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**Official 2010 NY knicks pre-season thread** 10/6 vs T-wolves (PARIS) 2PM MSG/NBA TV
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true true, but im looking at this at the long run, whether we successful or not, the team we have now is not gonna be the same come next yr or the yr after. a couple people come off the book in 2011 and more in 2012.
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true true, but im looking at this at the long run, whether we successful or not, the team we have now is not gonna be the same come next yr or the yr after. a couple people come off the book in 2011 and more in 2012.
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Seeing as the title of my post, that said F*** Tim Wood couldn't be quoted with the picture, I think some things got lost in translation.
Personally, I think this summer was a great success. It's the mentality going forward that's something I can't ever remember seeing in Knicks basketball. Always leave options, make the cap work for you, making sure that getting the players we need come with contracts that make sense in our long term plans. Every sentence of that is the opposite of Knicks basketball in the aughts.
A lot of things got set in the last weeks that look like winning basketball for a good time coming. We needed size and we got size. We needed a real starting point guard and we didn't let that need sacrifice future flexibility. We got shot blockers and defenders. How the hell did we get defenders?!
No real Knick fan isn't satisfied with this summer. Maybe some dudes with half a foot in the No-name James bandwagon are mad they stepped up just to get disappointed, but anyone who's watched as many close games we lost in the last 4 minutes these past years is excited. Landry $+#%%** Fields might not be worthless.
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Personally, I think this summer was a great success. It's the mentality going forward that's something I can't ever remember seeing in Knicks basketball. Always leave options, make the cap work for you, making sure that getting the players we need come with contracts that make sense in our long term plans. Every sentence of that is the opposite of Knicks basketball in the aughts.
A lot of things got set in the last weeks that look like winning basketball for a good time coming. We needed size and we got size. We needed a real starting point guard and we didn't let that need sacrifice future flexibility. We got shot blockers and defenders. How the hell did we get defenders?!
No real Knick fan isn't satisfied with this summer. Maybe some dudes with half a foot in the No-name James bandwagon are mad they stepped up just to get disappointed, but anyone who's watched as many close games we lost in the last 4 minutes these past years is excited. Landry $+#%%** Fields might not be worthless.
Drago
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Seeing as the title of my post, that said F*** Tim Wood couldn't be quoted with the picture, I think some things got lost in translation.
Personally, I think this summer was a great success. It's the mentality going forward that's something I can't ever remember seeing in Knicks basketball. Always leave options, make the cap work for you, making sure that getting the players we need come with contracts that make sense in our long term plans. Every sentence of that is the opposite of Knicks basketball in the aughts.
A lot of things got set in the last weeks that look like winning basketball for a good time coming. We needed size and we got size. We needed a real starting point guard and we didn't let that need sacrifice future flexibility. We got shot blockers and defenders. How the hell did we get defenders?!
No real Knick fan isn't satisfied with this summer. Maybe some dudes with half a foot in the No-name James bandwagon are mad they stepped up just to get disappointed, but anyone who's watched as many close games we lost in the last 4 minutes these past years is excited. Landry $+#%%** Fields might not be worthless.
Drago
Personally, I think this summer was a great success. It's the mentality going forward that's something I can't ever remember seeing in Knicks basketball. Always leave options, make the cap work for you, making sure that getting the players we need come with contracts that make sense in our long term plans. Every sentence of that is the opposite of Knicks basketball in the aughts.
A lot of things got set in the last weeks that look like winning basketball for a good time coming. We needed size and we got size. We needed a real starting point guard and we didn't let that need sacrifice future flexibility. We got shot blockers and defenders. How the hell did we get defenders?!
No real Knick fan isn't satisfied with this summer. Maybe some dudes with half a foot in the No-name James bandwagon are mad they stepped up just to get disappointed, but anyone who's watched as many close games we lost in the last 4 minutes these past years is excited. Landry $+#%%** Fields might not be worthless.
Drago
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This. Please stop all this 2011/2012 talk. Our team going to this season is VERY GOOD (no black holes, young, competitive, some good defenders, and everyone is hungry to succeed and know they arent on their way out at any moment) and its probably as good if not better than our team with crawford/zbo and that was a playoff team. Give this team a chance, and just ignore what all these idiots are saying about how we are heading to another 50 loss seasonOriginally Posted by BangDak
I'm starting to hate my own fellow Knick fans in here.
Btw, Fields/Jordan are looking real good out there
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This. Please stop all this 2011/2012 talk. Our team going to this season is VERY GOOD (no black holes, young, competitive, some good defenders, and everyone is hungry to succeed and know they arent on their way out at any moment) and its probably as good if not better than our team with crawford/zbo and that was a playoff team. Give this team a chance, and just ignore what all these idiots are saying about how we are heading to another 50 loss seasonOriginally Posted by BangDak
I'm starting to hate my own fellow Knick fans in here.
Btw, Fields/Jordan are looking real good out there
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Originally Posted by Ballinsam23
This. Please stop all this 2011/2012 talk. Our team going to this season is VERY GOOD (no black holes, young, competitive, some good defenders, and everyone is hungry to succeed and know they arent on their way out at any moment) and its probably as good if not better than our team with crawford/zbo and that was a playoff team. Give this team a chance, and just ignore what all these idiots are saying about how we are heading to another 50 loss seasonOriginally Posted by BangDak
I'm starting to hate my own fellow Knick fans in here.. So please stop with this melo/cp3 talk.....
Btw, Fields/Jordan are looking real good out there
I understand you completely believe me, I love with who we got this summer, but lets face the fact in a yr or 2 this roster will drastically changed, who knows for better or worse, but it will happen. At some point Gallo will be good and potentially an all star and he will wanna get paid. And look what happen to david lee, he's getting paid somewhere else. I honestly see only Amare being in this team past 2012. So who can we possibly pick up after that?
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Originally Posted by Ballinsam23
This. Please stop all this 2011/2012 talk. Our team going to this season is VERY GOOD (no black holes, young, competitive, some good defenders, and everyone is hungry to succeed and know they arent on their way out at any moment) and its probably as good if not better than our team with crawford/zbo and that was a playoff team. Give this team a chance, and just ignore what all these idiots are saying about how we are heading to another 50 loss seasonOriginally Posted by BangDak
I'm starting to hate my own fellow Knick fans in here.. So please stop with this melo/cp3 talk.....
Btw, Fields/Jordan are looking real good out there
I understand you completely believe me, I love with who we got this summer, but lets face the fact in a yr or 2 this roster will drastically changed, who knows for better or worse, but it will happen. At some point Gallo will be good and potentially an all star and he will wanna get paid. And look what happen to david lee, he's getting paid somewhere else. I honestly see only Amare being in this team past 2012. So who can we possibly pick up after that?
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There are just too many variables to make that discussion a good one at this point. If you really think that only 1 player will be on this team in 2 years, then it's almost pointless to discuss who/what/when/where of this team in 2 years, there are too many possibilities to even get into it.
Yeah David Lee wanted to get paid, but didn't necessarily want to leave NYC... Gallinari has shown he likes the city and the organization, for all we know he could be with the Knicks his whole career and we pay him.... or Carmelo could sign an extension in a few days and announce he never wants to leave Denver.... or Chris Paul gets traded to a team who offers a great package.. or any number of scenarios.
Obviously none of us can stop you from looking ahead at possible FA's, but speaking for myself and the feelings of a few on here, let's try to focus on the team currently... we spent 2 seasons daydreaming possible scenarios after this summer, let's just watch this young team grow and develop without planning for their departure the day they get here.
Yeah David Lee wanted to get paid, but didn't necessarily want to leave NYC... Gallinari has shown he likes the city and the organization, for all we know he could be with the Knicks his whole career and we pay him.... or Carmelo could sign an extension in a few days and announce he never wants to leave Denver.... or Chris Paul gets traded to a team who offers a great package.. or any number of scenarios.
Obviously none of us can stop you from looking ahead at possible FA's, but speaking for myself and the feelings of a few on here, let's try to focus on the team currently... we spent 2 seasons daydreaming possible scenarios after this summer, let's just watch this young team grow and develop without planning for their departure the day they get here.
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There are just too many variables to make that discussion a good one at this point. If you really think that only 1 player will be on this team in 2 years, then it's almost pointless to discuss who/what/when/where of this team in 2 years, there are too many possibilities to even get into it.
Yeah David Lee wanted to get paid, but didn't necessarily want to leave NYC... Gallinari has shown he likes the city and the organization, for all we know he could be with the Knicks his whole career and we pay him.... or Carmelo could sign an extension in a few days and announce he never wants to leave Denver.... or Chris Paul gets traded to a team who offers a great package.. or any number of scenarios.
Obviously none of us can stop you from looking ahead at possible FA's, but speaking for myself and the feelings of a few on here, let's try to focus on the team currently... we spent 2 seasons daydreaming possible scenarios after this summer, let's just watch this young team grow and develop without planning for their departure the day they get here.
Yeah David Lee wanted to get paid, but didn't necessarily want to leave NYC... Gallinari has shown he likes the city and the organization, for all we know he could be with the Knicks his whole career and we pay him.... or Carmelo could sign an extension in a few days and announce he never wants to leave Denver.... or Chris Paul gets traded to a team who offers a great package.. or any number of scenarios.
Obviously none of us can stop you from looking ahead at possible FA's, but speaking for myself and the feelings of a few on here, let's try to focus on the team currently... we spent 2 seasons daydreaming possible scenarios after this summer, let's just watch this young team grow and develop without planning for their departure the day they get here.
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Your wish is granted. Sorry To all......LETS GO KNICKS!!!!
i'd say one day we all knicks fan list attend a home game..
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Your wish is granted. Sorry To all......LETS GO KNICKS!!!!
i'd say one day we all knicks fan list attend a home game..
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On another note, i'm still angry Donnie couldnt have moved up a few spots to get Whiteside. Dude's a straight up monster
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On another note, i'm still angry Donnie couldnt have moved up a few spots to get Whiteside. Dude's a straight up monster
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Yeah, obviously I'm not trying to be a jerk to you specificallyOriginally Posted by Spectacular23
Your wish is granted. Sorry To all......LETS GO KNICKS!!!!
i'd say one day we all knicks fan list attend a home game..
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Yeah, obviously I'm not trying to be a jerk to you specificallyOriginally Posted by Spectacular23
Your wish is granted. Sorry To all......LETS GO KNICKS!!!!
i'd say one day we all knicks fan list attend a home game..
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The first thing I noticed was his shoulders. They were broad and bulging, like an NFL linebacker. I've been doing P90X for a year now and I could do it for 10 more and not have shoulders like that.
I don't know whether to be impressed or insanely jealous. As we talking during Sunday's NBA Summer League opener for the Knicks here in Las Vegas, Wilson Chandler told me he only gained about five pounds so far, but he looked to pack on at least 10-to-15 in his upper body alone. I've stood next to LeBron James, who is a powerful physical specimen and, to be honest, Wilson is starting to look every bit as strong.
Of course the two couldn't be any more different on the inside. With Wilson, the smile is still small and shy and eye contact is rare. But get him talking about a subject he likes -- basketball -- and the petals start to open. We talked about LeBron and "The Decision." Wilson admitted he tuned in.
"Yeah, I watched it," he said. "I didn't know what he was going to do so I was curious."
So are the Heat now a daunting team to face?
"I wouldn't say that," he said. "You can put them at the top, those three guys, I don't see why not. But there's no excuses not to win."
If LeBron had chosen the Knicks, there was a good chance Wilson might have been traded to clear room for a supporting-role guard or another player. Wouldn't make sense to bury a talent like Chandler on the bench behind a guy like James. Instead, Wilson will likely have to defend LeBron when the Knicks face the Heat.
Here's where the shyness goes away.
"I'd rather play him," he said. "It makes me better at the end of the day. If I can go out and guard those guys -- not saying I'm going to stop them -- but to limit them. By playing good defense, I get some confidence in myself."
Confidence seems to be all this kid needs, along with a little more consistency in his jumper. There is a big difference between confidence and bravado, the latter of which Chandler will probably never have. That might be what holds him back from using his exceptional athleticism and power to become an all-star. But he is what he is.
That's why he left Twitter. The timing was curious, because he deleted the account right after his May arrest for marijuana possession. In our story in today's Newsday, Wilson explains that situation and how he wasn't smoking. He said an NBA-mandated drug test the next day proved he was clean.
But he didn't use Twitter, or reach out to the media, to offer that side of the story after the avalanche of criticism and jokes at his expense. I asked him, Why?
"I didn't really want to talk about it," he said. "No matter what I said, people were going to make different stories about it."
With the situation behind him, Wilson assured me he has no interest in going back on Twitter. He said he was tired of reading so many negative comments from fans and followers, who seemed only interested in provoking him.
"Fans and people disliking you, saying stuff about the team, Coach [Mike D'Antoni] and me, just anything," Chandler said. "It was just too much."
He's really not all about the concept of developing a brand or collecting a large following. Chandler just wants to play basketball. After surgeries on his ankle and groin (sports hernia) in the spring, he's expected to be cleared for full contact basketball by the end of the week. He'll have the rest of July and all of August and September to prepare for the season.
Will he even be a Knick by then? Nothing is a given, especially with the Knicks monitoring situations with stars such as Chris Paul and Carmelo Anthony. But don't expect Wilson to campaign to stay in New York or even worry about it.
"I'm just here and working," Chandler said. "Whether I'm here or not, I have to keep working."
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* - When I heard Timofey Mozgov was here in Vegas, I went over to the Wynn (where the Knicks usually stay) to see if I might spot him. I happened to see an extremely tall kid walking through the casino. He was grabbed by a bouncy young girl who shouted a question, "How tall are you?!"
"Seven-one," came the reply.
As he turned, I noticed he was wearing an orange shirt with the word "KNICKS" across the front.
That has to be him, I thought. (Yes, I have razor sharp reporter's instincts...my story is in today's Newsday).
We chatted for a bit and, though his English was somewhat limited, he did show the ability to carry a conversation. When I mentioned Patrick Ewing, he grinned and immediately said, "Pippen."
Yeah, Tim? Probably not the best reference to make.
The kid is excited, of course. He said his mother was crying on the phone when he called to tell her he signed with the Knicks. I didn't ask, but I imagine Mikhail Prokhorov will have someone else in Russia crying about letting this kid escape to his rival team without informing him first. Unless the kid becomes a total bust.
We won't know for sure until training camp. Mozgov won't play in the summer league here. He will play for Russia in the World Championships in Turkey later this summer.
* - The Knicks summer league team (0-1) play the Lakers today here in Vegas. I'll give my assessment of some of the new kids in an upcoming Fix.
@ Mozgov immediately thinking/saying Pippen when Hahn mentioned Patrick... I guess that dunk was that memorable, even in Russia.
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The first thing I noticed was his shoulders. They were broad and bulging, like an NFL linebacker. I've been doing P90X for a year now and I could do it for 10 more and not have shoulders like that.
I don't know whether to be impressed or insanely jealous. As we talking during Sunday's NBA Summer League opener for the Knicks here in Las Vegas, Wilson Chandler told me he only gained about five pounds so far, but he looked to pack on at least 10-to-15 in his upper body alone. I've stood next to LeBron James, who is a powerful physical specimen and, to be honest, Wilson is starting to look every bit as strong.
Of course the two couldn't be any more different on the inside. With Wilson, the smile is still small and shy and eye contact is rare. But get him talking about a subject he likes -- basketball -- and the petals start to open. We talked about LeBron and "The Decision." Wilson admitted he tuned in.
"Yeah, I watched it," he said. "I didn't know what he was going to do so I was curious."
So are the Heat now a daunting team to face?
"I wouldn't say that," he said. "You can put them at the top, those three guys, I don't see why not. But there's no excuses not to win."
If LeBron had chosen the Knicks, there was a good chance Wilson might have been traded to clear room for a supporting-role guard or another player. Wouldn't make sense to bury a talent like Chandler on the bench behind a guy like James. Instead, Wilson will likely have to defend LeBron when the Knicks face the Heat.
Here's where the shyness goes away.
"I'd rather play him," he said. "It makes me better at the end of the day. If I can go out and guard those guys -- not saying I'm going to stop them -- but to limit them. By playing good defense, I get some confidence in myself."
Confidence seems to be all this kid needs, along with a little more consistency in his jumper. There is a big difference between confidence and bravado, the latter of which Chandler will probably never have. That might be what holds him back from using his exceptional athleticism and power to become an all-star. But he is what he is.
That's why he left Twitter. The timing was curious, because he deleted the account right after his May arrest for marijuana possession. In our story in today's Newsday, Wilson explains that situation and how he wasn't smoking. He said an NBA-mandated drug test the next day proved he was clean.
But he didn't use Twitter, or reach out to the media, to offer that side of the story after the avalanche of criticism and jokes at his expense. I asked him, Why?
"I didn't really want to talk about it," he said. "No matter what I said, people were going to make different stories about it."
With the situation behind him, Wilson assured me he has no interest in going back on Twitter. He said he was tired of reading so many negative comments from fans and followers, who seemed only interested in provoking him.
"Fans and people disliking you, saying stuff about the team, Coach [Mike D'Antoni] and me, just anything," Chandler said. "It was just too much."
He's really not all about the concept of developing a brand or collecting a large following. Chandler just wants to play basketball. After surgeries on his ankle and groin (sports hernia) in the spring, he's expected to be cleared for full contact basketball by the end of the week. He'll have the rest of July and all of August and September to prepare for the season.
Will he even be a Knick by then? Nothing is a given, especially with the Knicks monitoring situations with stars such as Chris Paul and Carmelo Anthony. But don't expect Wilson to campaign to stay in New York or even worry about it.
"I'm just here and working," Chandler said. "Whether I'm here or not, I have to keep working."
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* - When I heard Timofey Mozgov was here in Vegas, I went over to the Wynn (where the Knicks usually stay) to see if I might spot him. I happened to see an extremely tall kid walking through the casino. He was grabbed by a bouncy young girl who shouted a question, "How tall are you?!"
"Seven-one," came the reply.
As he turned, I noticed he was wearing an orange shirt with the word "KNICKS" across the front.
That has to be him, I thought. (Yes, I have razor sharp reporter's instincts...my story is in today's Newsday).
We chatted for a bit and, though his English was somewhat limited, he did show the ability to carry a conversation. When I mentioned Patrick Ewing, he grinned and immediately said, "Pippen."
Yeah, Tim? Probably not the best reference to make.
The kid is excited, of course. He said his mother was crying on the phone when he called to tell her he signed with the Knicks. I didn't ask, but I imagine Mikhail Prokhorov will have someone else in Russia crying about letting this kid escape to his rival team without informing him first. Unless the kid becomes a total bust.
We won't know for sure until training camp. Mozgov won't play in the summer league here. He will play for Russia in the World Championships in Turkey later this summer.
* - The Knicks summer league team (0-1) play the Lakers today here in Vegas. I'll give my assessment of some of the new kids in an upcoming Fix.
@ Mozgov immediately thinking/saying Pippen when Hahn mentioned Patrick... I guess that dunk was that memorable, even in Russia.
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if i had to rate our off season it would be a 7.5.
positives-
signed STAT who is our best player since Pat. stop for a second and read that sentence over. Plus He can recruit.
Got big men who can play right away and got 2 big men projects.
drafted 2 smart seniors who are good character guys (today my friend was yelling about lance. i still say he marbury 2.0 and we don't need that %$!+ right now)
most of our assets are easily tradeable
no more hughes. harrington, duhon. no more black holes. no more garbage people taking shots from gallo
got a playoff caliber point guard who can pass well but can't shoot great. (Toney should be a 2 ad just guard point guards unless he starts seeing the lanes better and can get with the pick and role.)
donnie was a frugal spender minus Amare
negatives-
missed out on lebron
amare is injury prone but nowhere near the level people are saying. look at the last 3 out of 4 years....
Rautins pick was only good to me if we got lebron because I wanted to surround him with as many shooters as possible. he doesn't look NBA ready so far
maybe we overpaid a bit for amare, but i'm sine with it. he deserves the money for being the one with the balls to come and he seems HUNGRY
Dolan still has a love affair with Isiah
The media really is a huge factor in why lebron and others won't play here. that won't ever change
you can't even consider not getting lebron a mistake. we did nothing wrong on our part.
positives-
signed STAT who is our best player since Pat. stop for a second and read that sentence over. Plus He can recruit.
Got big men who can play right away and got 2 big men projects.
drafted 2 smart seniors who are good character guys (today my friend was yelling about lance. i still say he marbury 2.0 and we don't need that %$!+ right now)
most of our assets are easily tradeable
no more hughes. harrington, duhon. no more black holes. no more garbage people taking shots from gallo
got a playoff caliber point guard who can pass well but can't shoot great. (Toney should be a 2 ad just guard point guards unless he starts seeing the lanes better and can get with the pick and role.)
donnie was a frugal spender minus Amare
negatives-
missed out on lebron
amare is injury prone but nowhere near the level people are saying. look at the last 3 out of 4 years....
Rautins pick was only good to me if we got lebron because I wanted to surround him with as many shooters as possible. he doesn't look NBA ready so far
maybe we overpaid a bit for amare, but i'm sine with it. he deserves the money for being the one with the balls to come and he seems HUNGRY
Dolan still has a love affair with Isiah
The media really is a huge factor in why lebron and others won't play here. that won't ever change
you can't even consider not getting lebron a mistake. we did nothing wrong on our part.
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if i had to rate our off season it would be a 7.5.
positives-
signed STAT who is our best player since Pat. stop for a second and read that sentence over. Plus He can recruit.
Got big men who can play right away and got 2 big men projects.
drafted 2 smart seniors who are good character guys (today my friend was yelling about lance. i still say he marbury 2.0 and we don't need that %$!+ right now)
most of our assets are easily tradeable
no more hughes. harrington, duhon. no more black holes. no more garbage people taking shots from gallo
got a playoff caliber point guard who can pass well but can't shoot great. (Toney should be a 2 ad just guard point guards unless he starts seeing the lanes better and can get with the pick and role.)
donnie was a frugal spender minus Amare
negatives-
missed out on lebron
amare is injury prone but nowhere near the level people are saying. look at the last 3 out of 4 years....
Rautins pick was only good to me if we got lebron because I wanted to surround him with as many shooters as possible. he doesn't look NBA ready so far
maybe we overpaid a bit for amare, but i'm sine with it. he deserves the money for being the one with the balls to come and he seems HUNGRY
Dolan still has a love affair with Isiah
The media really is a huge factor in why lebron and others won't play here. that won't ever change
you can't even consider not getting lebron a mistake. we did nothing wrong on our part.
positives-
signed STAT who is our best player since Pat. stop for a second and read that sentence over. Plus He can recruit.
Got big men who can play right away and got 2 big men projects.
drafted 2 smart seniors who are good character guys (today my friend was yelling about lance. i still say he marbury 2.0 and we don't need that %$!+ right now)
most of our assets are easily tradeable
no more hughes. harrington, duhon. no more black holes. no more garbage people taking shots from gallo
got a playoff caliber point guard who can pass well but can't shoot great. (Toney should be a 2 ad just guard point guards unless he starts seeing the lanes better and can get with the pick and role.)
donnie was a frugal spender minus Amare
negatives-
missed out on lebron
amare is injury prone but nowhere near the level people are saying. look at the last 3 out of 4 years....
Rautins pick was only good to me if we got lebron because I wanted to surround him with as many shooters as possible. he doesn't look NBA ready so far
maybe we overpaid a bit for amare, but i'm sine with it. he deserves the money for being the one with the balls to come and he seems HUNGRY
Dolan still has a love affair with Isiah
The media really is a huge factor in why lebron and others won't play here. that won't ever change
you can't even consider not getting lebron a mistake. we did nothing wrong on our part.
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That David Lee letter is a tearjerker.
Liking what I see from Walker.
Liking what I see from Walker.
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That David Lee letter is a tearjerker.
Liking what I see from Walker.
Liking what I see from Walker.
