Most Overrated "Legend" In Music.

I'm sorry, but a list of your musical heroes as long as your arm disagree with you.


A list of people who say Elvis was trash...

AKALONGSTROKE
GatorBeltsNPattieMelts


Now let's compare with a list of people who say Elvis was one of the most talented individuals they ever met and/or influenced/inspired them...

James Brown
Little Richard
Jackie Wilson
Sammy Davies JR
Muhammad Ali
Prince
Michael Jackson 
The Beatles
Elton John
Bob Dylan
Al Green
Carl Perkins
B. B. King
Ivory Joe Hunter
Fats Domino
The Rolling Stones
Buddy Holly
Jerry Lee Lewis
Bruce Springsteen

I mean I respect your opinion and all but....

uhh you think these people are just gonna come out and say "elvis is this and elvis is that" just talking bad about Elvis?

its a image thing to be politically correct

Beyonce probably cant stand a lot of stuff or people but when they ask her about it in a interview you can bet she gonna put on that fake smile and act like she loves it

Man I bet money James Brown and his band was probably like "mannnnnn look at this fool" then when the cameras rolling Mr. Brown how you feel about Elvis "Elvis is a legend and so on......"

This happens in the industry a lot

So because he stole his style, dude didnt make great music and wasnt talented? As much as he stole, he actually had to go on the stage and perform it ya know? Otherwise nobody would have gave Hov a chance because he tried to emulate Big Daddy Kane, or KRIT who is out here (making GREAT music) emulating UGK and Kast.

I'm black btw
 
Paul Simon. I always felt he was lousy.

Maybe you dont like his voice, or acoustic style, but if you listen to the music him and art garfunkel made together as well as his solo stuff you would see hes one of the greatest song writers of all time. Behind a short list of prob mcartney/lennon (both as a team and individually , jagger/richards, neil young, maybe bruce maybe van morrison and of course bob dylan. Paul simon is the man and is as New York as you can get. Plus the call me Al video might be the best music video ever (sabotage is pretty awesome)
 
I'm pretty much a hip hop head, with some 90's alt rock mixed in, but recently I've head some Pink Floyd and Beatles that really struck me as dope. Somebody point me in the right direction!

the beatles are obviously awesome, but if you want to listen to some real music, floyd is about as good as it gets
 
"You like to twist words, don't you? I said that James retook command of the stage. This was later in his career, when James Brown wasn't the wild dude he used to be."
Anyway, I'll leave the last word to the King as it also mirrors what I personally feel.

It might not be his lyrics but it is certainly 100% his own emotions...

 
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I'm sorry, but a list of your musical heroes as long as your arm disagree with you.


A list of people who say Elvis was trash...

AKALONGSTROKE
GatorBeltsNPattieMelts


Now let's compare with a list of people who say Elvis was one of the most talented individuals they ever met and/or influenced/inspired them...

James Brown
Little Richard
Jackie Wilson
Sammy Davies JR
Muhammad Ali
Prince
Michael Jackson 
The Beatles
Elton John
Bob Dylan
Al Green
Carl Perkins
B. B. King
Ivory Joe Hunter
Fats Domino
The Rolling Stones
Buddy Holly
Jerry Lee Lewis
Bruce Springsteen

I mean I respect your opinion and all but....

uhh you think these people are just gonna come out and say "elvis is this and elvis is that" just talking bad about Elvis?

its a image thing to be politically correct

Beyonce probably cant stand a lot of stuff or people but when they ask her about it in a interview you can bet she gonna put on that fake smile and act like she loves it

Man I bet money James Brown and his band was probably like "mannnnnn look at this fool" then when the cameras rolling Mr. Brown how you feel about Elvis "Elvis is a legend and so on......"

This happens in the industry a lot

So because he stole his style, dude didnt make great music and wasnt talented? As much as he stole, he actually had to go on the stage and perform it ya know? Otherwise nobody would have gave Hov a chance because he tried to emulate Big Daddy Kane, or KRIT who is out here (making GREAT music) emulating UGK and Kast.

I'm black btw
 
Maybe you dont like his voice, or acoustic style, but if you listen to the music him and art garfunkel made together as well as his solo stuff you would see hes one of the greatest song writers of all time. Behind a short list of prob mcartney/lennon (both as a team and individually , jagger/richards, neil young, maybe bruce maybe van morrison and of course bob dylan. Paul simon is the man and is as New York as you can get. Plus the call me Al video might be the best music video ever (sabotage is pretty awesome)

I'll do that. I remember my old man playing the Graceland tape on a family vacation... nonstop. I'm just now able to listen to You Can Call Me Al and it's been like what, close to 20 years?

Chevy Chase schooled the video, too.
 
AKA we arent going to change each others opinions so I think we both have said what had to be said.

I think Elvis is great and is a legend. You think he's overrated and his skin only got him to the spotlight.

But we all know there's Elvis then there's everyone else. :p lol

I respect your opinion and you are entitled to it Sir. :)

And as far as Paul Simon goes. No way he's overrated. What he did with Garfunkel alone was legendary. Then his solo work isnt bad either. The poster above me mentioned the Graceland album. It was a GREAT album. And yeah my favorite track is "You Can Call Me Al". Catchy song.
 
Hey AKA you win man. Youre the smartest guy on niketalk. James Brown is Jesus. Elvis blows. Congrats man.
 
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Curious as to NT's thought's on the subject.

IMHO, Bob Marley is up there for me.

I just hate the people who smoke and have Bob Marley posters or swear they love Marley but only know "I Shot the Sheriff".
 
Putting all of the race issues and irrelevant celebrity opinions of Elvis aside, you can never deny the fact that he was an incredibly talented individual.

You're a fool if you try.
 
Putting all of the race issues and irrelevant celebrity opinions of Elvis aside, you can never deny the fact that he was an incredibly talented individual.
You're a fool if you try.

Sorry fam. The scholar/genius that is AKA already told us the indisputable fact that the sole reason Elvis is a legend is "only because he was a white guy singing Black music, and nothing more". That's it. Dont argue, it's the word of God...errr ummm AKA. He also knows how James Brown feels about Elvis (forget the fact that a video of James speaking very positively about Elvis was posted) and why he attended Elvis's funeral among other things. I, for one, am just happy and thankful to have such a deity like AKA here to educate us idiots about Elvis amongst other subjects. Long live the king (AKA not Elvis).
 
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Sorry fam. The scholar/genius that is AKA already told us the indisputable fact that the sole reason Elvis is a legend is "only because he was a white guy singing Black music, and nothing more". That's it. Dont argue, it's the word of God...errr ummm AKA. He also knows how James Brown feels about Elvis (forget the fact that a video of James speaking very positively about Elvis was posted) and why he attended Elvis's funeral among other things. I, for one, am just happy and thankful to have such a deity like AKA here to educate us idiots about Elvis amongst other subjects. Long live the king (AKA not Elvis).


.... you kinda are misconstruing his point.



I'm not going to go on about other artists' views on Elvis and what not but in terms of "talent" ? I'm sorry, I just don't hear it . His singing voice seemed more gimmicy that genuine, his dancing... others could dance just as well as he could if not better. And his guitar playing skills were average at best.
 
Elvis's talent was imitating things and people that he admired.

If that's the only talent he had that made him a megastar, then what he achieved is even more unbelievable and impressive. I wish I could imitate things I admire and become one of the most famous/imitated/admired people ever.
 
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I mean if this has really become "let's ridicule famous people" we can do that too.



Hysterical! His musical contributions are now meaningless!
 
I'm not saying that Elvis influenced more people than James Brown. That would be just silly.

But to also disregard any sort of talent he may have had just because he was heavily influenced by other musicians is also silly. If you can find me an artist who's sole influence is themselves, I'll be astounded.

I'll use your logic on a smaller scale for a second.

Here's a video of James covering "Your Cheatin' Heart" which is a song that was written by Hank Williams. Since this was essentially James Brown borrowing from Hank Williams, does this song have no merit?



Let me add that I'm not even an Elvis fan.
 
Yes but the lyrics were taken directly from Hank Williams.

If you're going to fault Elvis for not being 100% original, shouldn't James Brown be faulted just the same?

Again, I'm simply playing devil's advocate...the only Elvis album I own is his Christmas album.
 
I didn't really want to get into the racial aspect of this because I don't see it as pertinent when discussing the musical talent of an individual (though I do agree with you about Elvis' skin being advantageous to his career)

I'll just leave this on a positive note.
 
Gator: Elvis' voice was not a gimmick. The dude could hit notes that most people could not. Look at some of the videos I posted of him singing. He could sing at a ridiculous range and he could sing ANY genre.


"Elvis Presley has been described variously as a baritone and a tenor. An extraordinary compass- the so-called register-, and a very wide range of vocal color have something to do with this divergence of opinion. The voice covers two octaves and a third, from the baritone low-G to the tenor high B, with an upward extension in falsetto to at least a D flat. Presley's best octave is in the middle, D-flat to D-flat, granting an extra full step up or down. Call him a high baritone. In "It's'now or never", (1960), he ends it in a full voice cadence (A, G, F), that has nothing to do with the vocal devices of Rhythm and Blues and Country. That A-note is hit right on the nose, and it is rendered less astonishing only by the number of tracks where he lands easy and accurate B-flats. Moreover, he has not been confined to one type of vocal production. In ballads and country songs he belts out full-voiced high G's and A's that an opera baritone might envy. He is a naturally assimilative stylist with a multiplicity of voices - in fact, Elvis' is an extraordinary voice, or many voices"
- Henry Pleasants, in his book "The Great American Popular Singers" (1974)

"I suppose you'd had to call him a lyric baritone, although with exceptional high notes and unexpectedly rich low ones. But what is more important about Elvis Presley is not his vocal range, nor how high, or low it extends, but where its center of gravity is. By that measure, Elvis was all at once a tenor, a baritone and a bass, the most unusual voice I've ever heard"
- Gregory Sandows, Music Professor at Columbia University



"He had an incredible, attractive instrument that worked in many registers; he could falsetto like Little Richard, his equipment was outstanding, his ear uncanny, and his sense of timing second to none; (in short) he could sing..."
- Jerry Leiber

That's just a few (of the many) quotes I pulled up on Elvis' voice. I mean all of these people cannot be wrong.

There's no way in hell Elvis would have stayed as popular as he did for all that time if he had no talent.

As I said before of course Elvis being white helped him out but you can't deny he opened the doors for EVERYONE. The new generation found rock n roll to be the greatest thing since sliced bread. And Elvis simply said hey theres nothing wrong with it. He opened the flood gates and every artist of any color now had the chance to show their stuff.
 
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And as far as him doing karate on stage. After the Aloha special in 73 Elvis' career went in a tailspin. The drugs got out of hand and he lost his looks (got fat), lost his desire to go on stage, he was unhappy with his life because Priscilla divorced him, he just did the shows because he was forced to and he needed the money. It was a shame what happened to him after Aloha from Hawaii. But when he did sing, he showed he didnt lose the voice.
 
Let me ask you this, who opened the door for Elvis?
You see, when you make this argument, making Elvis out to be this saviour, who and what saved him?
What would he had done, if there were nothing to imitate?

The way Elvis sang, which was with soul, was of course back then the way black singers sang. Elvis saw these performers as a young kid and said hey I want to do that too. I'm just about certain Elvis never thought hey I'm gonna be the first white guy to sing like this, so I'm going to hit it big. He thought he was just another entertainer trying to get a record deal so he could get him, his Mama and Pops out of the projects they were living in.

What would he have done if there were no others to imitate? Who knows?

I still say his talent was immense and you (meaning people in general) cant take that away from him.

Don't you think him opening the doors for everyone was a great thing? I mean if you're upset because a white guy got popular off of singing in a black style, I guess you dont like Eminem either?

I dont like Eminem btw. Im not a rap fan. lol
 
A positive note for fans of Elvis I'm sure.
You didn't want to get into a discussion about the racial aspect of Elvis's supposed talent, but you've also proven that you are not able to intelligently discuss the musical shortcomings of an individual who simply imitates others, by not knowing the differences between an innovator, then imitator.
Get back at me when you understand the importance of authenticity.

I'm certainly intelligent enough to know when a sanctimonious fool is trying to bait me into an argument by using a personal attack.

You get back at me when you can be civil in a discussion and not throw a tantrum when someone disagrees.
 
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