***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[RustyShackleford]

Not critiquing interracial marriage. I have dated women of all shades and shapes and will continue to do so until someone locks me down. I just think Dyson uses a lot of word salad and cultural bird whistles to seem hyper intelligent and in touch with a complicated issue that is more of a debate than a monologue. Also just like Jordan Peterson he will monetize this issue if he see’s a market it for it with books and speeches.. It’s a style critique not a content one…. Well mostly

With that said I think he is missing the point of successful black women dating men who are not black . I say this as someone who is in that dating pool of high earning black men (in relations to my Race/Gender) and date those women myself . Dark skinned black women are loved and pursued just like light skin women and vice versa based on gender at most economic levels. The real critique is the lack of black men in general at the higher economic level where the majority of black women are who are more likely to participate in interracial dating and having interracial marriages. There isn’t a rejection by either side, just a lack of access and economic compatibility of the majority of Black men with high economic earning black women. Look at Kamala Harris.

The issue (if you think there is one) is more black men don’t have financially viable jobs to realistically approach that group of women unless those women settle for relationships where they will be the breadwinners. Honestly something some will do, some will find black men who can match financially, some will marry men who can match them and don’t focus in race. It’s not color based, it’s financial compatibility.

It’s a issue that he is catering to one side (black women) but it’s a painful issue for everyone involved. Is he looking to profit off of it as a public intellectual? We’ll see if he writes a book about it. That video is a swipe at black men, he’s done it often when intergender issues arise. The black men who critique these relationships are a drop compared to the whole. Just like black women who critique black men who date or marry nonblack women. Most people are too busy to care. However it is a REAL issue in relations to love and relationships among black people that very few people can discuss without being provoked into blaming the other side.

With that said watch what I think is one of the greatest conversations ever recorded.

I didn't think you were critiquing interracial marriage

I thought you were critiquing Peterson vs Dyson

And I think that it is a horrible comparison

I don't rock with everything Dyson says but he is not the equivalent of Peterson. To do that, you have to really be charitable to what Jordan Peterson does

Their rhetorical styles are different and Dyson willingly admits his views represent a more progressive arm within the world of black thought, he admits there is not a consensus around how he sees things within the black community. Peterson presents himself are representing the mainstream view of people that is somehow being suppressed by illiberal forces on the left.

Peterson makes up cultural forces and ideologies to rant against. Dyson doesn't

Say you don't rock with either of them but I think the comparison you bad is plain and simple

 

[RustyShackleford]

In all this discussion I wonder if people consider that a black woman just fell in love with a man that happens to be white and married him. Just leave it at that

Like damn, a progressive black woman might get on the court and this the **** people are talking about

Good grief

 

[Wargames]

I didn't think you were critiquing interracial marriage

I thought you were critiquing Peterson vs Dyson

And I think that it is a horrible comparison

I don't rock with everything Dyson says but he is not the equivalent of Peterson rhetorically

Their rhetorical styles are different and Dyson willingly admits his views represent a more progressive arm within the world of black thought, he admits there is not a consensus around how he sees things within the black community. Peterson presents himself are representing the mainstream view of people that is somehow being suppressed by illiberal forces on the left.

Peterson makes up cultural forces and ideologies to rant against. Dyson doesn't

Say you don't rock with either of them but I think the comparison you bad is plain and simple bad

It was a style critique

Both use word salads and bird whistles to appear smarter
Both are quick to monetize issues with books, tours, and videos.
Both cater to a specific demographic because those are the people most likely to buy their books.

Content is very different, also Peterson “prime” years was him on drugs.

 

[Wargames]

In all this discussion I wonder if people consider that a black woman just fell in love with a man that happens to be white and married him. Just leave it at that

Like damn, a progressive black woman might get on the court and this the **** people are talking about

Good grief

I believe in that too, but the reason the % is higher than other demographics is deep.

 

[RustyShackleford]

It was a style critique

Both use word salads and bird whistles to appear smarter
Both are quick to monetize issues with books
Both cater to a specific demographic because those are the people most likely to but their books.

Content is very different, also Peterson “prime” years was him on drugs.

And I think this assessment is so narrow it is almost meaningless

Basically, they are similar because they speak like academics, write books, and appeal to people within their own racial group.

Ok

 

[RustyShackleford]

I believe in that too, but the reason the % is higher than other demographics is deep.

Don't black men marry white women at higher rates than the other way around?

So even if someone wants to go in-depth about the forces driving black-white relationships starting with the choices of high earning black women seems like a weird place to start

 

[RustyShackleford]

I think what mainly happening right now is that Dyson comes off like he is coming at black men, and people are having a reaction to that

 

[Wargames]

Don't black men marry white women at higher rates than the other way around?

So even if someone wants to go in-depth about the forces driving black-white relationships starting with the choices of high earning black women seems like a weird place to start

It’s all the same issue though. That’s what I am saying and if you are looking to write a successful book about it, the black demographic that earns the most is a great place to start.

 

[Wargames]

And I think this assessment is so narrow it is almost meaningless

Basically, they are similar because they speak like academics, write books, and appeal to people within their own racial group.

Ok

…. Yes but they don’t speak/write like most academics. They aren’t seeking peer reviews. They really lean on the word salad mixed with cultural bird whistles to impress their crowd. Most academics write for academics, they write for people who want to quote an academic. The more word salad the better because it gives people the ability to jump around their writing looking for meaning.

 

[gry60]

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[RustyShackleford]

…. Yes but they don’t speak/write like most academics. They aren’t seeking peer reviews. They really lean on the word salad mixed with cultural bird whistles to impress their crowd. Most academics write for academics, they write for people who want to quote an academic. The more word salad the better because it gives people the ability to jump around their writing looking for meaning.

I think he writes like one.

Dyson's vocabulary seems to me on the same level as most academics, his delivery seems to be more like a preacher at times. Sure it would serve him to be more direct at times, but I can follow his points just find.

Peterson literally tries to change the definition of words when arguing his point.

So yeah, I don't see it

 

[letsgetit22]

Marry who you want. But it's still going to spark my curiosity as to why, when I see a successful black person In an interracial marriage. ‍♂
Also interesting that successful people from other cultures don't typically marry less successful black men or women.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Marry who you want. But it's still going to spark my curiosity as to why, when I see a successful black person In an interracial marriage. ‍♂
Also interesting that successful people from other cultures don't typically marry less successful black men or women.

What does this have to do with this situation?

 

[letsgetit22]

This discussion? Nothing at all. But, it does relate to the overall reason a lot of black people have an issue with interracial marriage.

 

[RustyShackleford]

This discussion? Nothing at all. But, it does relate to the overall reason a lot of black people have an issue with interracial marriage.

Welp if that is true, then they shouldn't have an issue with Ketanji Brown Jackson's marriage

 

[elpablo21]

Can't forgive AOC for letting Seth Brogan wife her up

 

[IATT]

Love whoever you wanna love

but please.. pretty please.. do ya homework if you going have a mixed child

adults sign up for the dumb shhh

but the children.. give them a fighting chance

try to learn about the F’d up things they could potentially face from society.. learn things like how to properly do or care for the hair and skin for the ethnicity of that child

please

 

[letsgetit22]

Welp if that is true, then they shouldn't have an issue with Ketanji Brown Jackson's marriage

Sure. But would they be married if she wasn't on his level of success?
Statistics say its unlikely.

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

 

[TooOlfForThisIsh]

He really ended big.

 

[TooOlfForThisIsh]

but the children.. give them a fighting chance

try to learn about the F’d up things they could potentially face from society.. learn things like how to properly do or care for the hair and skin for the ethnicity of that child

You’re just describing what it means to be a parent. Every child will face their own set of challenges. Your job as a parent is to anticipate as much as you can, protect them from what they can’t handle yet, teach them how to not need you, and give them the skills to deal with the things you didn’t even think about.

I don’t think I’m special; every parent knows this is the mission, the responsibility, the privilege.

 

[IATT]

 

[Wargames]

So we went from the daughters of the confederacy to the moms for liberty? From statues dedicated to monsters to now pretending they didn’t do monstrous stuff?

History doesn’t repeat but it sure does tend to rhyme, and a certain set of people just don’t want to admit they are the children of America’s greatest crime.

 

[dinyc3st]