiens, Aquemini, Stankonia)
ahead of Kanye's 1st 4 albums (CD=classic, LR=very good, Graduation=good, 808=%%! is this crap?)
There is no doubting that Kanye has had a huge influence on pop culture this past decade, but does that make him the GOAT?
IMO.........NO, not at all.
BIG had more impact w/ only 2 releases, Pac has had more influence with what was released AFTER he died, when he had no input of what SHOULD have been released. Nas was good, but c'mon, after ILLMATIC, u can't help but go downhill from that.
Other rap artists that I think are better than Kanye, in no particular order....ALL the ones mentioned above, Geto Boys/Scarface, Gang Starr, EPMD, E-40(personal preference, from being from the bay), Dre, Cube, NWA, Snoop, KRS, thats just going off the top of my head
That puts Kanye out of the top 10 of all time, how would 1 more "good" album make him the GOAT?!?!?
Kanye is NOT the GOAT (rapper, producer)
He is a damn good ARTIST, but his albums, to me, have been declining with each release.
As previously stated, he is a 1st ballot HOF, but not the greatest to ever play.
As far as first 4 albums, no he did not release the best ever.
I would put Jay-Z ahead (RD, VOL 1-3)
Tribe (People's, Low end theory, midnight marauders,beats rhymes and life)
and the best 1st 4 rap albums ever
Outkast(southernplayalistic, ATLiens, Aquemini, Stankonia)
ahead of Kanye's 1st 4 albums (CD=classic, LR=very good, Graduation=good, 808=%%! is this crap?)
There is no doubting that Kanye has had a huge influence on pop culture this past decade, but does that make him the GOAT?
IMO.........NO, not at all.
BIG had more impact w/ only 2 releases, Pac has had more influence with what was released AFTER he died, when he had no input of what SHOULD have been released. Nas was good, but c'mon, after ILLMATIC, u can't help but go downhill from that.
Other rap artists that I think are better than Kanye, in no particular order....ALL the ones mentioned above, Geto Boys/Scarface, Gang Starr, EPMD, E-40(personal preference, from being from the bay), Dre, Cube, NWA, Snoop, KRS, thats just going off the top of my head
That puts Kanye out of the top 10 of all time, how would 1 more "good" album make him the GOAT?!?!?
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BIG had more impact w/ only 2 releases, Pac has had more influence with what was released AFTER he died, when he had no input of what SHOULD have been released.
To be fair Big died before he had a chance to put out a terrible album but I'm sure if he was alive today he would of put out several sub-par albums because every artist has a few bad albums in their catalog. Same goes for Pac and none of his albums released after he died are anywhere near classic status.
Nas was good, but c'mon, after ILLMATIC, u can't help but go downhill from that.
Can't argue with your opinion but as great as Illmatic is it's not the holy grail of hip-hop albums so I don't get why everyone keeps putting it up on a pedestal and measuring every hip-hop album against it. Nas released many albums since Illmatic that are just as good if not better thematically and lyrically.
Other rap artists that I think are better than Kanye, in no particular order....ALL the ones mentioned above, Geto Boys/Scarface, Gang Starr, EPMD, E-40(personal preference, from being from the bay), Dre, Cube, NWA, Snoop, KRS, thats just going off the top of my head
That puts Kanye out of the top 10 of all time, how would 1 more "good" album make him the GOAT?!?!?
E-40 better than Ye?At what?? This is a perfect example of how there are no great rappers just favorite rappers. E-40 though? Really? That's pathetic…reevaluate your life.
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it was written and illmatic >>>>>>>> kanye's entire catalog....thats indisputable.
and with that said no one can challenge that, so ya can /thread and all this kanye goat nonsense...
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So rap is a sport now? by your standards Bone thugs > Nas
this thread is no place for you go back to your wilt chamberlain mixtape series
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I don't believe any of these are better besides maybe Dre and Snoop... but really with those three?
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Your man said KRS is not better than Kanye.
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Shut your weird #%! up
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Charles Hamilton > Kanye West
The Pink Lavalamp > Anything Kanye Ever Put Out.
got beef meet me on 119th and Lexington
The Pink Lavalamp > Anything Kanye Ever Put Out.
got beef meet me on 119th and Lexington
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I mean...what are you dudes judging stuff on?
Lyrics only? Well then yea...Kanye can't hold a candle to most of these people mentioned.
But as an all around artist? 95% of the people mentioned in this thread ain't seeing 'Ye.
Lyrics only? Well then yea...Kanye can't hold a candle to most of these people mentioned.
But as an all around artist? 95% of the people mentioned in this thread ain't seeing 'Ye.
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West side >
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exactly... if it was all about lyrics $%!! would be poetry... flow, beats, hooks, subject matter, etc... all that $%!! matters...
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Thats what the hell I was saying before
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To be fair Big died before he had a chance to put out a terrible album but I'm sure if he was alive today he would of put out several sub-par albums because every artist has a few bad albums in their catalog. Same goes for Pac and none of his albums released after he died are anywhere near classic status.
Nas was good, but c'mon, after ILLMATIC, u can't help but go downhill from that.
Can't argue with your opinion but as great as Illmatic is it's not the holy grail of hip-hop albums so I don't get why everyone keeps putting it up on a pedestal and measuring every hip-hop album against it. Nas released many albums since Illmatic that are just as good if not better thematically and lyrically.
Other rap artists that I think are better than Kanye, in no particular order....ALL the ones mentioned above, Geto Boys/Scarface, Gang Starr, EPMD, E-40(personal preference, from being from the bay), Dre, Cube, NWA, Snoop, KRS, thats just going off the top of my head
That puts Kanye out of the top 10 of all time, how would 1 more "good" album make him the GOAT?!?!?
E-40 better than Ye?At what?? This is a perfect example of how there are no great rappers just favorite rappers. E-40 though? Really? That's pathetic…reevaluate your life.
E-40>Ye…reevaluate your life.
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Can't argue with your opinion but as great as Illmatic is it's not the holy grail of hip-hop albums so I don't get why everyone keeps putting it up on a pedestal and measuring every hip-hop album against it. Nas released many albums since Illmatic that are just as good if not better thematically and lyrically.
Other rap artists that I think are better than Kanye, in no particular order....ALL the ones mentioned above, Geto Boys/Scarface, Gang Starr, EPMD, E-40(personal preference, from being from the bay), Dre, Cube, NWA, Snoop, KRS, thats just going off the top of my head
That puts Kanye out of the top 10 of all time, how would 1 more "good" album make him the GOAT?!?!?
E-40 better than Ye?At what?? This is a perfect example of how there are no great rappers just favorite rappers. E-40 though? Really? That's pathetic…reevaluate your life.
E-40>Ye…reevaluate your life.
at what? making up words?
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Can't argue with your opinion but as great as Illmatic is it's not the holy grail of hip-hop albums so I don't get why everyone keeps putting it up on a pedestal and measuring every hip-hop album against it. Nas released many albums since Illmatic that are just as good if not better thematically and lyrically.
Other rap artists that I think are better than Kanye, in no particular order....ALL the ones mentioned above, Geto Boys/Scarface, Gang Starr, EPMD, E-40(personal preference, from being from the bay), Dre, Cube, NWA, Snoop, KRS, thats just going off the top of my head
That puts Kanye out of the top 10 of all time, how would 1 more "good" album make him the GOAT?!?!?
E-40 better than Ye?At what?? This is a perfect example of how there are no great rappers just favorite rappers. E-40 though? Really? That's pathetic…reevaluate your life.
E-40>Ye…reevaluate your life.
We might have a slight case of mental ******ation here, gentlemen....
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I liked college dropout when it came out and thru the wire is still in my top 10 songs of all time.
But after that besides a few songs, i cant stand him. Just doesnt make my type of music
But after that besides a few songs, i cant stand him. Just doesnt make my type of music
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im still laughing at da fact that you still fail to see that illmatic and it was written is better then da entire discography of kanye based on those attributes