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^^^ That's awesome...good to see that along with the AA-12 that shotguns are starting to evolve somewhat. It looks quite ergonomic and modern without being too strange.
 
Sheeeeeesh. I don't even want a shotgun but after that I'm definitely considerin one
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Originally Posted by eashawty

wat can yall tell me about the FN-Five seveN & the FS-2000?
FN-Five Seven shoots a small but highly penetrative round which is the 5.7mm, which is also used in the FN P90 personal defense submachine gun. If I'm not mistaken the mag for the Five Seven holds 20 rounds...which is a lot for a handgun. You can also get some pretty good range out of the 5.7 cartridge which for a handgun is a bonus of sorts.

The main reason for the Five Seven pistol was to be a companion weapon for the FN P90 since they share the same ammunition. BTW the 5.7 cartridge is WELL known for being to penetrate body armor. So the gun itself tends to get a bad rap.

The FS-2000 is chambered in 5.56 NATO/ .223 SAAMI , which is the standard ammo for the M-16/AR-15/M-4 family. It is just another more futuristic version of the modern assault rifle. The bullpup design means overall shorter length since the receiver is located rear of the the handgrip/trigger assembly. It's a nice starship trooper type weapon. Cool collectors piece and conversation piece, but I personally wouldn't buy one. That's just my opinion though...I'd go with the FN-SCAR either Light or Heavy instead.
 
Originally Posted by ElderWatsonDiggs

No doubt CJ...ahh the famous DAU...lol I took some classes at the one in Huntsville in 09. If you lucky you might have a little eye candy in your class.

On another note for all my AR-15 fans I have some good news. Y'all all know about the SBR's (short barrel rifles with barrel length under 16" which are hard to get because they require an ATF tax stamp)...well there is an LEGAL alternative...the AR-15 Pistol. These are not new but before since they used the direct impingement gas system they had that ugly buffer tube that stuck out the back (there are a few exceptions like the Olympic Arms Gas operated AR pistol). Now Rock River Arms created an AR pistol that uses the piston system. It can be registered as a pistol which means ultimately it can be legally concealed if you have a CCW. I'm seriously thinking about getting one and putting an EOTECH on top of it. Below is the pictures for it. Only $1399.


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Originally Posted by Dathbgboy

Sheeeeeesh. I don't even want a shotgun but after that I'm definitely considerin one
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Hey Dathbg, I was late to the shotgun party myself, but after seeing how they could be utilized and being trained on them, they are now my favorite weapon for "engagements" 50 yards on in. They are just so devastating that it's ridiculous. I mean you are cracking engine blocks and shooting through steel doors with the slugs, not to mention making soup out of anything made out of flesh from close range with the 00 Buck. So versatile, so "deadly", so powerful. I <3 the shotty
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EWD...you ever caught a body? I hope one day you can go into what you've done/seen. I'm really interested in seeing what you have to say.
 
how are mossberg shotguns i was at academy the other day, dude was trying to sell me one for 180.00

and other one with a pistol grip for about 350.00
 
Shot an idpa classifier recently. Didn't shoot nearly as well as I wanted but still fun
Here's a clip someone captured
http://www.youtube.com/wa...ure=youtube_gdata_player

Originally Posted by Xavier

how are mossberg shotguns i was at academy the other day, dude was trying to sell me one for 180.00

and other one with a pistol grip for about 350.00

I don't own a shotgun but mossberg is known to build a reliable one...
500 series is the way to go
Also can't go wrong with Remington
2 top brands as far as reliability is concerned
 
yea i think im pick up that mossberg, for home defense people been getting robbed in their houses around my block.
 
Originally Posted by Dame Theory

EWD...you ever caught a body? I hope one day you can go into what you've done/seen. I'm really interested in seeing what you have to say.
One thing I will not do is lie to get props/e-props. Never killed anybody, but have been trained by some of the best if not best triggermen in the world. I'm on the "brains" side of the equation, not the muscle side...though we have to go out sometimes to the warzone to do our thing. When I'm out there I feel safe knowing I have them around me though...true professionals. You'd be surprised to know how many different entities there are supporting the war effort that are not the US military.
 
i have a shot gun. to be honest with you guys don't know the name or model of it. my bro in law gave it to me. he used to go back packing back east and bought it cause of some black bears he encountered. i will post pics up later to see if its a good pc.

but my question to the aficionados what gun is good to have for home protection. don't want to kill the intruder but i really want to hurt his tail.
 
Whats everyone's opinion on the remington 870p max? Im thinking about purchasing one but im having a hard time justifying $900+ for a shotgun
 
If I'm spending $900+ on a shotgun it'll be for a FN SLP
Remington 870 is good to go but then just buy a base model and upgrade for less instead of spending
 
Originally Posted by anabolic dunk

Whats everyone's opinion on the remington 870p max? Im thinking about purchasing one but im having a hard time justifying $900+ for a shotgun
I agree with eteam. There isn't much anyone can say bad about a Remington 870...but it may be better for you to buy the base model and then add on to it. I do like the Ghost Ring sights on the Max though, they are great on shotguns if you are planning on shooting it out to some distance.
 
Originally Posted by elgrenas

i have a shot gun. to be honest with you guys don't know the name or model of it. my bro in law gave it to me. he used to go back packing back east and bought it cause of some black bears he encountered. i will post pics up later to see if its a good pc.

but my question to the aficionados what gun is good to have for home protection. don't want to kill the intruder but i really want to hurt his tail.
Just use birdshot low power shells instead of 00 Buck. Or you can use rock salt shotgun shells instead. The shotgun is still considered the best home defense firearm, so at least you are on the right path.
 
Originally Posted by jd3772000



I am seriously considering a Custom Built Spikes Tactical M4. A local guy did a review on one and its very impressive.

http://ingunowners.com/forums/long_guns/118671-review_spike_s_tactical_st-15_m4_le_carbine.html

A base price of $799 for a good quality 5.56 is very worth it.

http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/

After customizing one on their site...im up to $1300...thats before I buy an aimpoint for it. Its time to save to get this thing purchased!
That's a nice AR...a lot of good quality options for AR's these days. Prices are starting to come down too after the panic from President Obama getting elected.
 
I know elder. I think ima roll with one of those when the time comes. Its either that or the New M&P .22 handgun and a gemtech outback 2 so I can have fun with both my .22's
 
hey guys, i purchased a Springfield XDm yesterday but have to wait 8-10 days before I can pick it up ... .45 acp 4.5 ...

anyone have experience with Springfield this gun or Springfiel in general?
 
Originally Posted by jd3772000

I know elder. I think ima roll with one of those when the time comes. Its either that or the New M&P .22 handgun and a gemtech outback 2 so I can have fun with both my .22's
Oooh wee. A .22 with a silencer is too much fun. They are so quiet with the right ammo.
 
Originally Posted by msaba07

hey guys, i purchased a Springfield XDm yesterday but have to wait 8-10 days before I can pick it up ... .45 acp 4.5 ...

anyone have experience with Springfield this gun or Springfiel in general?
I have only shot a rented Springfield XD at the range...but I liked it from my brief experience, nice natural grip angle and decently accurate even the beat up rental unit I shot...it is considered one of the top polymer handguns along with Glock and M&P. Good choice...give us an update once you throw a few rounds downrange.
 
Will do ... I have completed the first stage of my little collection with this purchase ... I was going for variety and a strong base at first and will step up my assault rifle purchases in the future ... As of right now I have the following:

Browning pump shotgun 12 gauge all black
Remington 700 .270 two tone black/brushed steel
Ruger .22 Long Rifle with an Archangel tactical kit and el cheapo red dot scope

In 10 days I'll add the XDm to the bunch and President's day weekend I have a trip planned to my family's hunting camp ... I will definitely take pictures of all the action for this thread ...

EWD, do you think a Viridian laser would be too much for the XDm? It looks the part, but don't know if dropping $250 on a laser is worth it considering all I'm getting it for is to "have it" lol ...
 
Originally Posted by msaba07

hey guys, i purchased a Springfield XDm yesterday but have to wait 8-10 days before I can pick it up ... .45 acp 4.5 ...

anyone have experience with Springfield this gun or Springfiel in general?

Its a great gun. I have the XDM .40 16+1 that I use for conceal carry buts its too big and I'm going to downgrade to the 9mm sub-compact XDM.
 
Originally Posted by msaba07

Will do ... I have completed the first stage of my little collection with this purchase ... I was going for variety and a strong base at first and will step up my assault rifle purchases in the future ... As of right now I have the following:

Browning pump shotgun 12 gauge all black
Remington 700 .270 two tone black/brushed steel
Ruger .22 Long Rifle with an Archangel tactical kit and el cheapo red dot scope

In 10 days I'll add the XDm to the bunch and President's day weekend I have a trip planned to my family's hunting camp ... I will definitely take pictures of all the action for this thread ...

EWD, do you think a Viridian laser would be too much for the XDm? It looks the part, but don't know if dropping $250 on a laser is worth it considering all I'm getting it for is to "have it" lol ...
Without googling it, aren't Viridians the green lasers? If so they show up really good in the daylight, at least a lot better than the red lasers. If money isn't an issue which I doubt in your case then by all means I'd get it. Of course lasers help with target acquisition and accurate fire, but they are underrated as a training tool. You can teach yourself how to reflex shoot (shooting without aiming down the sights) using the laser. If you are interested in knowing how to do that let me know.
 
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