Nigeria bans gay marriage, gay meetings -- Does so secretly
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@ICE CITY FC I didn't see your following post, so I'll address it and just chalk it up to you not knowing:He could be Fela Kuti himself, I'd still say his use of regular is loose at best.lol ur doing sarcasm wrong
Not even being funny cause I'm sure you didn't know but Naka is actually Nigerian. I think u missed some of his points, andt he fact that he has first hand experience with "africa"Congratulations, the most ignorant thing posted in this thread.
You deserve an award for trumping the policy itself in the original post!
And yea, know that I know he's Nigerian I'm sure it was said in jest but lumping an entire continent together and saying it's going backwards and that a billion people are cowards is ignorant.
I regress though I didn't know.
Several times within the past year, boarding schools in Northern Nigeria have been attacked by armed terrorists. I'm not using the word "regularly" loosely or in jest.
There were four such attacks in neighboring towns in a four month stretch to close out 2013, alone. FOUR in four months. In the SAME ******g place. How much more regular do you want school attacks to be?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-24329821
FIFTY students were killed in that last one. Fifty. FIVE. OH.
I didn't use that word loosely. They have bigger ******g problems he should be concentrating on.
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The majority of African nations have tried to institute Anti-Homosexuality laws. Nations that span the breadth of the African continent:
Nigeria, Egypt, Uganda, Senegal, Gambia, Kenya... South Africa for decades denied HIV or violence against women existed, let alone were problems that needed to be faed.
Not to mention the human rights violations occurring in North Africa, Sudan, Congo... Human slavery in Mauritania...
Africa as a whole is backwards when it comes to social issues.
Yes it's a condemnation of what I consider ignorant social views in most of the continent's nations. That doesn't exempt Western European countries or the U.S. from the same criticism. America's got a long way to go too.
People get sensitive when you criticize Africa for anything. But then African countries go out and lock people up for no reason, and maybe they deserve some of that criticism?
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@iYen
I was born in Nigeria and been back several times. I don't really know how I'd answer your question... it'd be just as hard for me to answer what I like about New York or California.
I guess I like the weather. I have family and friends there. The food's good. It's my native culture.
I hate the lack of infrastructure, low police presence outside the major cities, abundant government corruption... Religious zealotry... Immense poverty amongst the majority of the country's population even though Nigeria's the 6th largest crude oil producing nation in the world.
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@Rico x Hood
From Merriam Webster's dictionary:
in 2013, the word agenda when used in the context of politics holds a negative connotation and is typically an abbreviation of the phrase "hidden agenda":
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When someone says "gay agenda" they're not talking about a calendar. They don't mean "gay schedule of stuff to get done".
I know you know that... I don't get why you feigned otherwise.
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http://m.washingtonpost.com/politic...6fa58a-7bf4-11e3-9556-4a4bf7bcbd84_story.html
Washington Post article outlining new actions the President is taking to advance his agenda since Congress won't. There is nothing negative or hidden about the President's agenda as described in the article. It is just the correct word used to swedfund what he plans to get done.
Please stop trying to put words in my mouth. If I meant hidden gay agenda, I would have said it.
Washington Post article outlining new actions the President is taking to advance his agenda since Congress won't. There is nothing negative or hidden about the President's agenda as described in the article. It is just the correct word used to swedfund what he plans to get done.
Please stop trying to put words in my mouth. If I meant hidden gay agenda, I would have said it.
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How do people feel to learn that a lot of these countries' anti-gay laws are being drawn up and funded by American Christian Evangelical leaders?
It becomes less of a "stop pushing your liberal Western ideals on them" and "Stop trying to influence their culture and let them think for themselves" argument when you realize all of this stuff is being pushed by American conservative ideas, right?
One such example:
It becomes less of a "stop pushing your liberal Western ideals on them" and "Stop trying to influence their culture and let them think for themselves" argument when you realize all of this stuff is being pushed by American conservative ideas, right?
One such example:
[h1]Americans’ Role Seen in Uganda Anti-Gay Push[/h1]
KAMPALA, Uganda — Last March, three American evangelical Christians, whose teachings about “curing” homosexuals have been widely discredited in the United States, arrived here in Uganda’s capital to give a series of talks.
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Nikki Mawanda, 27, who was born female but lives as a “trans-man” in Uganda, described abuse by the police and others.
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Interactive Feature [h2]Four Ugandans, Four Points of View[/h2]
[h4]Related[/h4][h2]Gay in Uganda, and Feeling Hunted (January 4, 2010)[/h2][h2]Times Topics: Uganda[/h2]
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Demonstrators carried banners denouncing homosexuality in December in Kampala, Uganda.
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Stosh Mugisha is going through a transition to become a man.
The theme of the event, according to Stephen Langa, its Ugandan organizer, was “the gay agenda — that whole hidden and dark agenda” — and the threat homosexuals posed to Bible-based values and the traditional African family.
For three days, according to participants and audio recordings, thousands of Ugandans, including police officers, teachers and national politicians, listened raptly to the Americans, who were presented as experts on homosexuality. The visitors discussed how to make gay people straight, how gay men often sodomized teenage boys and how “the gay movement is an evil institution” whose goal is “to defeat the marriage-based society and replace it with a culture of sexual promiscuity.”
Now the three Americans are finding themselves on the defensive, saying they had no intention of helping stoke the kind of anger that could lead to what came next: a bill to impose a death sentence for homosexual behavior.
One month after the conference, a previously unknown Ugandan politician, who boasts of having evangelical friends in the American government, introduced the Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2009, which threatens to hang homosexuals, and, as a result, has put Uganda on a collision course with Western nations.
Donor countries, including the United States, are demanding that Uganda’s government drop the proposed law, saying it violates human rights, though Uganda’s minister of ethics and integrity (who previously tried to ban miniskirts) recently said, “Homosexuals can forget about human rights.”
The Ugandan government, facing the prospect of losing millions in foreign aid, is now indicating that it will back down, slightly, and change the death penalty provision to life in prison for some homosexuals. But the battle is far from over.
Instead, Uganda seems to have become a far-flung front line in the American culture wars, with American groups on both sides, the Christian right and gay activists, pouring in support and money as they get involved in the broader debate over homosexuality in Africa.
“It’s a fight for their lives,” said Mai Kiang, a director at the Astraea Lesbian Foundation for Justice, a New York-based group that has channeled nearly $75,000 to Ugandan gay rights activists and expects that amount to grow.
The three Americans who spoke at the conference — Scott Lively, a missionary who has written several books against homosexuality, including “7 Steps to Recruit-Proof Your Child”; Caleb Lee Brundidge, a self-described former gay man who leads “healing seminars”; and Don Schmierer, a board member of Exodus International, whose mission is “mobilizing the body of Christ to minister grace and truth to a world impacted by homosexuality” — are now trying to distance themselves from the bill.
“I feel duped,” Mr. Schmierer said, arguing that he had been invited to speak on “parenting skills” for families with gay children. He acknowledged telling audiences how homosexuals could be converted into heterosexuals, but he said he had no idea some Ugandans were contemplating the death penalty for homosexuality.
“That’s horrible, absolutely horrible,” he said. “Some of the nicest people I have ever met are gay people.”
Mr. Lively and Mr. Brundidge have made similar remarks in interviews or statements issued by their organizations. But the Ugandan organizers of the conference admit helping draft the bill, and Mr. Lively has acknowledged meeting with Ugandan lawmakers to discuss it. He even wrote on his blog in March that someone had likened their campaign to “a nuclear bomb against the gay agenda in Uganda.” Later, when confronted with criticism, Mr. Lively said he was very disappointed that the legislation was so harsh.
Human rights advocates in Uganda say the visit by the three Americans helped set in motion what could be a very dangerous cycle. Gay Ugandans already describe a world of beatings, blackmail, death threats like “Die Sodomite!” scrawled on their homes, constant harassment and even so-called correctional rape.
“Now we really have to go undercover,” said Stosh Mugisha, a gay rights activist who said she was pinned down in a guava orchard and raped by a farmhand who wanted to cure her of her attraction to girls. She said that she was impregnated and infected with H.I.V., but that her grandmother’s reaction was simply, “ ‘You are too stubborn.’ ”
Despite such attacks, many gay men and lesbians here said things had been getting better for them before the bill, at least enough to hold news conferences and publicly advocate for their rights. Now they worry that the bill could encourage lynchings. Already, mobs beat people to death for infractions as minor as stealing shoes.
“What these people have done is set the fire they can’t quench,” said the Rev. Kapya Kaoma, a Zambian who went undercover for six months to chronicle the relationship between the African anti-homosexual movement and American evangelicals.
Mr. Kaoma was at the conference and said that the three Americans “underestimated the homophobia in Uganda” and “what it means to Africans when you speak about a certain group trying to destroy their children and their families.”
“When you speak like that,” he said, “Africans will fight to the death.”
Uganda is an exceptionally lush, mostly rural country where conservative Christian groups wield enormous influence. This is, after all, the land of proposed virginity scholarships, songs about Jesus playing in the airport, “Uganda is Blessed” bumper stickers on Parliament office doors and a suggestion by the president’s wife that a virginity census could be a way to fight AIDS.
During the Bush administration, American officials praised Uganda’s family-values policies and steered millions of dollars into abstinence programs.
Uganda has also become a magnet for American evangelical groups. Some of the best known Christian personalities have recently passed through here, often bringing with them anti-homosexuality messages, including the Rev. Rick Warren, who visited in 2008 and has compared homosexuality to pedophilia. (Mr. Warren recently condemned the anti-homosexuality bill, seeking to correct what he called “lies and errors and false reports” that he played a role in it.)
Many Africans view homosexuality as an immoral Western import, and the continent is full of harsh homophobic laws. In northern Nigeria, gay men can face death by stoning. Beyond Africa, a handful of Muslim countries, like Iran and Yemen, also have the death penalty for homosexuals. But many Ugandans said they thought that was going too far. A few even spoke out in support of gay people.
“I can defend them,” said Haj Medih, a Muslim taxi driver with many homosexual customers. “But I fear the what? The police, the government. They can arrest you and put you in the safe house, and for me, I don’t have any lawyer who can help me.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/w...=1&adxnnlx=1389729656-y8CAEgKjyzfA0cRGH2fUrw&
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@Rico x Hood you asked why the word "agenda" had a negative connotation and then asked to be awared.
So I'm awaring you.
In politics when you say a group has an agenda it means just that. Secret agenda. As in trying to push through legislation under the guise of one thing when really the goal is something else self serving. It holds an implied negative connotation and there are plenty of other words you can use in its place. When people choose to use that specific term, they know why they're doing it.
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So true, people fail to see this.
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He's the one that brought the word into debate... People said chill with the "gay agenda" talk and he questioned if people understood its meaning and why when you say things like Gay/Black/etc. agenda it ruffles jimmies. No beasting here.
at people beasting over usage of the word agenda. maybe he just used the wrong word, lets stay on topic.
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No ones blamed white people or "Europeans" yet?
Wow, good for y'all.
Wow, good for y'all.
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Lol. You wrote the same stuff about Russia dummy.
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This I agree with. But I'll wait for the NT doctors who will try to confirm its not preference and that people are "born" this way.
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i dont know much about nigerian culture, but im guessing this has something to do with christian/euro influence
but i could be wrong so correct me if i am
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you're not
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thanks for reporting me......exciting!!
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yea yall are the saints of world history
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lol @ the struggle trolling.
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Who said that?
This has nothing to do with European/Christian influence either, if anything the Islamic culture would be more to blame. Most Islamic countries are just as ruthless when it comes down to persecuting homosexuals. Being gay in Islamic culture is not tolerated, culturally and in some cases the law.
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It does have to do with Euro/Christian influence.Who said that?
This has nothing to do with European/Christian influence either, if anything the Islamic culture would be more to blame. Most Islamic countries are just as ruthless when it comes down to persecuting homosexuals. Being gay in Islamic culture is not tolerated, culturally and in some cases the law.
American Evangelical churches are funding the legislation in most of these countries. I posted an article specifically about the problem it caused in Uganda. I'm guessing you didn't read through the thread.
But you are right about Islamic culture being just as hard on homosexuality.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/w...=1&adxnnlx=1389729656-y8CAEgKjyzfA0cRGH2fUrw&
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There is a gay agenda, but I see it a little differently than Rico. The part about equal rights like marriage, tax benefits etc isn't an agenda to me. Its long overdue. The agenda part is the pushing of "gay" or feminine culture by the media. In other words, an emasculation of the regular dude. Calling it gay culture is probably the wrong choice of words, but its the closest thing I can relate it to. I see it mostly in popular culture, sports (waiting for the next gay athlete to come out), clothing etc
I used to despise gays for years, recently changed my view on the whole thing. I don't like the lifestyle per say, but that doesn't mean I don't think they deserve equality under the law. Hopefully I got my message across without coming off as bigoted.
I'm a Muslim if it matters
I used to despise gays for years, recently changed my view on the whole thing. I don't like the lifestyle per say, but that doesn't mean I don't think they deserve equality under the law. Hopefully I got my message across without coming off as bigoted.
I'm a Muslim if it matters
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The emasculation of the regular dude is more due to feminists IMO
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no doubt.....my comment was more in general and not with thisWho said that?
This has nothing to do with European/Christian influence either, if anything the Islamic culture would be more to blame. Most Islamic countries are just as ruthless when it comes down to persecuting homosexuals. Being gay in Islamic culture is not tolerated, culturally and in some cases the law.
......but Africa has HEAVY european influences in a lot of places and also Islamic.....Nigeria kinda falls under both if I'm not mistaken....correct me if I'm wrongI don't blame whites for this issue though......Africans are extremely homophobic
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pretty sure most Nigerians are Islamic (I could be wrong)
Serious question though, how do people even know when someone is gay? Thats the only thing I don't understand, I could just not be thinking deep enough because I don't care that much, but are they just targeting people who "look" gay? i.e.. dudes that don't talk with deep voices and women who don't dress feminine?
I`m like if I`m a gay dude in Nigeria or Russia, lol can't I just say no I`m not gay? How can they verify ?
