New Season Thread Made, Move on Over :)

[darthska]

[quote name="thachosen123"]
That's not necessarily true......by saying that you're comparing the small market magic and unproven nets to the big market/history ridden Laker franchise. No way in hell the Lakers would have themselves in this type of situation[/quote]No, I get that our organization is obviously much more professional than ORL, but Dwight in ORL will still be Dwight in LAL (or BKLYN).

 

[mr j 858]

CJ Miles is an ok player. He's honestly just a less flashier version of Shannon Brown.

But NT'ers on here expecting him to give us 10 PPG off the bench on a consistent basis

Sorry but it's just not happening. At most I say 6 points a games and like 3 boards.

I remember dude just being such a streaky 3 point & outside shooter.Heck some of his biggest games came against the Lakers @ Utah.

 

[essential1]

CJ Miles is an ok player. He's honestly just a less flashier version of Shannon Brown.
But NT'ers on here expecting him to give us 10 PPG off the bench on a consistent basis
Sorry but it's just not happening. At most I say 6 points a games and like 3 boards.
I remember dude just being such a streaky 3 point & outside shooter.Heck some of his biggest games came against the Lakers @ Utah.

Hyperbole..

Last 4 years: 9.1, 9,8, 12.8, 9.1 He can't score 10 on a consistent basis if he gets 24 minutes a game?

 

[thegoldenchild]

What part of this whole Dwight saga is attractive to you guys?
Do you honestly think that this will NOT happen to the next team he goes to?
It will. This WILL BE the Nets... or us.
And at what cost? He took them to ONE Finals.

he might have taken the magic to only one finals, but you remember who was the second best player on that team? i can't... maybe hedo.. but other than that, the magic wasnt that good, yet they still made it to the finals.

 

[essential1]

I wonder if Meeks is still available at the $915,852 vet minimum for a 4 year player. Bucks & Wizards are both in the run for him..

We could try to get CJ Miles for $3mil S&T.....Or sign him to the mini-MLE..

Save the Mini-MLE. Use it to sign a marginal player to a much larger contract for 1 year and trade him in a possible deal for the Magic. Or just not use it at all.


Blake
Meeks
Miles
Jamison
Hill
__________

 

[frenchblue23]

Can someone tell me this dude's upside? His stats look :x

He reminds me of Trevor Ariza so much, but a lefty with better outside range. I think he'll have the same role, with huge upside coming off the bench.

I like the potential signing.

 

[pmatic]

@ESPNSteinLine Game of the day now: Brazil v Russia. Hearing out of Brazil camp that they believe Lakers have interest in free-agent Leandro Barbosa

@ESPNSteinLine Question is how much Lakers, w/only 13 contracts but WELL into tax territory, have to spend. Brazil also worried Barbosa might be pressing

Barbosa was pretty awful last season.

 

[senorroboto2k5]

Barbosa would be reunited with Steve Nash...

 

[mjgreatxii]

I'd love the barbosa signing if it happened.
But I'd rather the lakers try to work something out with the sixers doing a sign and trade for Meeks
And use the mmle for miles

We need to get rid of Steve Blake :x

 

[frenchblue23]

Seriously, if they can get a team to absorb Steve Blake and his contract, please do so.

 

[mrdieselfuel09]

I was watching game 7 against the Nuggets from last seasons playoffs and I'm not going to lie, Blake showed up to that game.

Dude was perfect on hitting 3's

 

[mjgreatxii]

Here's a pipe dream
Bear with me:
Sign miles outright with mmle
Sign and trade goudleock and a pick from the 2035 draft since that pro our next one (jk just our next one) for Meeks
Salary dump Blake for a second round pick or even just a trade exception
Sign barbosa

Bench:
Barbosa
Meeks
Miles
Jamison
Hill

Amazing.

But a pipe dream.

 

[essential1]

Here's a pipe dream
Bear with me:
Sign miles outright with mmle
Sign and trade goudleock and a pick from the 2035 draft since that pro our next one (jk just our next one) for Meeks
Salary dump Blake for a second round pick or even just a trade exception
Sign barbosa
Bench:
Barbosa
Meeks
Miles
Jamison
Hill
Amazing.
But a pipe dream.

Once we use Mini-MLE.. All we have left is Veteran's minimum.. Unless we drop our salary 20-30 million less.. We can't get Barbosa, Meeks & Miles without 2 of them being trades.

 

[mjgreatxii]

I think we may end up with t least one of em though.

Like I had said I knew it wasn't possible.

 

[essential1]

Barbosa + Miles would round out the bench greatly... However that would occur.. But is damn near impossible.. It's better than Meeks + Miles (which is most likely).. Or Barbosa + Meeks which is redundant.

I still think Houston is pulling back on Dwight honestly.... And are only in the market for him if it costs them next to nothing.. They won't give up all their picks and flexibility for Dwight on a 1 year rental..

 

[senorroboto2k5]

Out of the 3 wings, the Lakers will probably only get one. A S&T deal seems less likely at this point but I could be wrong.

Any one is fine. Ebanks should get more PT then.

 

[pmatic]

Some thoughts on the law firm of Meeks & Miles

As the Lakers continue to fill out the roster, 76ers guard Jodie Meeks and Jazz swingman C.J. Miles have recently popped up as free agents on the radar. The Salt Lake Tribune's Brian T. Smith has reported Miles is strongly considering the Lakers, and the Meeks news comes straight from the player himself. While it certainly would be fantastic if both could enter the fold as reserves, that feels like a long shot, given the franchise's shallow pool of financial resources. Thus, if both are in the mix, a choice eventually feels necessary. So who would make the most sense?

For more perspective on Meeks, I called upon Carey Smith of the True Hoop network's Philadunkia blog. Here is Smith's scouting report on Meeks:
"When he's "on," Meeks owns a lethal jumper that can be a game changer. He plays solid and ever-improving defense, can find the open man with the extra pass and he's a great locker room guy. So he has a number of valuable basketball skills, and as long as Meeks is used correctly, he can be a positive contributor for an NBA roster. He's at his best as a role player coming off the bench for eight to 10 minutes a game and hitting one or two open jumpers.

Unfortunately, he was not used this way until literally his final days in Philly during the 2012 playoffs. Instead, Doug Collins stubbornly penciled his name in with the first five 114 times over the last two seasons. Thus the two-guard position was the Sixers' most glaring weakness from 2010-2012. His jumper is wildly inconsistent and he cannot create a shot for himself off the dribble. In my opinion, those are not items a team or a fan wants to hear about your starting shooting guard. I don't care what the advance stats prove about Meeks (apparently they say he is an efficient NBA player, given his salary) or how Collins tries to spin his decision. Meeks is not a starting two guard in this League. PERIOD. Watch him play for a mere five games and any knowledgeable hoop head will come to that same conclusion."

Well, first things first. While perhaps frustrating for Sixers fans over the last pair of seasons, that Meeks isn't a credible starting two guard is irrelevant for these purposes. He ain't beating out Kobe Bryant for the gig, and were the Mamba to miss a significant chunk of time, the season would shift so radically his replacement is arguably trivial. What matters is Meeks' qualifications as a reserve, and there's no reason to think he can't handle those responsibilities.


In the meantime, Meeks provides a skill set desperately needed: outside shooting. Since 2010, he's drained (at worst) 36.5 percent of attempts from downtown and (at best) nearly 40 percent. His prowess doesn't quite qualify as "automatic," but he's a legitimate threat who can keep defenses honest. You may have noticed the Lakers are painfully short low on such players. Defensively, Meeks isn't incredible, but as Smith notes, he's improving, and a gander at his Synergy numbers hints at results better than his reputation. (In a nutshell, for those without a Synergy subscription, Meeks is pretty successful defending against pick-and-roll, off screens and jump shooters, not so much in isolation.)

Plus, landing Meeks for a million-ish bucks feels doable. He's never earned a seven-figure salary, so this actually constitutes a raise, rather than a pay cut the organization requests from most folks. He might fetch a little more dough elsewhere, but a Brinks truck won't be required no matter where Meeks signs. If you can't command top or even medium dollar, there are worse ways to break the tie than joining the Lakers.

As for Miles, he's basically Bizarro-Jodie Meeks, particularly as a shooter. On a career, the small forward is just under 33 percent from the 3-point line. Varying degrees of success have been enjoyed between 10 and 23 feet out, but Miles has generally flourished most at the rim. Granted, the Lakers aren't steeped in wings who finish well, so this is hardly a pure negative, but it nonetheless bears mentioning. And Miles may boast the better defensive rep, but his defensive numbers from Synergy or 82games.com don't actually grade out notably better than Meeks'. (Miles remains the mirror image of Meeks: Excellent in isolation, less successful in most other situations.)

Still, the southpaw is bigger, more athletic and certainly more seasoned, which is also why I'm not sure the money will line up to the Lakers' liking. Smith's report states Miles may receive the entire mini mid-level exception, which the Lakers are unlikely to use. Obviously, free agency is nothing if not fluid. I wasn't convinced the Lamar Odom trade exception would ever be cashed in, much less on Steve Nash, who once expressed reticence at the notion of becoming a Laker. Things can change on a dime. But with the payroll already high and the luxury tax essentially doubling a $3-million salary, I'd personally be surprised if the Lakers deemed Miles worthy of the whole enchilada.

All in all, Meeks strikes me as the more realistic option, and arguably the player who addresses more pressing needs. However, were either given a Lakers uni, he'd represent another solid addition during a very productive offseason.

Link

 

[essential1]

If he is best at an 8-10 minute contribution... It's best to just save him as a vet minimum deal if possible, and go after Miles instead who can eat 24 minutes

That article made me sour on Meeks, simply based off that his contribution is 8-10minutes and make 1-2 shots.. That can be done by a wide range of people..

Go after Barbosa or Miles... Or both and figure out how to work one into a S&T..

 

[senorroboto2k5]

I think I'd like Meeks more... Ebanks can fill that role of a defensive contributor. The last bench player who could get hot and go on a scoring streak was Shannon Brown, and he wasn't that great at it.

 

[noblekane]

i wanted barbosa last year. better late than never. you can say he was trash last year but dude still got that speed to the hoop...

 

[pmatic]

C.J. Miles

He signed with the Cavs today.

 

[westcoastsfinest]

Is the Nash trade the end all be all move for us? Oh wait we picked up another over the hill player in Jamison.

 

[thegoldenchild]

Is the Nash trade the end all be all move for us? Oh wait we picked up another over the hill player in Jamison.

dude you have no idea what you are talking about.. it just makes you look like an ***, if you open your mouth.. for an "over the hill" player, he still avg. 17.2 ppg, on a team where he is not even the focal point.

 

[senorroboto2k5]

Sam Amico ‏@SamAmicoFSO
Signing of C.J. Miles may or may not mean the end of Alonzo Gee with Cavs. http://tinyurl.com/bwn4oro

If Gee is really out there on the market, sign me up!

He's better than all the wings we've been interested in. At this point in the summer he might only be able to get the mini-midlevel - why not with LA?

 

[pmatic]

I really doubt the Lakers are using the mini-MLE at this point.