***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[junglejim]

Jeffrey Epstein's former pilot testifies Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Prince Andrew flew aboard Epstein's private plane | CNN

Jeffrey Epstein's former pilot testified in Ghislaine Maxwell's sex trafficking trial Tuesday that a who's who of powerful men, including former Presidents Bill Clinton and Donald Trump, flew aboard Epstein's private plane.

www.cnn.com

I do not think he molested kids but I could certainly see why someone would think that

 

[IATT]

More than 10 pages…

 

[dwalk31]

You posted that you don't think you've ever said Trump isn't a racist. I quoted you literally saying "I do not think President Trump is a racist."

What you didn’t post was me saying “Trump isn’t racist”

There’s a difference.

 

[IATT]

The GOP is taking blatantly racist actions to retain control of the country

they are using trump as the poster boy for these actions while he remains the front runner for the ‘24 nomination

we still have no idea how involved he and his people were in what took place on January 6th, which was an act of terrorism

but this in here like “why we still talkin bout trump in 2021”

never seen a black person jump through this many hoops in my damn life to cover up for someone who has been this blatantly racist.. I mean if the stuff he has done or said about your own people ain’t enough, go ask a Asian person how they feel about dude.. or a Mexican

 

[boris]

What you didn’t post was me saying “Trump isn’t racist”

There’s a difference.

This is just sad.

 

[dacomeup]

and if it's so wrong when do you think we should wind down covid protocols?

Obviously the information is evolving and the situation is changing. Especially with disparate access to vaccines with a highly transmissible virus, I think that any blanket statements about what should be done right now by laymen are dumb. Obviously, your statement from 12 days ago looked ridiculous a short time later. I think that’s proof enough.

 

[TooOlfForThisIsh]

So as a black person living in NYC I see it as late stage gentrification. Aka not as effective as gentrification in other neighborhoods . Right now a lot of new buildings are being completed in some of the largest black neighborhoods . These neighborhoods traditionally are either working class black people or public housing. So people aren’t moving out with increases in rent. People are just moving into neighborhoods that are still very much full of their prior black residents. So any additional black people who might move into the required affordable units or general units are just adding to the overall amount of black people in the neighborhood. Keep in mind Covid slowed down gentrification in NYC heavily and it still hasn’t rebounded. Plus most of these new units are not being filled by transients moving to NYC because people are still wary of NYC in case there is a pandemic rebound.

I think I understand this. There certainly seems to be a greater appetite to be close to low income housing. All that new development around the Gawanus in Brooklyn is super close to Wykoff Gardens. Early gentrifiers like my former landlord moved into the area despite the high crime, but now things are very safe in the area.

At least in Brooklyn, it seems like a lot of development is in former industrial or retail areas. Dumbo has exploded with housing as has downtown. It felt like a new high rise went up every six years in the 2010’s.

The full dataset is in the Twitter thread. I wish I had time to investigate a bit more.

 

[IATT]

 

[Mark Antony]

In any event, I said I don't think I said it--not I didn't say it.

 

[TooOlfForThisIsh]

I can’t decide if this distinction is undergrad confusion about epistemology or a claim of having knowledge that is beyond judgement.

Obviously the information is evolving and the situation is changing. Especially with disparate access to vaccines with a highly transmissible virus, I think that any blanket statements about what should be done right now by laymen are dumb. Obviously, your statement from 12 days ago looked ridiculous a short time later. I think that’s proof enough.

Alas, the passage of time can undo even the experts…

 

[IATT]

dude got like 5 plays and he’s surprised people remember he aint got no left hand

“”

 

[Methodical Management]

I can’t decide if this distinction is undergrad confusion about epistemology or a claim of having knowledge that is beyond judgement.

This assumes he's acting in good faith - that the central question is if he believes in an argument or merely if the argument can be made.

Do you suspect that his goal is to convince or merely distract and save face?

He could've just said "Touché. I forgot I'd said that," which, incidentally, is the truth. Instead, his pride prevented him from admitting it, just as it prevents him, then as now, from calling Trump a racist - as if that is less embarrassing.

And yet, he also wants us to believe he's changed.

dude got like 5 plays and he’s surprised people remember he aint got no left hand

This is something people need to understand about Dwalk:

He has no bag. He's Sean Bradley on the block. He's Jan Vesely on the break. He's Mike Lindell at the lectern.
In the past, I've joked about him having a Tecmo Bowl playbook. Really, there aren't even four discrete plays - just minor variations of the same move.

He desperately needs to create ambiguity so he can rationalize selfish choices. That's it.
All these distinctions without a difference are the rhetorical equivalent of telling someone “hey, look behind you” and running away. He needs someone, anyone, to be curious or masochistic enough to validate these "arguments" via engagement, so he can drag them down some preposterous literary deconstructionist rabbit hole or nihilist both-sides take and shift the discussion away from the blatant, glaring contradiction staring you in the face.

Just don't bite on the head fake.

 

[Nike Jordan]

Civility is done they ended it.

They never really wanted "civility".

They just wanted the left to be "civil" so they could continue to be *******s.

 

[Nike Jordan]

dude got like 5 plays and he’s surprised people remember he aint got no left hand

 

[had pants]

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Obviously the information is evolving and the situation is changing. Especially with disparate access to vaccines with a highly transmissible virus, I think that any blanket statements about what should be done right now by laymen are dumb. Obviously, your statement from 12 days ago looked ridiculous a short time later. I think that’s proof enough.

Again what is ridiculous or incorrect about

"If you have an effective anti viral pill
And effective vaccines available vaccine you should wind down covid masking guidelines."

This is the case with flu, which has become endemic, we don't mask everywhere. We use vaccines and anti virals.


Again reliance on subject matter experts is not excuse to abandon use of your brain,
especially when the question has nothing to do with their expertise.

The expert can tell you about the science on the efficacy of masking.

The expert cannot tell you whether the cost benefit of masking when you have effective vaccines and anti viral pills is worth it.


And for the record the "experts" told us many incorrect things including, don't wear masks early in the pandemic.

i stopped listening to them and sourced a bunch of N95 masks for me an my family.

Should I have kept breathing in the incurable respiratory disease because the "experts" said you don't need the masks?

We closed our office way before the "experts" decided offices needed to be closed.
Should we have kept coming to work and breathing virus particles on each other because the "experts" said we could?

The "experts" in Canada still have not approved vaccines boosters, but the boarder is open so I'm taking older people in my family to get them in america.

Should I still do that or should I listen to the Canadian "experts" or is it at because the American "experts" said it's okay.


This "expert" **** is rotting peoples brains.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I'm honestly baffled how ANYONE, after this pandemic experience,
after the many obviously dumb things that public health officials said and did leading up to this

And come away with MORE trust in public health "experts"

 

[dwalk31]

This assumes he's acting in good faith - that the central question is if he believes in an argument or merely if the argument can be made.

Do you suspect that his goal is to convince or merely distract and save face?

He could've just said "Touché. I forgot I'd said that," which, incidentally, is the truth. Instead, his pride prevented him from admitting it, just as it prevents him, then as now, from calling Trump a racist - as if that is less embarrassing.

And yet, he also wants us to believe he's changed.


This is something people need to understand about Dwalk:

He has no bag. He's Sean Bradley on the block. He's Jan Vesely on the break. He's Mike Lindell at the lectern.
In the past, I've joked about him having a Tecmo Bowl playbook. Really, there aren't even four discrete plays - just minor variations of the same move.

He desperately needs to create ambiguity so he can rationalize selfish choices. That's it.
All these distinctions without a difference are the rhetorical equivalent of telling someone “hey, look behind you” and running away. He needs someone, anyone, to be curious or masochistic enough to validate these "arguments" via engagement, so he can drag them down some preposterous literary deconstructionist rabbit hole or nihilist both-sides take and shift the discussion away from the blatant, glaring contradiction staring you in the face.

Just don't bite on the head fake.

I’ve said touché on here before I believe. Even to you, when you actually make a point. But you didn’t this time.

It seems NT has the ability to understand nuance, except when it comes to my posts. What you’re doing is gaslighting.

For over a year posters in this thread demanded that I declare Trump a racist (as if my declaration mattered).

I consistently said I don’t know if he’s a racist, but I can certainly see how someone could come to that conclusion. junglejim posted several posts saying that. You are fully aware that’s been my position.

Despite knowing this, you find a single post of me saying I don’t think he is a racist. As if that is the same as saying definitively that Trump isn’t racist. Someone is not acting in good faith, but it isn’t me.

For the new posters in this thread, I consistently said I don’t know if Trump is a racist, but I understand how people could come to that conclusion based on his words and actions. I also stated that I do not know if President Biden is a racist based on his words and actions, particularly his rhetoric surrounding the crime bill. But I can see how someone could come to the conclusion that he his. I said this was in part because I don’t know them personally, but stated that certain actions such as a recording of them saying the N word would remove any need for knowing them personally to come to that conclusion for myself.

I also consistently disagreed with Trump’s words and actions throughout his presidency, particularly his statements regarding the confederate monuments.

If you’re going to provide a gotcha worthy of a touché, it needs to actually be a gotcha.

I still don’t think I’ve ever said Trump isn’t racist. In fact, I’ve said I think he or his team thinks it’s good politically to at the very least be ambiguous on the issue because a lot of people in his base are loud, proud racists.

But none of this matters. I stopped supporting Trump over a year ago. Whether I declare he’s a racist or not, I’ve admitted it was a mistake supporting him. I’ve come in here numerous times calling out his actions and words.

 

[plansb]

 

[dwalk31]

I'm honestly baffled how ANYONE, after this pandemic experience,
after the many obviously dumb things that public health officials said and did leading up to this

And come away with MORE trust in public health "experts"

I get what you’re saying, but you have to understand this rhetoric is dangerous.

In your case, you took more precautions due to your lack of trust. What about people who use this logic to do the opposite?

 

[IATT]

I consistently said I don’t know if he’s a racist, but I can certainly see how someone could come to that conclusion.

you ready to admit trump a racist yet?

or it’s still: “I could see how someone would come to that conclusion”

I literally repeated what you have said many many times

I asked a simple question.. say yes or no

not what conclusion someone may come to

say if over 50 years of evidence is enough for you dwalk31 to call that racist exactly what he is

 

[IATT]

This man really pulled a

 

[p0tat0 5alad]

Imagine if science was stagnate because the experts doubled down as hard as some folks on this page. It's okay to be wrong

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Opinion | Why Did It Take So Long to Accept the Facts About Covid? (Published 2021)

The importance of airborne transmission in the pandemic was clear long before the World Health Organization finally began to acknowledge it.

www.nytimes.com

the CDC and WHO were incredibly slow to update their guidance for aerosol spread vs droplets.
this led the them telling us we didn't need masks, and make sure to wash our hands for 20 seconds.

and you still have people spraying down kiosks with disinfectants today.

but nah you gotta "trust" the "experts"

more recently The Biden administration CORRECTLY overruled their scientific advisory committee
and said everyone should get boosters.

Sánchez (committee member) said he was concerned offering booster shots so broadly at this point would send the wrong message about how well the Covid vaccines are working.
“This is like saying the vaccine isn’t working. And it is working.”

when did virologists become marketing and social psychology experts?
but hey i guess i gotta listen to their half baked hot takes about "what message" boosters send to the public,


they are the experts after all.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Imagine if science was stagnate because the experts doubled down as hard as some folks on this page. It's okay to be wrong

that literally happened with droplets vs aerosol transmission.


where I am locally they closed public parks (low risk of transmission)
and kept some indoor restaurants open provided they wipe down the tables or some nonsense.

i ignored this and went to the park and ripped the plastic covers off the basketball rims,
and abstained from restaurants or bars.


Should I have trusted the experts instead, and went to a restaurant
so I could breath in virus particles while they pointlessly disinfected the tables?