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Community service can mean just about anything. I volunteer at soup kitchens during Thanksgiving. When I was in college our fraternityvolunteered to pick up trash on the freeways. During Xmas, we volunteered at nursing homes by wrapping presents. etc.. etc.. I think the main idea here isthat Obama wants young people to begin thinking about volunteering and helping out our communities. Whether this is a requirement to graduate or what not wedon't know. Nothing is written into law.Originally Posted by RockyBalboa25
Originally Posted by SunDOOBIE
Volunteerism means doing something without receiving any sort of gain which is in hindsight what Obama wants. To encourage young people to volunteer for community service!
In the words of the military, this isn't volunteering, this is being "voluntold". If you force somebody to volunteer, its not volunteering anymore.
While this sounds like a great idea in theory, I think the execution of this would be be nearly impossible. Encouraging our youths to volunteer is a great idea, but this plan won't work.
What is the punishment if a student does no fulfill their 50 hours per year? Are they going to hold middle and high school students back as if they failed the grade academically? From personal experience, I already know plenty of people that skip class, what's the difference between skipping a class and skipping community service?
When I think of community service, I think either doing it by volunteering through clubs like Key Club/National Honor Society or it being court mandated. Since this would be forced, it would essentially be the same as court mandated which would take all of the enthusiasm out of the students and make it more of a task than something to look forward to. Low worker moral leads to poor quality and might actually lead to more problems than it will fix.
I also foresee transportation issues. How would middle schoolers, 9[sup]th[/sup], 10[sup]th[/sup] and other students without cars get to these locations? If parents work during the day, school transportation would be required and unless each community service location needs a bus full of students, I don't see how efficient it would be.
What is the punishment if a student does no fulfill their 50 hours per year? Are they going to hold middle and high school students back as if they failed the grade academically? From personal experience, I already know plenty of people that skip class, what's the difference between skipping a class and skipping community service?
teachers can just keep a log of student hours. if they notice that a student has been lagging behind, it doesnt mean they have to fail the kid. just work withthem and their parent/guardian to see that they make up as many hours as they can.
you can just put a stipulation on it, like "you need a minimum of X hours to go to homecoming", or "X hours to go on the senior boat trip".kids will do the hours.
When I think of community service, I think either doing it by volunteering through clubs like Key Club/National Honor Society or it being court mandated. Since this would be forced, it would essentially be the same as court mandated which would take all of the enthusiasm out of the students and make it more of a task than something to look forward to. Low worker moral leads to poor quality and might actually lead to more problems than it will fix.
thats not true at all. we had required community service to graduate from middle school and high school. when we first heard about it, it didn't sound thatgreat. but in reality, being outside on a nice day, and getting to be in a team with our friends, was a LOT better than sitting in class. we actually surpassedthe work we were supposed to do, and we still had fun.
I also foresee transportation issues. How would middle schoolers, 9th, 10th and other students without cars get to these locations? If parents work during the day, school transportation would be required and unless each community service location needs a bus full of students, I don't see how efficient it would be.
umm... just split the kids into groups, and each week/month bus a different group out to a location during the school day, or whatever. it can be done.
Well look at the people who are complaining. Bitter and Salty McCain supporters. Every plan of Obama's will be scrutinized because itsSOCIALISM. No its Invasionism. No its Muslimism.Originally Posted by JordanFiend85
Dont most school districts have mandatory community service, anyway? I dont see the big deal.
I love how most of NT doesnt even know what Socialism is but use it becuase it sounds cool, and they heard it on the news. That said I dont like the mandating of it at the college level. But for the high school level its already been done.
The whole point of posting this article was to discuss the concept of this, I am just bringing up the problems I can foresee.Originally Posted by SunDOOBIE
Community service can mean just about anything. I volunteer at soup kitchens during Thanksgiving. When I was in college our fraternity volunteered to pick up trash on the freeways. During Xmas, we volunteered at nursing homes by wrapping presents. etc.. etc.. I think the main idea here is that Obama wants young people to begin thinking about volunteering and helping out our communities. Whether this is a requirement to graduate or what not we don't know. Nothing is written into law.
Until the specific details are posted, this is just another one of Obama's ideas and instead of people being skeptical about this or that, just WAIT until the full details are brought about. After the details are worked out, then you can whine and +%!!% and complain and call it SOCIALISM, CAPITALISM, COMMUNISUM, VOLUNTERISM or whatever.
I agree. However I didn't one day wake up and say HEY I am going to spend 5 hours day before Thanksgiving peeling potatoes. Not that I wasforced but because a majority of my friends were doing it especially this one shorty I was peeping, I too decided to volunteer.Originally Posted by RockyBalboa25
The whole point of posting this article was to discuss the concept of this, I am just bringing up the problems I can foresee.Originally Posted by SunDOOBIE
Community service can mean just about anything. I volunteer at soup kitchens during Thanksgiving. When I was in college our fraternity volunteered to pick up trash on the freeways. During Xmas, we volunteered at nursing homes by wrapping presents. etc.. etc.. I think the main idea here is that Obama wants young people to begin thinking about volunteering and helping out our communities. Whether this is a requirement to graduate or what not we don't know. Nothing is written into law.
Until the specific details are posted, this is just another one of Obama's ideas and instead of people being skeptical about this or that, just WAIT until the full details are brought about. After the details are worked out, then you can whine and +%!!% and complain and call it SOCIALISM, CAPITALISM, COMMUNISUM, VOLUNTERISM or whatever.
Yes, this is not a law yet. I am just bringing up questions that don't seem like there are legitimate answers to. Can you think of a way to enforce this? Failing students won't work, issuing fines to a 6th grader won't work, putting a kid in juvenile dentition won't work, what realistically could work? Can you think of a way to solve the transportation issue?
The theme of all of the things that you listed and my point was that it was solely your decision to volunteer. I am sure you got more out of working at a soup kitchen and helping others because it meant something to you than you would have if you were forced to do it by a superior.
Originally Posted by tylerdub
So Obama is going to MAKE people serve 50-100 hours community service. I really want to get behind this Presidentbut this is ridiculous. Brownshirt armies man. if people want to serve their community they can and should. Morality and service should NEVER be mandated. Mandatory community service in government programs sounds suspiciously like youth camps and social brainwashing stuff.
My point is that government should become less involved in our lives. The Obama administration has so many ideas that have been done by Stalin and Marx and Mao. Invasionist governing FTL.
Originally Posted by kix4kix
Originally Posted by tylerdub
So Obama is going to MAKE people serve 50-100 hours community service. I really want to get behind this Presidentbut this is ridiculous. Brownshirt armies man. if people want to serve their
community they can and should. Morality and service should NEVER be mandated. Mandatory community service in government programs sounds suspiciously like youth
camps and social brainwashing stuff.
My point is that government should become less involved in our lives. The Obama administration has so many ideas that have been done by Stalin and Marx and
Mao. Invasionist governing FTL.
By less government you mean not telling people who to marry, or when to have sex, or when to tap phone calls?....Or when to abort?....Ok got ya.
Originally Posted by tylerdub
"When you choose to serve -- whether it's your nation, your
community or simply your neighborhood -- you are connected to that
fundamental American ideal that we want life, liberty and the pursuit
of happiness not just for ourselves, but for all Americans. That's why
it's called the American dream."
when has any of that ever been put into law .............. save for the wire taps?Originally Posted by kix4kix
Originally Posted by tylerdub
So Obama is going to MAKE people serve 50-100 hours community service. I really want to get behind this Presidentbut this is ridiculous. Brownshirt armies man. if people want to serve their community they can and should. Morality and service should NEVER be mandated. Mandatory community service in government programs sounds suspiciously like youth camps and social brainwashing stuff.
My point is that government should become less involved in our lives. The Obama administration has so many ideas that have been done by Stalin and Marx and Mao. Invasionist governing FTL.
By less government you mean not telling people who to marry, or when to have sex, or when to tap phone calls?....Or when to abort?....Ok got ya.
Originally Posted by kix4kix
Originally Posted by tylerdub
So Obama is going to MAKE people serve 50-100 hours community service. I really want to get behind this Presidentbut this is ridiculous. Brownshirt armies man. if people want to serve their community they can and should. Morality and service should NEVER be mandated. Mandatory community service in government programs sounds suspiciously like youth camps and social brainwashing stuff.
My point is that government should become less involved in our lives. The Obama administration has so many ideas that have been done by Stalin and Marx and Mao. Invasionist governing FTL.
By less government you mean not telling people who to marry, or when to have sex, or when to tap phone calls?....Or when to abort?....Ok got ya.
i had to do 40 to graduate from the nursing exam in hsOriginally Posted by TkTheGirl
Cool idea.
My HS had a "mandatory" 100 hours, but if you took a certain amount of extra electives you could skip it. lol.
Exactly. Well said.Originally Posted by Fede DPT
Originally Posted by K8be wan Kenobi
Because American parents are doing such a great job keeping their kids active and in-shape, not addicted to video games and TV, and not involved in crime...Originally Posted by Fede DPT
Parents.Originally Posted by saint lt
Originally Posted by Dirtylicious
oh..and I'd scratch out the middle schoolers.
just HS and College kids
why? it would give them more of an option to stay out of trouble.
Yeah, so let the government spend peoples money and do the parents job, right?
That's the problem in this country, people don't like to take accountability.
If your kid is a bad %$$ or sucks in school, that is YOUR fault.