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Sure it is. You make no sense. And you're missing the point of what we're discussing.
So whatever point you're trying to make now, this late in the game, is moot.
Jay-z wouldn't have had a career if Biggie and Pac didn't die - snoop
Sure it is. You make no sense. And you're missing the point of what we're discussing.
So whatever point you're trying to make now, this late in the game, is moot.
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Right. Sounds just like Nas.
With a response as brilliant as that, how can anyone argue with you?
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Meaning every year he dominated the rap game? NO
Meaning his flow stayed either mediocre of above par for 15 straigh years? Yeah
Meaning his flow stayed either mediocre of above par for 15 straigh years? Yeah
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Comments like these only prove your either a Jay Stan or Nas hater
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Stop fronting champ. LOL @ a "tab bit better". Not to take anything away from DMX, but lyrically it's not even close or should be thought of as such.not sure if serious....Only thing Is dark and hell is hot has over reasonable doubt is sales & cultural impactthis...thats da ONLY reason we bring it up.
im stillthat some of ya think reasonable doubt is better then its dark and hell is hot.
you can put both those albums on any metric (sales, lyrics, cultural impact, singles,etc) and DMX's first
album will tidal wave over it.
Reasonable doubt had better singles
Lyrically by far better
Better production
Just a overall better album point blank
get at me dog?
ruff ryders athem??
how's it going down?
stop being greedy?
with dame grease and swizz beatz in their PRIME? nah b..
there's a reason DMX's album had a greater cultural impact, cuz it was something
that was so ILL it rocked da rap landscape...you can' do that having a inferior album.
lyrically da jay-z album is a tad bit better, but da DMX is no slouch...prayer?
****** done started something? pssh...that whole album front to back is a masterpiece.
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gllahone84
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the nerve...
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No God's Son?
Untitled?
You wildin.
Untitled?
You wildin.
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Bruh.
Lock this thread up.
Truth and logic and actual historical context cease to exist here.
This thread died a while ago.
Lock this thread up.
Truth and logic and actual historical context cease to exist here.
This thread died a while ago.
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This thread went south QUICK. Its one thing to debate who's better between Nas/Jay(as per the NT unwritten rule), but its like folks can't like both.
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Fools can't like both.
I love both.
Anyone in their right mind would.
They both NICE.
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I appreciate the honesty.
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Illphillips posts on the last few pages of this thread = truth and honesty
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they both nice but dudes are out here saying that dark and hell is hot >>> reasonable doubt, and that mase was king of new york????
All I'll say is Reasonable Doubt>Its Dark and Hell is Hot>Harlem World. And I own and love all three albums.
Let me open this can of worms. Had BIG not died and him and Nas began a feud, who would have won
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OK. So you don't respect me. Cool.
And your respect means nothing to me because you have yet to say anything I deem to be even remotely intelligent.
So we good now?
And your respect means nothing to me because you have yet to say anything I deem to be even remotely intelligent.
So we good now?
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Man post on your real SN LOL
You're bring nothing to thread but more nonsense ..
I agree this thread been died and it needs to be locked.
You're bring nothing to thread but more nonsense ..
I agree this thread been died and it needs to be locked.
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Jay-z never took L's? Lulz...
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jay-z never "ran" any era...he knows once you have the top stop the only place to go is down.......in the 90's dmx dropped 3 albums in 3 years and did 4 million , 3 million and 5 million...jay never reallyhad a run like that....
and in the 2000's.....
2000-2005
NELLY
country grammar : 9 million
nellyville : 6 million
sweat :1 million
suit : 3 million
19 million
eminem
marshall mathers LP : 12 million
the eminem show : 11 million
encore : 5 millon
28 million
50 cent
get rich or die trying : 8 million
the massacre : 5 million
13 million
ludacris
back for the first time : 3 million
word of mouf : 3 million
chicken n beer 2 million
red light district 2 million
10 million
jay-z
dynasty : 2 million
blueprint : 2 million
blueprint 2 : 2 million
the black album : 3 million
9 million
5th best selling rapper of that "pre-retirement", pre-youtube era
then there was...
2005-2010
lil wayne
carter 2 : 1 million
carter 3 : 4 million
rebirth : 500k
i am not a human being 500k
6 million
T.I
KING : 2 million
TI VS T.I.P : 1 million
papertrail : 2 million
5 millon
kanye west
late registration : 2 million
graduation : 2 million
808's and heartbreaks : 1 million
my beatiful dark twisted fantasy : 1 million
6 million
young jeezy
thug motivation 101 : 2 million
thug motivation 102 : 1 million
the recession : 1 million
4 million
eminem
relapse : 2 million
recovery : 4 million
6 million
jay-z
kingdom come : 1 million
american gangster : 2 million
the blueprint 3 : 1 million
4 million
once again in 5th place , tied with jeezy for 5th at that.....i didnt throw in outkast because they are a group but you can throw them into the 2000-2005 category too if you want
but aside from eminem , who's career would you rather have? honestly none even come close
jay-z's genius was retiring and letting 50 punch himself out , not devoting albums just for woman like nelly and aligning himself with the right people like beyonce while letting go of certain people like damon dash before dames temper ruined something huge like his one nation contract.....knowing when to sell rocawear etc.......he knew it was all about timing and decisions
and in the 2000's.....
2000-2005
NELLY
country grammar : 9 million
nellyville : 6 million
sweat :1 million
suit : 3 million
19 million
eminem
marshall mathers LP : 12 million
the eminem show : 11 million
encore : 5 millon
28 million
50 cent
get rich or die trying : 8 million
the massacre : 5 million
13 million
ludacris
back for the first time : 3 million
word of mouf : 3 million
chicken n beer 2 million
red light district 2 million
10 million
jay-z
dynasty : 2 million
blueprint : 2 million
blueprint 2 : 2 million
the black album : 3 million
9 million
5th best selling rapper of that "pre-retirement", pre-youtube era
then there was...
2005-2010
lil wayne
carter 2 : 1 million
carter 3 : 4 million
rebirth : 500k
i am not a human being 500k
6 million
T.I
KING : 2 million
TI VS T.I.P : 1 million
papertrail : 2 million
5 millon
kanye west
late registration : 2 million
graduation : 2 million
808's and heartbreaks : 1 million
my beatiful dark twisted fantasy : 1 million
6 million
young jeezy
thug motivation 101 : 2 million
thug motivation 102 : 1 million
the recession : 1 million
4 million
eminem
relapse : 2 million
recovery : 4 million
6 million
jay-z
kingdom come : 1 million
american gangster : 2 million
the blueprint 3 : 1 million
4 million
once again in 5th place , tied with jeezy for 5th at that.....i didnt throw in outkast because they are a group but you can throw them into the 2000-2005 category too if you want
but aside from eminem , who's career would you rather have? honestly none even come close
jay-z's genius was retiring and letting 50 punch himself out , not devoting albums just for woman like nelly and aligning himself with the right people like beyonce while letting go of certain people like damon dash before dames temper ruined something huge like his one nation contract.....knowing when to sell rocawear etc.......he knew it was all about timing and decisions
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Ill giving him this he's been the most relevant artist along with snoop to do it for so long
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relevant as in what? Snoop Dogg to me is the most wack great rapper, I don't think he made a great album in a decade. So imo as an artist, he hasn't been relevant in a while...nobody is checking for his music anymore.
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But this is also folly. I make it no secret that Jay-Z is my favorite musician ever, but I dont like Nas at all. It has little to do with their beef, the constant comparisons or any of that. Cam and Jay beefed, and I still like Cam, Jay and Big are compared nonstop and I still like Big, I just dont like Nas. Never cared for his music in the slightest. Someone can like one and not like the other for a myriad of reasons, it does nothing to discredit anyone.
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The same could be said for j****. A lot of people have grown tired of him rapping about his biz ventures that they can't relate too and situations they can't imagine in there day to day lives. If it wasn't for his collabs and him jumping on remixes every once in a while he would of been nas status ( which ain't a bad thing )
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no, Jay skills might not be what they once were, but he is mos def better at making tracks than Snoop Dogg and it's not even close. Snoop hasn't done an album in a decade that has been still talked about.
He was the highlight of WTT
