NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

[jpzx]

6-10 sounds right to me.

 

[fraij da 5 11]

It makes me a little upset that Vikings are contenders for worst in the North... Those NFCN Trash Talk threads just aren't the same with the Lions succeeding.

And the bears fans are just too sensitive.

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

*Ducks*

 

[Kimchi Papi]

Everytime I think about the Bears, I think of Bas Rutten telling the story of Urlacher wanting to fight him at a charity function. Urlacher is such a dbag...Bas would've caved in the side of the fat head...

 

[fraij da 5 11]

Everytime I think about the Bears, I think of Bas Rutten telling the story of Urlacher wanting to fight him at a charity function. Urlacher is such a dbag...Bas would've caved in the side of the fat head...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/26/football-star-urlacher-pa_n_146668.html


Football Star Urlacher Paints Son's Toes, Puts Him In Pink Diapers: Mother


First Posted: 11-26-08 12:01 PM | Updated: 12-27-08 05:12 AM
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Football tough guy Brian Urlacher dresses his son in pink Cinderella diapers and paints the 3-year-old's toenails blue, the child's mother charged in Will County court Tuesday.

The mother, Tyna Robertson, threatened to block Urlacher from seeing the boy if the beefy linebacker kept up the alleged effeminate antics.

Robertson was in court on an emergency motion brought by Urlacher's attorney, Anita Ventrelli. While Robertson was there, her own lawyer, Alice Wilson, petitioned to have the case moved to Cook County.

Wilson had argued that since Urlacher lives in Lake County and Robertson recently moved from Bolingbrook to Burr Ridge, there is no point in keeping the case in Will County. Robertson also figures she could get a better shake in Cook, and took a shot at the judge handling her case in Will County.

 

[651akathepaul]

Frickin' weirdo.

 

[TipsyMcStagga]

6-10 sounds right to me.

I'm guessing 7-9 myself. I remember reading that we're actually rebuilding for the 2013-14 season which I don't agree with. Sucks for us Viking fans who have to sit through a whole season of mediocrity

Truthfully I think if we somehow got a receiver to stretch the field then we'd be a tougher opponent than most people think. Solid D-line and LB core is there. Hoping this new secondary turns out well cause that was our major weakness last season. Got AP of course, TE's, improved O-line, and Ponder's looking good. Hopefully Leslie has developed his HC abilities more though...

 

[sportsjunkie]

I'm guessing 7-9 myself. I remember reading that we're actually rebuilding for the 2013-14 season which I don't agree with. Sucks for us Viking fans who have to sit through a whole season of mediocrity
Truthfully I think if we somehow got a receiver to stretch the field then we'd be a tougher opponent than most people think. Solid D-line and LB core is there. Hoping this new secondary turns out well cause that was our major weakness last season. Got AP of course, TE's, improved O-line, and Ponder's looking good. Hopefully Leslie has developed his HC abilities more though...

I am thinking 7-9 season also. I dont see us being worst than we us last season. This team is young and fast with a few high football IQ. Harrison Smith, Toby Gerhart, Ponder, Kalil, and Rudolph. Everson Griffen gonna be a sleeper at the Linebacker position. I wont be surprise if we upset a few playoff caliber teams this season.

 

[sportsjunkie]

Speaking of tough teams...The Vikings will not be the worst team in the League. They have a lot of holes but you'll see after Week 1 when they crush Jacksonville that they'll be a tough opponent all year. They still have the best sack master in the game (arguably), the best RB (unarguably when healthy), an improved O-line, and two stud TE's. LB core is solid. Team is fairly solid. Crazy competitive division does them in, but they got that last place scheduling. They WILL NOT be the the worst team. I'm willing to put money on that.

 

[sportsjunkie]

The Vikings might be the worst team in the league this year. Not sure how you could realistically say that you think they'll get 7 wins. The Colts and Rams are the only other ones with a shot at having a worse record....the Jags and Browns defenses are too good for them to suck worse than those teams.

The Vikings will start the season 2-0. Jacksonville havent sign Blackmon and MJD holidng out. Lewis need to get in shape, while Blane gabbert is in the same development stages as ponder. I do give ponder the slight edge. better oline, secondary will be better along with our passing game.jags defense is pretty good but Toby Gerhart downhill running can take its toll on jags defense in 2nd half.

I cant see Blane Gabbert coming to the Meterodome week 1 and beating us. Nope no way.

 

[651akathepaul]

Forgot about the whole Husain Abdullah thing. I really liked him as a player. Hopefully he comes back to the Vikes next year. Good for him though by standing strong on his beliefs and doing what he feels he needs to.

The Vikings put on full pads for the first time in training camp Monday. A few hours north of Mankato, Husain Abdullah, the team's starting free safety last season, sat in a car dealership as his rented minivan got a oil change and other service.

His internal clock can't ignore the fact training camp is underway, and he finds it difficult to shut off the competitive juices that flow with the start of football season.

"One of the best feelings is laying into somebody and knowing you got the best of him," he said, smiling.

Abdullah still loves football and keeps in touch with his former Vikings teammates, but he has chosen to pursue a different calling. He turned down a one-year contract offer from the Vikings this offseason in order to prepare for his Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca, Saudi Arabia. Abdullah plans to make the hajj, the sacred pilgrimage that is one of five pillars of Islam, in October.

Abdullah's spirituality has always been a driving force in his life, but he experienced an emotional tug-of-war as he debated whether to play football or travel to Mecca this fall.

"This was the first time in life I just couldn't decide," he said. "It's like I had no control over the situation but all the control."

Ultimately, his faith took precedence over football. He put his football career on hold -- with no guarantees of resuming it -- and is traveling the country with his two older brothers on a goodwill trip during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. Hamza, an eight-year NFL veteran who played for the Arizona Cardinals the past three seasons, and oldest brother Abbas joined Husain on a coast-to-coast tour of mosques during Ramadan.

Their plan is to visit 30 cities in 30 days, a total of 12,000 miles. They started in Los Angeles, worked their way up the West Coast and made stops in Boise, Salt Lake City, Denver and Omaha.

The brothers drove all night and reached the Twin Cities early Monday morning. They slept a few hours before visiting mosques in Eden Prairie and Bloomington. They take turns driving three-hour shifts.

"I understand why moms love minivans," Husain said. "Those things are awesome. You can load up a bunch of stuff. You get good miles-to-the-gallon. Everybody has leg room."

At each stop, they attend the evening meal when Muslims break their fast. The Abdullahs share their story and message with kids and those who supported them as NFL players. Their motto is, "Want for your brother what you want for yourself."

"You're not being facetious or fake or anything like that," Hamza said. "We just want to be good people."

They grew up in Southern California in a household with 12 children and modest means. Their father is a carpenter and handyman. Money was tight so the siblings shared clothes and always looked out for each other.

"We live in a world where unfortunately it's like, I've got to step over everybody to get to the top, instead of, I'm going to help you and we're going to achieve it together," Husain said. "This is your brother. If you see him doing good, you shouldn't be envious of him or jealous of him. You should be happy for him."

The brothers find enjoyment in helping others and trying to set a positive example. They served dinner at a homeless shelter during their Denver visit.

"It just put everything in perspective," Hamza said. "I miss football and training camp, but when I walked in those doors and saw those faces, it really humbled me. I said this is where I need to be right now."

They admit the reaction hasn't been all positive. Some people think they're crazy to jeopardize their NFL careers. The brothers make an effort to reach out and talk to those people, too.

"For us, this was just a pressing need," Husain said.

Husain and Hamza plan to resume training in Los Angeles in November after returning from Mecca. They will hold a workout for NFL scouts and hope that leads to a contract. If it doesn't and the window has closed, Husain understands that's a possibility, too. He wants to earn his master's degree in educational counseling after football, maybe start a business and learn the Arabic language.

"For me, I came into [the NFL] undrafted so I've already had an exit plan the whole time," he said.

Husain hopes he doesn't need that plan just yet. He overcame long odds just to make the Vikings roster, gradually working his way into the starting lineup. He admits he turned down "a good sum" from the Vikings, but he followed his heart. He hopes football is still an option when he returns.

"I didn't burn bridges," he said. "I have never gone against the grain. I've always done whatever I'm asked to do to the best of my ability."

 

[dacomeup]

Sophomore slump in quotes because that's what the perception will be. I had to explain this about Matt Ryan and others who felt because the QB did really well as a rookie, it was assumed they would have better numbers and more production in their second year. That's not true and doesn't mean they are regressing. It's actually progression in that when a Q is in his second season, more things in the offense are exposed to him. Deeper playbook, more responsibility at the LOS with audibles/check with me's, and more in depth recognition skills for reading defenses, etc.... Add that to the fact that they'll be playing a tougher schedule in a really tough division, I believe Dalton and the Bengals won't have a very good year. Year 3 will be more telling. They'll be a tough team though.

So, are you expecting Cam Newton to have a slump as well?

 

[TipsyMcStagga]

Forgot about the whole Husain Abdullah thing. I really liked him as a player. Hopefully he comes back to the Vikes next year. Good for him though by standing strong on his beliefs and doing what he feels he needs to.

Wow, didn't know that! He'll be missed but good for him!

 

[651akathepaul]

At certain points in the season, yes. Overall I think he'll better off during the season than Andy. He doesn't have to face Baltimore and Pittsburgh type defenses and Cam's style of play and mobility is a whole 'nother dynamic that allows for some leeway in improvising and running an offense. Dalton doesn't have that luxury and relies more on a protypical style (read, recognition, accuracy, etc.) to get things done. For a young QB, it's nice to be able to have Cam's ability when things breakdown.

 

[Kimchi Papi]

Coach Chud did a masterful job with Cam, so I can't see him having a slump but I don't think he will have the same crazy Madden like numbers he did last year (at least I don't think he will). The Panther RBs had a very off year last year so I look for them to come back strong this year. The one thing I do worry about with Cam is that he ran a lot last year so he needs to learn to slide or get rid of the ball. I wouldn't want him to start getting injured all the time like say Vick (hate comparing the two). Aside from Might Mouse (Steve Smith), the WR group needs to step up their game. Hope they worked out this past off season...

 

[mmg]

At certain points in the season, yes. Overall I think he'll better off during the season than Andy. He doesn't have to face Baltimore and Pittsburgh type defenses and Cam's style of play and mobility is a whole 'nother dynamic that allows for some leeway in improvising and running an offense. Dalton doesn't have that luxury and relies more on a protypical style (read, recognition, accuracy, etc.) to get things done. For a young QB, it's nice to be able to have Cam's ability when things breakdown.

Good explanation , I was t sure on how to word it regarding Cam because I didn't want it seem like he counted solely on his athletic ability, but it did help. When it comes to Dalton I don't think well see much of a drop off in terms of production, considering he was a rookie last year facing 2 top 5 defenses and 2 of the nastiest teams around and held his own for the most part, he should have a solid season.

 

[buc em]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/26/football-star-urlacher-pa_n_146668.html
Football Star Urlacher Paints Son's Toes, Puts Him In Pink Diapers: Mother
First Posted: 11-26-08 12:01 PM | Updated: 12-27-08 05:12 AM
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Football tough guy Brian Urlacher dresses his son in pink Cinderella diapers and paints the 3-year-old's toenails blue, the child's mother charged in Will County court Tuesday.
The mother, Tyna Robertson, threatened to block Urlacher from seeing the boy if the beefy linebacker kept up the alleged effeminate antics.
Robertson was in court on an emergency motion brought by Urlacher's attorney, Anita Ventrelli. While Robertson was there, her own lawyer, Alice Wilson, petitioned to have the case moved to Cook County.
Wilson had argued that since Urlacher lives in Lake County and Robertson recently moved from Bolingbrook to Burr Ridge, there is no point in keeping the case in Will County. Robertson also figures she could get a better shake in Cook, and took a shot at the judge handling her case in Will County.

Wow. Why have I never heard this before? Some Buffalo Bill type ****.

 

[Kimchi Papi]

The Vikings will start the season 2-0. Jacksonville havent sign Blackmon and MJD holidng out. Lewis need to get in shape, while Blane gabbert is in the same development stages as ponder. I do give ponder the slight edge. better oline, secondary will be better along with our passing game.jags defense is pretty good but Toby Gerhart downhill running can take its toll on jags defense in 2nd half.
I cant see Blane Gabbert coming to the Meterodome week 1 and beating us. Nope no way.

Ponder is not in the same development stages as gabbert. gabbert is one of the worst pro QBs this side of jamarcus russell, rick mirer, heath schuler, jim drukenmiller, & ryan leaf. In fact, he might be worse than all of them because I've never seen a qb so afraid to take a hit like I have in gabbert.

Mularkey has a lot of work to do. I feel bad for him. He must've wanted to be a HC really bad to leave the Falcons to take that job....

 

[yvespo3]

How do cowboys fans feel about felix jones failing that condition test?

 

[sportsjunkie]

Ponder is not in the same development stages as gabbert. gabbert is one of the worst pro QBs this side of jamarcus russell, rick mirer, heath schuler, jim drukenmiller, & ryan leaf. In fact, he might be worse than all of them because I've never seen a qb so afraid to take a hit like I have in gabbert.
Mularkey has a lot of work to do. I feel bad for him. He must've wanted to be a HC really bad to leave the Falcons to take that job....

Are you over exaggrating bro? i dont think he can be compare yet to those guys. The reason i say same development stages was because of last year no off season, both didnt play much in preseason and they both was thrown into the fire. From your judgement, Ponder is a better QB than Blane right now and making more strides to be a great QB

 

[651akathepaul]

Are you over exaggrating bro? i dont think he can be compare yet to those guys. The reason i say same development stages was because of last year no off season, both didnt play much in preseason and they both was thrown into the fire. From your judgement, Ponder is a better QB than Blane right now and making more strides to be a great QB

He is though. Gabbert is a bum and doesn't belong in the NFL. I'd be real shocked if he makes it the full season as the starter. He has happy feet long before the pressure reaches him. He fades back or jumps on his throws, has no pocket presence, poise, or awareness at this point and didn't show any signs of improvement. Ponder showed a few flashes of all of the above and then some. Just not consistenly enough. He fell victim to what rookie QB's normally fall victim too...Rushing through progression, misreads, and trying to make plays he could in college that don't work in the NFL. Essentially, and you'll hate this but it exists...Ponder has the intangibles, just doesn't know how to put it all together in the NFL yet. Gabbert just sucks.

 

[sportsjunkie]

He is though. Gabbert is a bum and doesn't belong in the NFL. I'd be real shocked if he makes it the full season as the starter. He has happy feet long before the pressure reaches him. He fades back or jumps on his throws, has no pocket presence, poise, or awareness at this point and didn't show any signs of improvement. Ponder showed a few flashes of all of the above and then some. Just not consistenly enough. He fell victim to what rookie QB's normally fall victim too...Rushing through progression, misreads, and trying to make plays he could in college that don't work in the NFL. Essentially, and you'll hate this but it exists...Ponder has the intangibles, just doesn't know how to put it all together in the NFL yet. Gabbert just sucks.

As a vikings fan, i want Ponder to do great. I never really seen Blane really play in the NFL, I just didnt think he was that terrible.

 

[651akathepaul]

My biggest worry with Ponder is consistency. He has the tools, we'll just see if he can put it all together and keep it together.

 

[Peep Game]

How do cowboys fans feel about felix jones failing that condition test?

Probably raised super bowl expectations.

Gabbert was so awful last year . He was terrified like I've never seen any other rookie QB.

 

[651akathepaul]

Probably raised super bowl expectations.

 

[dmxfury]

Agree about Gabbert and him being scared. One thing you can show as a rookie is toughness and he just ran and threw off his back foot. I can't remember him standing tough and taking the hit