Jay-z wouldn't have had a career if Biggie and Pac didn't die - snoop

[ninjahood]

This thread went south QUICK. Its one thing to debate who's better between Nas/Jay(as per the NT unwritten rule), but its like folks can't like both.

This thread went south QUICK. Its one thing to debate who's better between Nas/Jay(as per the NT unwritten rule), but its like folks can't like both.

Fools can't like both.

I love both.

Anyone in their right mind would.

They both NICE.

But this is also folly. I make it no secret that Jay-Z is my favorite musician ever, but I dont like Nas at all. It has little to do with their beef, the constant comparisons or any of that. Cam and Jay beefed, and I still like Cam, Jay and Big are compared nonstop and I still like Big, I just dont like Nas. Never cared for his music in the slightest. Someone can like one and not like the other for a myriad of reasons, it does nothing to discredit anyone.

yo was wrong with you duke, how you dont like pac OR nas?

 

[rrlegend]

no, Jay skills might not be what they once were, but he is mos def better at making tracks than Snoop Dogg and it's not even close. Snoop hasn't done an album in a decade that has been still talked about. 

He was the highlight of WTT

wtt highlight was them talking the same ish over some new beats. but i guess the same could be said for mac and devin go to highschool soundtrack . The making better tracks than snoop is opinion; snoop to me is more relatable with his day to day life than jay is to most people. Yes jay-z is the 2x the rapper snoop is but snoop just has staying power he's been rapping since 92  and is 21 years in the game same with jay but if all jay had was rap to fall back on like snoop would his aura be the same ? thats what i meant by relevance . 

 

[antidope]

I have no respect for the hiphop culture, I was too young to understand them, I'm not smart enough to understand their rhymes, I dont understand the black mans struggle, my Jay-Z stanship is so extreme that anyone who has said anything negative about him ever becomes forever hated by me, I dont know good music. These are the go to responses.

 

[killa07]

But snoop still puts out good music( besides his horrible reggae) especially with the dogg pound, but west coast music is really an acquired taste

 

[knowledgebones72]

yo was wrong with you duke, how you dont like pac OR nas?

I have no respect for the hiphop culture, I was too young to understand them, I'm not smart enough to understand their rhymes, I dont understand the black mans struggle, my Jay-Z stanship is so extreme that anyone who has said anything negative about him ever becomes forever hated by me, I dont know good music.

I'm glad you've finally admitted this, at least to yourself if not anyone else.

The next step is to really look at yourself and ask the question, "why?"

 

[Baby Face Nelson]

I have no respect for the hiphop culture, I was too young to understand them, I'm not smart
enough to understand their rhymes, I dont understand the black mans struggle, my Jay-Z stanship is so extreme that anyone who has said anything negative about him ever becomes forever hated by me, I dont know good music. These are the go to responses.

I see what you did there, you just pulled a B Rabbit! But that might be a bad example to use because Em played B Rabbit in 8 Mile and the movie also had a soundtrack that had songs from Jay and Nas. You probably didn't realize that he was going at Jay on that song because you stopped the cd after "8 miles and running". In other threads you have proclaimed that jay is better than Nas and Em, so it's not too far off for me to guess that you think Jay had the song on the soundtrack and that Jay should of been in the final battle scene to beat Em? I mean I'm sure you wanted a realistic outcome.

 

[killa07]

I see what you did there, you just pulled a B Rabbit! But that might be a bad example to use because Em played B Rabbit in 8 Mile and the movie also had a soundtrack that had songs from Jay and Nas. You probably didn't realize that he was going at Jay on that song because you stopped the cd after "8 miles and running". In other threads you have proclaimed that jay is better than Nas and Em, so it's not too far off for me to guess that you think Jay had the song on the soundtrack and that Jay should of been in the final battle scene to beat Em? I mean I'm sure you wanted a realistic outcome.

That song was damn near better then ether lol

 

[cash money 1999]

jay's stans in full effect

 

[510thanos]

Always gotta be the weakest ***** out the crew
I'll probably make more money off your album that you
You see the respect I get every time I come through
Check your own videos you'll always be number two.

jays response was wack. a straight red herring. Mase hit him wit facts on facts. ninjas talkin bout platinum all day but stay catchin bricks. jay comes back with "you weak, imma make more money, ppl respect me" he sound like kenny powers LMAO. 5th grade name calling...

 lame as f(uck

yo was wrong with you duke, how you dont like pac OR nas?

brah dnt dig rappers wit substance. to each his own tho

 

[antidope]

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I have no respect for the hiphop culture, I was too young to understand them, I'm not smart
enough to understand their rhymes, I dont understand the black mans struggle, my Jay-Z stanship is so extreme that anyone who has said anything negative about him ever becomes forever hated by me, I dont know good music. These are the go to responses.

I see what you did there, you just pulled a B Rabbit! But that might be a bad example to use because Em played B Rabbit in 8 Mile and the movie also had a soundtrack that had songs from Jay and Nas. You probably didn't realize that he was going at Jay on that song because you stopped the cd after "8 miles and running". In other threads you have proclaimed that jay is better than Nas and Em, so it's not too far off for me to guess that you think Jay had the song on the soundtrack and that Jay should of been in the final battle scene to beat Em? I mean I'm sure you wanted a realistic outcome.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Please clarify. What song?

yo was wrong with you duke, how you dont like pac OR nas?

brah dnt dig rappers wit substance. to each his own tho

There it is.

 

[killa07]

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=izXzotyKYTg&desktop_uri=/watch?v=izXzotyKYTg
Ish don't know how to embed on phone
Nas"wanna be me"

 

[prez t]

again i ask -- how many of yall arguing in this thread over who was the "king of new york" actually lived in the tri state area during the period in question ? how are dudes actually trying to argue against Mase and DMX being the kings of New York in the late 90s ?

 

[va757va]

again i ask -- how many of yall arguing in this thread over who was the "king of new york" actually lived in the tri state area during the period in question ? how are dudes actually trying to argue against Mase and DMX being the kings of New York in the late 90s ?

anything to discredit jay...

dudes went from big to pac, to nas...now they on nelly and mase..dmx...lol...

dudes got a whole roster up against one man...they plug each mans prime in( which ironically is always 1-2 years) vs., jay z...whomever yall fav rapper is wouldnt be hot if yall hold him to these same standards...

add to that, illmatic aint go platinum until 2000...how is nas running rap if dudes outselling him every year???   how nas get a pass but jay dont?? 

this aint bout rap...its obviously deeper than yall...

hypothetical hate...is that even real hate??

 

[trynafeelmink]

again i ask -- how many of yall arguing in this thread over who was the "king of new york" actually lived in the tri state area during the period in question ? how are dudes actually trying to argue against Mase and DMX being the kings of New York in the late 90s ?

Ma$e KONY .... The ***** was literally out for two years once he hit his stride and got bounced outta hiphop. Next ****** gonna tell me Harlem world was better than Reasonable doubt also.

It's crazy to me the inconsistency in some of ya'll post

1) Jay wasn't selling what X sold & didn't have the impact culturally that X had around 98. That is your reasoning behind giving him the crown correct?
2) But then ya'll argue that Nas had GREAT material around the early 2000's & despite not having the same kind of sales, cultural impact, relevance as Jay- he was somewhat head and shoulders next to jay during that time?

So Impact, Popularity & sales is enough for X to be the undisputed KONY but the same criteria doesn't apply for jay a few years later.

Stillmatic was a great album, blueprint was the bigger album (It changed the ENTIRE landscape of rap for the next few years)
Nas singles weren't as big as Jay's singles
Nas wasn't anywhere near as big as jay as far as popularity goes. I mean the ***** brought out Michael Jackson at summer jam while Nas was busy trying to literally Lynch a Jay-Z figure.

 

[deuce king]

jay-z never "ran" any era...he knows once you have the top stop the only place to go is down.......in the 90's dmx dropped 3 albums in 3 years and did 4 million , 3 million and 5 million...jay never reallyhad a run like that....

and in the 2000's.....

.....and NONE of the rappers you listed or named have had a run like Jay Z has had.  So what's your point??

again i ask -- how many of yall arguing in this thread over who was the "king of new york" actually lived in the tri state area during the period in question ? how are dudes actually trying to argue against Mase and DMX being the kings of New York in the late 90s ?

My argument was moreso based on the "King of Rap", not necessarily the "King of New York"  I'll let you New York/tri-state dudes argue/debate over that. 

 

[jayfiend]

.....and NONE of the rappers you listed or named have had a run like Jay Z has had.  So what's your point??



My argument was moreso based on the "King of Rap", not necessarily the "King of New York"  I'll let you New York/tri-state dudes argue/debate over that. 

I wouldn't call it a "Run" it's like this...

Jay has been the most consistent rapper of our time. He has been around for a long time putting out quality Music. And honestly that's why he is in my top 5 all time.

With that being said even tho he has been consistent all those years. It's not a lot of those years where you can say he was hands down the man.

A Run would be something like...

DMX in 98-00
Eminem- 00 - 03
50 - 03-05
Wayne - 06 -08

And so on and on...

People came in this thread saying Jay was killing it and was the top Dog in years that he wasnt.

Jay has had the best career out of all the dudes named. But before some of those dudes feel off they was smashing Jay. I don't see how you can argue that.

Jay is smart and even used some of the names mentioned in this thread to stay in the light.

He could have been like Nas and just stay in his lane and make good music. For real hip hop dudes to listen to.

But no he throws a DMX or a Eminem on the album so it could be talked about.

It's a very smart way of doing things. But it also tells you he used some of their heat to keep him self hot.

Nobody in this thread is saying Jay is trash or nothing just that he never really ran **** like people claim.

 

[jayfiend]

My bad

 

[jayfiend]

My bad

 

[jayfiend]

Smh

 

[tommyicerocking]

lol

 

[va757va]

So Impact, Popularity & sales is enough for X to be the undisputed KONY but the same criteria doesn't apply for jay a few years later.

Stillmatic was a great album, blueprint was the bigger album (It changed the ENTIRE landscape of rap for the next few years)
Nas singles weren't as big as Jay's singles
Nas wasn't anywhere near as big as jay as far as popularity goes. I mean the ***** brought out Michael Jackson at summer jam while Nas was busy trying to literally Lynch a Jay-Z figure.

'everybody loopin up soul, its like they tryna make the bp2 before hov' ..

jay had THE WHOLE GAME buying just blaze and kanye 'soul' beats like hotcakes!!  evern YOUR fav rapper followed suit!!

'yall just kids, see what i just did, took a couple bars off let just live'- beautiful verse over an even more beautiful beat that jay z obviously couldnt have influenced...lol..

 

[trynafeelmink]

To top it off he had BY far the strongest crew around him during the early 2000's State Prop, Dipset, Kanye

There was not one single crevice of hiphop that wasn't touched by Rocafella, and when you see that sign you think Jay & Dame but dudes are arguing popularity and relevance even after 2000... REALLY?

 

[deuce king]

.....and NONE of the rappers you listed or named have had a run like Jay Z has had.  So what's your point??



My argument was moreso based on the "King of Rap", not necessarily the "King of New York"  I'll let you New York/tri-state dudes argue/debate over that. 

I wouldn't call it a "Run" it's like this...

Jay has been the most consistent rapper of our time. He has been around for a long time putting out quality Music. And honestly that's why he is in my top 5 all time.

With that being said even tho he has been consistent all those years. It's not a lot of those years where you can say he was hands down the man.

A Run would be something like...

DMX in 98-00
Eminem- 00 - 03
50 - 03-05
Wayne - 06 -08

And so on and on...

 

I appreciate your response and the breakdown.  I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with your assessment of 98-00 in regards to DMX over Jay.  I can see how and why some people would rank DMX over Jay Z during that timeframe, more so 98-99, not really 98-00......but to me Jay was killing any and everything around then.  Especially given the metrics scale that ninjahood wrote down earlier, in bold................(sales, lyrics, cultural impact, singles,etc)

 

[tommyicerocking]

To top it off he had BY far the strongest crew around him during the early 2000's State Prop, Dipset, Kanye

There was not one single crevice of hiphop that wasn't touched by Rocafella, and when you see that sign you think Jay & Dame but dudes are arguing popularity and relevance even after 2000... REALLY?

too bad Jay was the same ***** that knock the team hustle.......smh......he was only thinking about himself

 

[trynafeelmink]

So due to the overwhelming OPINIONS of cats saying Jay wasn't even in the running of KONY during DMX time i decided hey lets bring out the #'s

DMX (1998-2000)
12 Million Sold
1 Top 20 Single
Jay-Z (1998-2000)
11 Million Sold
1 #1 he was featured on
3 Top 20 Hits of his own
the Biggest single on the RUFF RYDERS compilation..... but X was CLEARLY the bigger of the 2.

It's Dark & Hell Is Hot - 3x Platinum

(All These #'s are top 100 not just Rap/hip-hop)

Get At Me Dog - #39
Hows It Going Down - #70
RR Anthem - #99


Hard Knock Life 5x Platinum
Received A Grammy for the album (In Which he Boycotted because they DIDNT include X)
The Streets Is Watching Movie is Certified Platinum as of 1998
Was Featured on Hearbraker with Mariah which was the #1 Sing in the country

Can I Getta - #19
Hard Knock Life #15
***** What ***** Who - #88


Flesh Of My Flesh Blood Of My Blood 4x Platinum

Only Official Single was Slippin considering it was still being carried by the singles of the first album.

Life & Times Of S.Carter Vol 3. – 3X Platinum

J**** My ***** - #28 (AKA OFFICIALLY the biggest song off of the Ruff Ryders compilation)
Girl’s Best friend - # 52 (This was also featured on yet another Compilation)
Put Your Hands Up - # 62
Big Pimpin - # 18

Then There Was X – 5x Platinum

Whats My Name - #66
Party Up - #21
What These ******* Want - #49

The Dynasty – 2 million

I Just Wanna Love Ya - #1 in hiphop/R&B (I can’t find the top 100 position for this but i'm pretty sure it was top 20 if not top 10 this is prolly one of jays biggest hits)
Change The Game - #86
Guilty Until Proven Innocent - #82

Nostalgia often clouds judgement... ya'll might wanna chill on that