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This is TRUE!..Allen iverson had a BIG impact off the court
Is it just the Jordan mystique that makes him the "undisputed" GOAT?
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This is TRUE!..Allen iverson had a BIG impact off the court
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You're looking at KAJ's accolades based off of a 20yr career in which he played damn near the full season every single year... Mike missed damn near an entire season with a broken foot his 2nd yr in then sat out 2 yrs of his prime and yet he only finished 6k in points behind him. Only during his wizard stints did Mike not score over 2200 points in a season... so had he not missed that time and played straight through he would've surpassed KAJ career scoring record by over 1,000 5yrs earlier.
I mean we're comparing a 20yr body of work to 15yrs and its neck & neck... Then when you look at the fact that during that 15span he sat out 2yrs of his prime, had a season in which he only played 17 games total... A lot of records would still have his name on them if it wasn't for him letting people live in 94 & 95... Not to mention when he left in 98 he was still averaging 30... he didn't retire because he couldn't dominate, let alone play anymore he just gracefully bowed out.
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You're looking at KAJ's accolades based off of a 20yr career in which he played damn near the full season every single year... Mike missed damn near an entire season with a broken foot his 2nd yr in then sat out 2 yrs of his prime and yet he only finished 6k in points behind him. Only during his wizard stints did Mike not score over 2200 points in a season... so had he not missed that time and played straight through he would've surpassed KAJ career scoring record by over 1,000 5yrs earlier.
I mean we're comparing a 20yr body of work to 15yrs and its neck & neck... Then when you look at the fact that during that 15span he sat out 2yrs of his prime, had a season in which he only played 17 games total... A lot of records would still have his name on them if it wasn't for him letting people live in 94 & 95... Not to mention when he left in 98 he was still averaging 30... he didn't retire because he couldn't dominate, let alone play anymore he just gracefully bowed out.
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All the playoff recoeds are like Favre's records, you dont think Lebron will break all them in time, except PPG in playoffs... Im just gonna say im born and raised chicago and i remember him being a ballhog and not letting us see pippens true talents until Jordan went to play Baseball then if you recall Pippen was in the MVP running and the Bulls made the playoffs as a good seed and came a BAD CALL against the Knicks from being in the Finals with PETE MYERS as 2 guard, not DREXLER, NOT MILLER, PETE MYERS... So would everyone please stop acting like HE WAS THE TEAM he wasnt, 4 of the best 3 point shooters EVER in B.J. Paxson Kerr and Hodges, PIPPEN RODMAN KUKOCH, Plus the talent was better then? are u serious?? There was no D Rose when jordan played no Lebron and a young SHAQ, Bird retired Magic old and fat, Jordan played the CAVS 2 times in the eastern conference finals and there best player was EHLO and DAUGHERTY?? GARBAGE When lebron has had to go thru Boston with 4 HOF's Detroit who went to 5 str8 EC finals, 3 HOF's in the Finals against Spurs plus noone from Jordans era got rings except HAKEEM, Malone Stockton Miller Barkley, Peyton, all played about 20 year careers and Jordan won six so i would imagine if they were as GREAT as everyone claims they could have won a ring in the other 14 years that Jordan didnt... its purely this wack mystique that everyone treats like rappers when it comes to snitchin and they just wont say anyone is better, i heard Mike Greenberg say aand i quote "I dont care if Lebron or anybody wins 12 str8 rings i just cant picture myself saying ANYONE is better then MJ" thats just lame and its because he used to cover the bulls.... but thats typical MJ fan
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All the playoff recoeds are like Favre's records, you dont think Lebron will break all them in time, except PPG in playoffs... Im just gonna say im born and raised chicago and i remember him being a ballhog and not letting us see pippens true talents until Jordan went to play Baseball then if you recall Pippen was in the MVP running and the Bulls made the playoffs as a good seed and came a BAD CALL against the Knicks from being in the Finals with PETE MYERS as 2 guard, not DREXLER, NOT MILLER, PETE MYERS... So would everyone please stop acting like HE WAS THE TEAM he wasnt, 4 of the best 3 point shooters EVER in B.J. Paxson Kerr and Hodges, PIPPEN RODMAN KUKOCH, Plus the talent was better then? are u serious?? There was no D Rose when jordan played no Lebron and a young SHAQ, Bird retired Magic old and fat, Jordan played the CAVS 2 times in the eastern conference finals and there best player was EHLO and DAUGHERTY?? GARBAGE When lebron has had to go thru Boston with 4 HOF's Detroit who went to 5 str8 EC finals, 3 HOF's in the Finals against Spurs plus noone from Jordans era got rings except HAKEEM, Malone Stockton Miller Barkley, Peyton, all played about 20 year careers and Jordan won six so i would imagine if they were as GREAT as everyone claims they could have won a ring in the other 14 years that Jordan didnt... its purely this wack mystique that everyone treats like rappers when it comes to snitchin and they just wont say anyone is better, i heard Mike Greenberg say aand i quote "I dont care if Lebron or anybody wins 12 str8 rings i just cant picture myself saying ANYONE is better then MJ" thats just lame and its because he used to cover the bulls.... but thats typical MJ fan
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It's the shoes, smh...
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It's the shoes, smh...
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Jordans mystique is my biggest pet peeve in sports
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Jordans mystique is my biggest pet peeve in sports
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The Jordan mystique doesn't make him the goat. It just keeps people from rationally considering anyone else.
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The Jordan mystique doesn't make him the goat. It just keeps people from rationally considering anyone else.
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Originally Posted by grittyman20
So based on Jordan's accomplishments, let's look at Kareem's...
[table][tr][th=""]Career highlights and awards[/th][/tr][tr][td][/td][/tr][/table]
- 6× NBA Champion (1971, 1980, 1982, 1985,1987–1988)
- 6× NBA Most Valuable Player (1971–1972, 1974,1976–1977, 1980)
- 19× NBA All-Star (1970–1977, 1979–1989)
- 2× NBA Finals MVP (1971, 1985)
- 10× All-NBA First Team (1971–1974, 1976–1977,1980–1981, 1984, 1986)
- 5× All-NBA Second Team (1970, 1978–1979, 1983,1985)
- 5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1974–1975,1979–1981)
- 6× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1970–1971,1976–1978, 1984)
- NBA Rookie of the Year (1970)
- NBA All-Rookie Team (1970)
- NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team
- 3× NCAA Men's Basketball Champion (1967–1969)
- 3× NCAA Basketball Tournament MOP (1967–1969)
- Naismith College Player of the Year (1969)
- 2× USBWA College Player of the Year (1967–196
- #33 retired by Milwaukee Bucks
- #33 retired by Los Angeles Lakers
I can see why some people feel as if KAJ is the greatest of all time as well, his accomplishments are just as impressive.
longevity doesn't = better player
If Player A was THE best player in the league for 10 years and Player B was in the top 10 for 15 years, which one is a better player?
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Originally Posted by grittyman20
So based on Jordan's accomplishments, let's look at Kareem's...
[table][tr][th=""]Career highlights and awards[/th][/tr][tr][td][/td][/tr][/table]
- 6× NBA Champion (1971, 1980, 1982, 1985,1987–1988)
- 6× NBA Most Valuable Player (1971–1972, 1974,1976–1977, 1980)
- 19× NBA All-Star (1970–1977, 1979–1989)
- 2× NBA Finals MVP (1971, 1985)
- 10× All-NBA First Team (1971–1974, 1976–1977,1980–1981, 1984, 1986)
- 5× All-NBA Second Team (1970, 1978–1979, 1983,1985)
- 5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1974–1975,1979–1981)
- 6× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1970–1971,1976–1978, 1984)
- NBA Rookie of the Year (1970)
- NBA All-Rookie Team (1970)
- NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team
- 3× NCAA Men's Basketball Champion (1967–1969)
- 3× NCAA Basketball Tournament MOP (1967–1969)
- Naismith College Player of the Year (1969)
- 2× USBWA College Player of the Year (1967–196
- #33 retired by Milwaukee Bucks
- #33 retired by Los Angeles Lakers
I can see why some people feel as if KAJ is the greatest of all time as well, his accomplishments are just as impressive.
longevity doesn't = better player
If Player A was THE best player in the league for 10 years and Player B was in the top 10 for 15 years, which one is a better player?
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You're looking at KAJ's accolades based off of a 20yr career in which he played damn near the full season every single year... Mike missed damn near an entire season with a broken foot his 2nd yr in then sat out 2 yrs of his prime and yet he only finished 6k in points behind him. Only during his wizard stints did Mike not score over 2200 points in a season... so had he not missed that time and played straight through he would've surpassed KAJ career scoring record by over 1,000 5yrs earlier.
I mean we're comparing a 20yr body of work to 15yrs and its neck & neck... Then when you look at the fact that during that 15span he sat out 2yrs of his prime, had a season in which he only played 17 games total... A lot of records would still have his name on them if it wasn't for him letting people live in 94 & 95... Not to mention when he left in 98 he was still averaging 30... he didn't retire because he couldn't dominate, let alone play anymore he just gracefully bowed out.
Exactly. You can't look at pure stats because a lot of the career stats can be attributed to longevity, which is definitely a plus but it doesn't make someone a better player. Jordan was arguably THE best player in the NBA for the VAST majority of his career (excluding his wizard days). Probably from his 3rd season until his last game with the Bulls.
If Kobe plays long enough, he may very well overtake Jordan in career points. Does that make him better?
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You're looking at KAJ's accolades based off of a 20yr career in which he played damn near the full season every single year... Mike missed damn near an entire season with a broken foot his 2nd yr in then sat out 2 yrs of his prime and yet he only finished 6k in points behind him. Only during his wizard stints did Mike not score over 2200 points in a season... so had he not missed that time and played straight through he would've surpassed KAJ career scoring record by over 1,000 5yrs earlier.
I mean we're comparing a 20yr body of work to 15yrs and its neck & neck... Then when you look at the fact that during that 15span he sat out 2yrs of his prime, had a season in which he only played 17 games total... A lot of records would still have his name on them if it wasn't for him letting people live in 94 & 95... Not to mention when he left in 98 he was still averaging 30... he didn't retire because he couldn't dominate, let alone play anymore he just gracefully bowed out.
Exactly. You can't look at pure stats because a lot of the career stats can be attributed to longevity, which is definitely a plus but it doesn't make someone a better player. Jordan was arguably THE best player in the NBA for the VAST majority of his career (excluding his wizard days). Probably from his 3rd season until his last game with the Bulls.
If Kobe plays long enough, he may very well overtake Jordan in career points. Does that make him better?
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Born and raised in Chicago but a Patriots fan?
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YUP really stop tryin to be funny and go look it up BJ armstrong is in the top 10 best 3 point shooters ever percentage wise, so why not try and look some stuff up and not Make BIG words tryin to be funny, Step up your Chicago Bulls Knowledge....Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE
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YUP really stop tryin to be funny and go look it up BJ armstrong is in the top 10 best 3 point shooters ever percentage wise, so why not try and look some stuff up and not Make BIG words tryin to be funny, Step up your Chicago Bulls Knowledge....Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE
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Born and raised in Chicago but a Patriots fan?
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Actually a Tom Brady fan sorry if thats against your rules of "from chicago i should like jim mcmahon" and whats that got to do with what i said? Grow up and get some valid points man is everyone 12 on here??