***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[RustyShackleford]

the defund the police thing is really hard to pin down given that range of its meanings.

I would have pegged you towards to more nuanced version of defund but ultimately pro budget cuts?
but if you don't fall into that my bad.

When you were ranting I am pretty sure I told you that I am sympathetic to activists because I have seen many of them beg cities for decades to fund social services without cutting police budgets and got rebuked over and over. So taking from the police budget was their last resort, and I understand why many have reached this place.

I voiced my concerns about your plans for reform because police unions employ a strong veto on the street and will let crime spike to sabotage minor reform efforts

And I told you that I am ultra concerned about misconduct and I was only comfortable with more police funding if there were major reforms to hold them accountable. That the problem with accountability is way worse than people realize

Pretty sure I said I disagree with some of the policy solutions the defund the police people have. But generally, the progressive left has a lot of good ideas for reforming policing and those should be instituted, but again, the problem needs stronger interventions than most realize.

That was generally my position

 

[had pants]

 

[RustyShackleford]

 

[RustyShackleford]

Ladies and gentlemen, Mathew Yglesias summed up in two tweets...

The victory lap for being proven right, even though there is a major data point also for him getting it very wrong.



If you follow dude, then what happened in here this morning is not surprising.

 

[kingfoamnyc]

After Adams wins what happens to all the Yang Bangers?

 

[dinyc3st]

way too late. GGs

 

[dinyc3st]

After Adams wins what happens to all the Yang Bangers?

going back to Jersey

 

[RustyShackleford]

After Adams wins what happens to all the Yang Bangers?

Back to 4Chan

 

[RustyShackleford]

That is her point. She’s seen anti black and immigrant whites women in middle America change their perspectives by interacting with other people in similar situations as them. The forces against deprogramming these white folks are just too invested in not allowing these people to do that. Their whole scam is predicated on that.

Yeah, I agree with her completely

The right-wing neoliberal scam doesn't work if the vast majority of white people don't indulge in self-destructive behavior

That is why conservative elites are always having a moral panic over anything that might deprogram problematic middle-class white people, especially kids.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Isn't Adams is further to the right than Yang on policing?

 

[Cashflow]

 

[blastercombo]

How do racist white Christians define “woke”? dwalk31 ?

 

[Comparison Ford]

 

[Cashflow]

Sounds about white

 

[Based Jesus]

Sounds about white

Beat me to it

 

[Methodical Management]

He got off to a head start on this one:

Mayoral candidate Eric Adams lived in his government office during the pandemic. He may have never left.

The leading contender in New York City has provided conflicting information on official documents about where he resides.

www.politico.com

Isn't Adams is further to the right than Yang on policing?

Yang and Adams spar over a police union endorsement. (Published 2021)

www.nytimes.com

Take a break, Osh. You're obviously trolling.

 

[rexanglorum]

 

[blastercombo]

Sounds about white

LOL

attempt to kill the American government < ounce of weed

 

[tomdiginson]

He got off to a head start on this one:

Mayoral candidate Eric Adams lived in his government office during the pandemic. He may have never left.

The leading contender in New York City has provided conflicting information on official documents about where he resides.

www.politico.com

There is none left. Deblasio has sold it all for pennies to his developer friends to turn it into luxury developments.

 

[Mark Antony]

Sounds about white

I guess all it takes are some movie reviews

 

[blastercombo]

“One day trump will be in jail!” Lol kill all that noise. Random racist whites get let off and y’all think trump is going down? LOL

FBI: if you had a phone we will find you!!


Rioter: and then what??


FBI: ………. Gonna fine you less than jordan 1 resale ….. if that’s ok with you?……

 

[Rootin4EverybodyBlack]

Wait a minute, are y’all telling me it’s basically between THIS GUY and Yang at becoming the next mayor? Yikes

 

[art vandelay]

LOL

attempt to kill the American government < ounce of weed

Weebay Gif insertion.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Wait a minute, are y’all telling me it’s basically between THIS GUY and Yang at becoming the next mayor? Yikes

He is the front runner but Yang flamed out, he came 4th and already conceded

 

[rexanglorum]

While it’s worthwhile to learn, organize, and mobilize in order to get the best (or in most cases) the least bad candidate elected, it’s a fact that elected politicians have much less power than does concentrated wealth. This is especially true for big city mayors.

The only play is to become a spokesperson for the city and a recruiter for capital. You have to have a heavy handed police force because if black teens or unhoused people are within the same line of sight as a big commercial property or luxury apartment building, the numbers on a spreadsheet in London or Dubai or Frankfurt or Connecticut won’t look good. It’s a great system we have.

Also, it is funny to see a libertarian like Andrew Yang so quickly and easily go full reactionary. Libertarianism is such a stupid ideology; property rights and human rights are in direct conflict with each other. When you’re a novelty presidential candidate, you can ignore the contradiction and/or paper over it with a UBI paid for by the US’ monetary sovereignty. But once you become a front runner for a local race, and you have to answer serious questions about how to govern a polity that is truly constrained by its budget, you all but call for mentally ill, unhoused people to be put in work camps in order to make your city more attractive to tourists and investors.

Every libertarian eventually gets confronted with enough questions, about actually governing, and they got to decide if they’ll be a progressive/socialist or a reactionary. We all saw what Andrew Yang choose.