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**LA LAKERS THREAD** Sitting on 17! 2023-2024 offseason begins
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damn I wouldn’t have minded giving up a 2nd round pick for Monte morris
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if hes obsessed with the warriors probably not
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Need cap space to do that.
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Aaron Larseul again mentioned to “look at the lakers tax situation …repeater tax…”
With that said, lakers have probably capped D’lo at 16 mill to stay below the tax line.
That’s where the hold up prob is with D’lo looking for a sign and trade for 20 or so million.
Btw Aaron larseul is in Pelinkas text chain. That’s how close he is to those guys.
With that said, lakers have probably capped D’lo at 16 mill to stay below the tax line.
That’s where the hold up prob is with D’lo looking for a sign and trade for 20 or so million.
Btw Aaron larseul is in Pelinkas text chain. That’s how close he is to those guys.
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3 spots left
12) D’lo 16 mill
13) Tristan Thompson vet min
14) Another center vet min
15) Empty 15th spot
12) D’lo 16 mill
13) Tristan Thompson vet min
14) Another center vet min
15) Empty 15th spot
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How the hell did Josh Richardson go for the vet minimum.
Woulda rather have him vs Reddish but of course feeling has to be mutual
Woulda rather have him vs Reddish but of course feeling has to be mutual
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only thing I can see cuffs referring to is bridges or primo lol
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not like paul or mav or anything but he’s a friend
not like paul or mav or anything but he’s a friend
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Which Bridges?!?!
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Damn. We really gonna let D’lo walk for nothing huh.
About 20 mill left over for 3 roster spots.
Two vet mins.
Either D’lo takes 15-16 mill or they just being Beasley back at 10 mill.
Come on rob. Don’t do it
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If a team doesn’t go after Reaves.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes 2+1.
That is a lot more advantageous for him in the long run if he doesn’t get another offer.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes 2+1.
That is a lot more advantageous for him in the long run if he doesn’t get another offer.
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Lakers upgrade roster with Gabe Vincent and Taurean Prince but still have work to do
The Los Angeles Lakers entered free agency emphasizing the importance of maintaining continuity and needing only marginal upgrades to a roster that made the Western Conference finals.
They stayed true to their word on the first day of free agency, agreeing to re-sign restricted free agent Rui Hachimura (three years, $51 million) while adding guard Gabe Vincent (three years, $33 million), forward Taurean Prince (one year, $4.5 million) and wing Cam Reddish (two-year veteran’s minimum, player option on the second year), team sources confirmed to The Athletic.
The Lakers will use the non-taxpayer midlevel exception on Vincent and the biannual exception on Prince, meaning they will be hard-capped at the first luxury-tax apron of $172 million. That restriction won’t prevent them from bringing back restricted free agent Austin Reaves or unrestricted free agent D’Angelo Russell, according to multiple team sources not authorized to speak publicly. Reaves remains priority No. 1 for the Lakers, and the Lakers are still interested in re-signing Russell despite signing Vincent, another shoot-first combo guard, those sources said.
Reaves’ first-year salary is capped at $12.4 million due to the “Gilbert Arenas provision” of the CBA, regardless of whether he agrees to re-sign with the Lakers for the maximum they can offer (about four years, $52 million) or if they match a backloaded offer sheet from another team (around four years, $102 million at most).
Realistically, the most the Lakers will be able to offer Russell on a first-year salary is around $20 million to $22 million, depending on the types of minimum contracts they use to fill out their roster. (Minimum contracts carry different values depending on a player’s years of service). Beyond Reaves and Russell, the Lakers have either two or three veteran’s minimum roster slots available — expect two because they will likely carry 14 official roster players into the 2023-24 season. (The Lakers can technically retain either Malik Beasley or Lonnie Walker IV over the veteran’s minimum using Bird rights, but it depends on the first-year salary for Russell.)
After declining to pick up Beasley’s $16.5 million team option and waiving the non-guaranteed salaries of Mo Bamba ($10.3 million) and Shaquille Harrison ($2.4 million), the Lakers opened up their non-taxpayer midlevel exception to use on a starter-level rotation upgrade. They found one in Vincent, who becomes their primary offseason addition. The 27-year-old sharpshooting guard is regarded as a tough defender who seamlessly fit with Miami’s hard-nosed, selfless culture.
Vincent, a four-year veteran, was relatively pedestrian in the regular season, posting averages of 9.4 points, 2.1 rebounds, 2.5 assists and 0.9 steals in 25.9 minutes per game. He shot just 40.2 percent from the field, 33.4 percent from 3 and 87.2 percent from the free-throw line during that span. But his numbers rose significantly during the playoffs, as he averaged 12.7 points per game on on 40.2/37.8/88.2 shooting splits in 30.5 minutes per game with Tyler Herro out with a hand injury. The most notable jump was beyond the arc, where Vincent went from a below-average shooter to an above-average one.
Unlike Russell, Vincent is a proven playoff contributor. He was arguably the Heat’s third-best player for much of their magical Finals run as a No. 8 seed, notching five 20-point games, including at least one in each round. He should bolster Los Angeles’ shooting, ballhandling and point-of-attack defense when it matters most.
Assuming the Lakers retain Reaves and Russell, Vincent projects to come off the bench as the team’s third guard. He could easily start next to Reaves if the Lakers don’t agree to terms with Russell, or if he outplays Russell in training camp and the Lakers decide to move Russell to the bench. Reaves should be a locked-in starter, assuming he returns.
Essentially, Vincent replaces Dennis Schröder, who signed a two-year, $26 million deal with the Toronto Raptors shortly after the Lakers signed Vincent. Considering the players available in a similar price range, including Schröder, Vincent is a solid value for the Lakers. If he ends up coming off the bench, he’d be the best bench guard the Lakers have had in years.
The Lakers considered bringing Schröder back but ultimately viewed Vincent as the better player and value, according to team sources. Lakers head coach Darvin Ham was one of the internal voices strongly in favor of retaining Schroder, those sources said.
In the days leading into free agency, the Lakers were confident they would land former Nuggets wing Bruce Brown with a multiyear non-taxpayer midlevel exception contract, multiple league sources told The Athletic. But that changed Friday morning when the Indiana Pacers cleared additional cap space and became the favorites to land Brown. Brown ended up agreeing to a two-year, $45 million deal with Indiana, nearly double the annual value the Lakers could offer him.
Meanwhile, Hachimura’s deal was largely in line with his market value, which The Athletic reported was roughly $15 million to $18 million. The 25-year-old forward ended up making on the higher end of that range, with the Lakers valuing the certainty of locking him up and not letting another team try to raise the price.
Like Vincent, Hachimura was a playoff riser in free agency, bumping his scoring (9.6 to 12.2), field-goal percentage (48.5 to 55.7) and 3-point percentage (29.6 to 48.7). Hachimura’s 3-point shooting in future seasons will go a long way in determining the value of his contract. Fortunately for the Lakers, he’s an ideal fit next to LeBron James and Anthony Davis and was the team’s fourth-best player for much of their deep postseason run.
As of now, Hachimura is the only free agent the Lakers have retained. He entered the offseason as the Lakers’ second priority after Reaves and is a key member of the group that Lakers vice president of basketball operations and general manager Rob Pelinka referred to when he stated the team intends to “keep our core of young guys together” this offseason.
After being waived by the Minnesota Timberwolves earlier this week before his $7.7 million salary for this 2023-24 season was guaranteed, Prince will arrive in Los Angeles as the type of 3-and-D wing the Lakers have long coveted. He’s a career 37.2 percent 3-point shooter on 4.4 attempts per game, and he made 38.1 percent of his 3s last season. He’ll likely come off the bench, backing up James and Hachimura as a floor-spacer in catch-and-shoot, kick-out and pick-and-pop situations. Prince is tough and rates out as an above-average defender in most advanced metrics.
Reddish is a name that had been picking up buzz over the previous couple of days. The front office has had an affinity for him, and he has obvious ties to the organization given he’s represented by Klutch Sports, run by James’ childhood friend Rich Paul. The 6-foot-8 Reddish averaged 11.0 points on a 56.1 true shooting percentage in 20 games with Portland last season after being traded from the New York Knicks. He’s not much of a 3-point shooter (32.2 percent for his career) and tends to gamble for steals and lose focus defensively. At just 23 (he’ll turn 24 before the season), the former No. 10 overall pick is the type of swing on untapped potential that has paid off for the Lakers in recent seasons with Malik Monk, Lonnie Walker IV and, to a lesser extent, Stanley Johnson. Reddish has shown flashes throughout his career, but he’s yet to consistently make an impact in a winning context.
Re-signing Hachimura was a formality, as is re-signing or matching on Reaves. But the real question with the Lakers’ offseason was what they would do with their exceptions. They effectively replaced Schröder and Troy Brown Jr., who agreed to sign in Minnesota, with Vincent and Prince, which is an upgrade for Los Angeles. (Beasley, Bamba and Walker remain unsigned as of Friday night.) They added two above-average shooters while maintaining the defensive acumen that made them so dominant at times during the second half of last season. They also took a low-risk flier on Reddish that could pay off.
Russell is the other question mark. There doesn’t appear to be much leaguewide interest in signing him; if so, the Lakers hold most of the leverage in negotiations and have the power to squeeze millions out of a potential deal.
While Friday’s moves were an undeniable success that bolstered the roster of a team that was four wins away from the NBA Finals, the Lakers still have some holes on their roster. Their shooting is improved, but it would be a stretch to say it’s a strength of the roster. They are heavily betting on Vincent and Hachimura carrying over their postseason shooting numbers. If both return to closer to their 2023-24 regular season percentages, Los Angeles won’t have enough spacing around James, Davis and Reaves.
Additionally, while the Lakers’ perimeter defense is better with Vincent and Prince onboard, there are legitimate questions about how they will match up against teams with multiple big scoring wings, like Boston and the Clippers). Jarred Vanderbilt, an obvious choice to guard players like Jayson Tatum and Kawhi Leonard, may be played off the floor in those matchups, as he was at times during the playoffs.
Finally, LA still has a giant hole in the middle behind Anthony Davis. At this point, they only have one center (Davis) on the roster. Hachimura and James are capable of sliding up to center, but that’s only in certain situations. As the Lakers look to fill their final two roster spots beyond Reaves and (possibly) Russell, the best approach would be inking two veteran’s minimum bigs as necessary depth and injury insurance. Bamba has interest in staying with the Lakers and could be an option, according to a league source.
As for future moves, Reaves and Russell obviously remain on the market. Reaves is surveying the landscape and taking his time before re-signing with the Lakers, but his options are fading. The Lakers’ messaging that they were going to match any offer presented to Reaves appears to be working in their favor.
The Lakers’ work is far from over, but they’ve built upon last season’s identity and appear better positioned to repeat last season’s success than they did less than 24 hours ago.
The Los Angeles Lakers entered free agency emphasizing the importance of maintaining continuity and needing only marginal upgrades to a roster that made the Western Conference finals.
They stayed true to their word on the first day of free agency, agreeing to re-sign restricted free agent Rui Hachimura (three years, $51 million) while adding guard Gabe Vincent (three years, $33 million), forward Taurean Prince (one year, $4.5 million) and wing Cam Reddish (two-year veteran’s minimum, player option on the second year), team sources confirmed to The Athletic.
The Lakers will use the non-taxpayer midlevel exception on Vincent and the biannual exception on Prince, meaning they will be hard-capped at the first luxury-tax apron of $172 million. That restriction won’t prevent them from bringing back restricted free agent Austin Reaves or unrestricted free agent D’Angelo Russell, according to multiple team sources not authorized to speak publicly. Reaves remains priority No. 1 for the Lakers, and the Lakers are still interested in re-signing Russell despite signing Vincent, another shoot-first combo guard, those sources said.
Reaves’ first-year salary is capped at $12.4 million due to the “Gilbert Arenas provision” of the CBA, regardless of whether he agrees to re-sign with the Lakers for the maximum they can offer (about four years, $52 million) or if they match a backloaded offer sheet from another team (around four years, $102 million at most).
Realistically, the most the Lakers will be able to offer Russell on a first-year salary is around $20 million to $22 million, depending on the types of minimum contracts they use to fill out their roster. (Minimum contracts carry different values depending on a player’s years of service). Beyond Reaves and Russell, the Lakers have either two or three veteran’s minimum roster slots available — expect two because they will likely carry 14 official roster players into the 2023-24 season. (The Lakers can technically retain either Malik Beasley or Lonnie Walker IV over the veteran’s minimum using Bird rights, but it depends on the first-year salary for Russell.)
After declining to pick up Beasley’s $16.5 million team option and waiving the non-guaranteed salaries of Mo Bamba ($10.3 million) and Shaquille Harrison ($2.4 million), the Lakers opened up their non-taxpayer midlevel exception to use on a starter-level rotation upgrade. They found one in Vincent, who becomes their primary offseason addition. The 27-year-old sharpshooting guard is regarded as a tough defender who seamlessly fit with Miami’s hard-nosed, selfless culture.
Vincent, a four-year veteran, was relatively pedestrian in the regular season, posting averages of 9.4 points, 2.1 rebounds, 2.5 assists and 0.9 steals in 25.9 minutes per game. He shot just 40.2 percent from the field, 33.4 percent from 3 and 87.2 percent from the free-throw line during that span. But his numbers rose significantly during the playoffs, as he averaged 12.7 points per game on on 40.2/37.8/88.2 shooting splits in 30.5 minutes per game with Tyler Herro out with a hand injury. The most notable jump was beyond the arc, where Vincent went from a below-average shooter to an above-average one.
Unlike Russell, Vincent is a proven playoff contributor. He was arguably the Heat’s third-best player for much of their magical Finals run as a No. 8 seed, notching five 20-point games, including at least one in each round. He should bolster Los Angeles’ shooting, ballhandling and point-of-attack defense when it matters most.
Assuming the Lakers retain Reaves and Russell, Vincent projects to come off the bench as the team’s third guard. He could easily start next to Reaves if the Lakers don’t agree to terms with Russell, or if he outplays Russell in training camp and the Lakers decide to move Russell to the bench. Reaves should be a locked-in starter, assuming he returns.
Essentially, Vincent replaces Dennis Schröder, who signed a two-year, $26 million deal with the Toronto Raptors shortly after the Lakers signed Vincent. Considering the players available in a similar price range, including Schröder, Vincent is a solid value for the Lakers. If he ends up coming off the bench, he’d be the best bench guard the Lakers have had in years.
The Lakers considered bringing Schröder back but ultimately viewed Vincent as the better player and value, according to team sources. Lakers head coach Darvin Ham was one of the internal voices strongly in favor of retaining Schroder, those sources said.
In the days leading into free agency, the Lakers were confident they would land former Nuggets wing Bruce Brown with a multiyear non-taxpayer midlevel exception contract, multiple league sources told The Athletic. But that changed Friday morning when the Indiana Pacers cleared additional cap space and became the favorites to land Brown. Brown ended up agreeing to a two-year, $45 million deal with Indiana, nearly double the annual value the Lakers could offer him.
Meanwhile, Hachimura’s deal was largely in line with his market value, which The Athletic reported was roughly $15 million to $18 million. The 25-year-old forward ended up making on the higher end of that range, with the Lakers valuing the certainty of locking him up and not letting another team try to raise the price.
Like Vincent, Hachimura was a playoff riser in free agency, bumping his scoring (9.6 to 12.2), field-goal percentage (48.5 to 55.7) and 3-point percentage (29.6 to 48.7). Hachimura’s 3-point shooting in future seasons will go a long way in determining the value of his contract. Fortunately for the Lakers, he’s an ideal fit next to LeBron James and Anthony Davis and was the team’s fourth-best player for much of their deep postseason run.
As of now, Hachimura is the only free agent the Lakers have retained. He entered the offseason as the Lakers’ second priority after Reaves and is a key member of the group that Lakers vice president of basketball operations and general manager Rob Pelinka referred to when he stated the team intends to “keep our core of young guys together” this offseason.
After being waived by the Minnesota Timberwolves earlier this week before his $7.7 million salary for this 2023-24 season was guaranteed, Prince will arrive in Los Angeles as the type of 3-and-D wing the Lakers have long coveted. He’s a career 37.2 percent 3-point shooter on 4.4 attempts per game, and he made 38.1 percent of his 3s last season. He’ll likely come off the bench, backing up James and Hachimura as a floor-spacer in catch-and-shoot, kick-out and pick-and-pop situations. Prince is tough and rates out as an above-average defender in most advanced metrics.
Reddish is a name that had been picking up buzz over the previous couple of days. The front office has had an affinity for him, and he has obvious ties to the organization given he’s represented by Klutch Sports, run by James’ childhood friend Rich Paul. The 6-foot-8 Reddish averaged 11.0 points on a 56.1 true shooting percentage in 20 games with Portland last season after being traded from the New York Knicks. He’s not much of a 3-point shooter (32.2 percent for his career) and tends to gamble for steals and lose focus defensively. At just 23 (he’ll turn 24 before the season), the former No. 10 overall pick is the type of swing on untapped potential that has paid off for the Lakers in recent seasons with Malik Monk, Lonnie Walker IV and, to a lesser extent, Stanley Johnson. Reddish has shown flashes throughout his career, but he’s yet to consistently make an impact in a winning context.
Re-signing Hachimura was a formality, as is re-signing or matching on Reaves. But the real question with the Lakers’ offseason was what they would do with their exceptions. They effectively replaced Schröder and Troy Brown Jr., who agreed to sign in Minnesota, with Vincent and Prince, which is an upgrade for Los Angeles. (Beasley, Bamba and Walker remain unsigned as of Friday night.) They added two above-average shooters while maintaining the defensive acumen that made them so dominant at times during the second half of last season. They also took a low-risk flier on Reddish that could pay off.
Russell is the other question mark. There doesn’t appear to be much leaguewide interest in signing him; if so, the Lakers hold most of the leverage in negotiations and have the power to squeeze millions out of a potential deal.
While Friday’s moves were an undeniable success that bolstered the roster of a team that was four wins away from the NBA Finals, the Lakers still have some holes on their roster. Their shooting is improved, but it would be a stretch to say it’s a strength of the roster. They are heavily betting on Vincent and Hachimura carrying over their postseason shooting numbers. If both return to closer to their 2023-24 regular season percentages, Los Angeles won’t have enough spacing around James, Davis and Reaves.
Additionally, while the Lakers’ perimeter defense is better with Vincent and Prince onboard, there are legitimate questions about how they will match up against teams with multiple big scoring wings, like Boston and the Clippers). Jarred Vanderbilt, an obvious choice to guard players like Jayson Tatum and Kawhi Leonard, may be played off the floor in those matchups, as he was at times during the playoffs.
Finally, LA still has a giant hole in the middle behind Anthony Davis. At this point, they only have one center (Davis) on the roster. Hachimura and James are capable of sliding up to center, but that’s only in certain situations. As the Lakers look to fill their final two roster spots beyond Reaves and (possibly) Russell, the best approach would be inking two veteran’s minimum bigs as necessary depth and injury insurance. Bamba has interest in staying with the Lakers and could be an option, according to a league source.
As for future moves, Reaves and Russell obviously remain on the market. Reaves is surveying the landscape and taking his time before re-signing with the Lakers, but his options are fading. The Lakers’ messaging that they were going to match any offer presented to Reaves appears to be working in their favor.
The Lakers’ work is far from over, but they’ve built upon last season’s identity and appear better positioned to repeat last season’s success than they did less than 24 hours ago.
-Reaves is priority #1
-Still interest in bringing back D'Lo
-Ham wanted Schroder back
-Bamba is interested in returning
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If Lakers don’t bring back DLo or don’t sign and trade him for a guard (AR is a lock to be back) Would be a long season. Got upgrades in Gabe over Dennis and Prince over Beasley. But it is marginal, and leaves a big hole elsewhere if they don’t run it back with DLo/AR. Or try to find another guard for AR.
Outside of Phoenix (even then meh about them just due to how much those top 4 will need to drag them all season), every team has gotten worse in the top 12 in the West)
Outside of Phoenix (even then meh about them just due to how much those top 4 will need to drag them all season), every team has gotten worse in the top 12 in the West)
