***Official Political Discussion Thread***

If Freedom of Navigation is all the US is fighting for, why not clear out the Red Sea AND the Israeli blockade of Gaza?

This must be rhetorical since any socialist worth his salt knows that the purpose of the military in a capitalist regime is primarily to protect capital interests and secondarily to further those interests.

American capital has a vested interest in the Red Sea, not in the abstract notion of “Freedom of Navigation”

And since this is the politics thread, someone should point out that Biden’s biggest political liability is inflation which has been driven by energy costs and supply chain problems. There is a cynical calculation that would price Palestinian lives in terms of points of headline inflation via November 2024 votes, but I suspect the implications of that is a bit more than this thread can handle.
 
I’m no pro drone strike.

Deal with it
Ok cool

I read books and articles and do research to stay informed and to gain proper context

Deal with it

If your *** is too lazy to be an informed adult, yet you still want to comment, expect someone might disagree sometimes

Whatever privilege you expect on NT, I don't have to respect it either. You can go outside and get it.
 
My working model for US foreign policy in the ME is that it primarily is designed to protect continued oil production. There are secondary goals and such, but this simple principal explains most of our foreign intervention. If there’s a better model, I’d be glad to replace mine.
 
Ok cool

I read books and articles and do research to stay informed and to gain proper context

Deal with it

If your *** is too lazy to be an informed adult, yet you still want to comment, expect someone might disagree

Whatever privilege you expect on NT, I don't have to respect it either. You can go outside and get it.

You know how to read? Me too!

Heaven forbid someone has a different opinion than you. Not everyone has to coddle your beliefs in here and have you butt hurt when people disagree. It’s a public forum, get over yourself.
 
Everyone here wants a better, more just world (however they define it,) but we are all coming from our own distinct epistemological silos (albeit with a good deal of overlap) and this is a preview of how internet discourse will be going for the foreseeable future. The global stakes get higher and higher just as information transmission becomes splintered.

There's no going back to the days of monoculture so we, all of us here and out across the world have to figure out how to have meaningful discourse despite the fact that we have different sets of facts and media consumption habits.
 
You know how to read? Me too!

Heaven forbid someone has a different opinion than you. Not everyone has to coddle your beliefs in here and have you butt hurt when people disagree. It’s a public forum, get over yourself.
Dude, you are the only person acting like a victim because people disagreed with you.

I need coddling? :lol:

Dude I am open to debate anyone.

You are the one that pearl clutches and gets dismissive when they get some pushback.

All you are doing here is projecting

Like I said, your privilege doesn't work here.

Spare me
 
You don’t think the effects of conflict broadening through that region would be inflationary?
I think if the conflict becomes so large it disrupts global trade on a large scale, or oil supply, then yes that would be inflationary.

But that is how not your argument reads.

It sounds like you are saying Biden's stance on Gaza is related to keeping inflation down in order to maintain votes come November

Which to me makes no sense to me.
 
I know the alternative is far far worse if republicans win the presidency again and I have no conflict about who I’d rather see win the election it’s a no brainer but I have a lot of close Palestinian friends (not that that’s a requirement to understand right or wrong regarding this you don’t need to know people personally to have empathy) and I understand how deeply conflicted regarding their feelings towards Biden and hurt they are right now given the situation especially considering there is no better alternative only a worse one regarding who is president of the country next.

I think it’s important to remember and keep at the center of this conversation there are real people on the ground who’s lives are being destroyed and lost and it’s affecting peoples extended family across the world, emotions are high I don’t think we should lose sight of that in the discussion and let things devolve into callous arguments and presenting things in antagonistic or sarcastic ways to try to get under someone’s skin it doesn’t really help anyone
 
What are you even trying to say man? It’s like you dug into a jar and grabbed a bunch of cool words and threw them into a post. :lol:

I don’t agree with you and will not agree with drone strikes. That’s not being a victim.
 
Those of us that watched the genocide livestream will only remember images like this come November:

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What are you even trying to say man? It’s like you dug into a jar and grabbed a bunch of cool words and threw them into a post. :lol:

I don’t agree with you and will not agree with drone strikes. That’s not being a victim.
This post is dumb

It is like you can't decide if you want to whine, or act unbothered
 

This is beautiful to see was just having a discussion with some homies the other day about taxes and the IRS. The problem with the IRS is because it was handicapped not that it is just choosing not to go after the wealthy. If it’s funded right and given the tools and staff it will work like it disposed to like all government institutions can when republicans are not trying to break em and weaken them.
 
I don’t agree with you and will not agree with drone strikes.
Isn't this disagreement a bit one-sided?

There have been drone and missile attacks by Houthis on ships that may or may not be related to Israel since October. What's the US president to do? What about all the other Mediterranean countries that rely on this route? Should they not intervene? Especially after having warned the Houthis multiple times?
 
This is beautiful to see was just having a discussion with some homies the other day about taxes and the IRS. The problem with the IRS is because it was handicapped not that it is just choosing not to go after the wealthy. If it’s funded right and given the tools and staff it will work like it disposed to like all government institutions can when republicans are not trying to break em and weaken them.
One of the most successful conservative projects has been turning the country against the Administrative state through defunding, underfunding, and putting in place administrative burdens

A well funded Administrative state that works to keep the private sector accountable, and eliminate administrative burdens would be greatly beneficial to the country

And such a system cost less in the long run
 
I know the alternative is far far worse if republicans win the presidency again and I have no conflict about who I’d rather see win the election it’s a no brainer but I have a lot of close Palestinian friends (not that that’s a requirement to understand right or wrong regarding this you don’t need to know people personally to have empathy) and I understand how deeply conflicted regarding their feelings towards Biden and hurt they are right now given the situation especially considering there is no better alternative only a worse one regarding who is president of the country next.

I think it’s important to remember and keep at the center of this conversation there are real people on the ground who’s lives are being destroyed and lost and it’s affecting peoples extended family across the world, emotions are high I don’t think we should lose sight of that in the discussion and let things devolve into callous arguments and presenting things in antagonistic or sarcastic ways to try to get under someone’s skin it doesn’t really help anyone
Serious question, what do your friends prefer Biden to do? I am not asking to be coy but sincerely curious

I think people have to realize that American voters do not care about anything that happens outside of our borders regarding foreign policy, full stop. This red sea business, this Israel Palestine conflct is so minute in comparison (politically) to a litany of domestic issue in the grand scheme of the election. Even the Ukraine war is a nothing burger compared to Roe v Wade, inflation and other items this year.
 
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