***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[RustyShackleford]

I just got in line to caucus. Joint is long as hell

Bernie squad outchea heavy

 

[gwap]

Dude doesn't even fact check the material he uses to form an opinion

How can he add anything of value to a real conversation?

 

[utvol23]

I just got in line to caucus. Joint is long as hell

Bernie squad outchea heavy

Are you in Vegas Rusty?

 

[jpzx]

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[gwap]

We do need to talk about major reform in certain pillars of society no matter who Obama's successor is.
 

generalized talk like that are what get people elected who have no real plan to do anything.

Speak of specific economic/social plans that you want to see implemented in detail.

 

[AEA18]

 

[cl-1b]

 
Dude doesn't even fact check the material he uses to form an opinion

How can he add anything of value to a real conversation?

why don't you go fact check the judge who read the legislation. Show me a link where he's speaking on the issue and retracted his comments because he was wrong. You can't do that because it doesn't exist. Only thing he said is that legislation never made law. The whole point of that was to show the agenda fam.. check yourself and the lying leftist sources your speaking of and support

 

[deleted]

Bernie actually honeymooned in the Soviet Union(!). He also visited Cuba and attended celebrations for the Sandanista revolution in Nicaragua.

It's not that crazy to say he has communist sympathies. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I guess this will be Bernie's version of "Obama is a Muslim"

 

[Belgium]

Wow

 

[Nike Jordan]

The Guardian's live results are fun to look at.

 

[blco02]

More "luck" for Hillary today. Remember the 6 coin flips that she won every one of in Iowa? Now she's winning card draws in Nevada

"In Las Vegas fashion, ties among caucus-goers are settled by pulling from a deck of cards. The higher number wins, and card ties are broken by suit.

In Precinct 10, Clinton drew an ace while Sanders drew a six, according to a tweet from a Wall Street Journal reporter.
That, the paper reported, gave Clinton three delegates to Sanders' two from that precinct"

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/270148-clinton-wins-precinct-with-pocket-ace

 

[superblytrife]

Coin flips and card draws.

'Murica.

Can we all agree that this aspect of voting/politics is absolutely ridiculous? I don't care who you support. The fact that political races can be won/lost on the randomness of a coin flip is absurd.

 

[Nike Jordan]

Trillary has won the Nevada caucus, according to multiple reports.

 

[deleted]

Coin flips and card draws.

'Murica.

Can we all agree that this aspect of voting/politics is absolutely ridiculous? I don't care who you support. The fact that political races can be won/lost on the randomness of a coin flip is absurd.

Yeah it's a little strange

Seems archaic

 

[Betonblck]

Hillary got this. Now on to South Carolina.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I just got in line to caucus. Joint is long as hell

Bernie squad outchea heavy

Are you in Vegas Rusty?

Was saying in town, I stay out in Henderson mostly with my girl, but I caucused in LV this morning since I still got an apartment there.

I about to move out the city though and head back to the DMV

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-Bern swayed all over Hilldawg at my location. My room was like 31-9 Bernie. Hillary supporters were kinda salty, the dudes, but they behave much better behaved than the Bernie crowd.

I swear Bernie's coalition is like 25% of the nicest people you will meet, 25% stoners, and 25% *** holes, and 25% Clinton haters.

-I didn't even sit with the Bernie crew because there was enough seats, and a couple of them were ranting about civil rights and not understanding why "the blacks" like Clinton

-Sat with the 2 undecided voters, and 1 O'Malley hold out

-There were like 6 ole head black cats in chopper suits dere. I though they were pimps looking for talent. They tipped their caucus leader a $1 I heard

-I chopped it up with this one herbal environmentalist chick that was there, short was in her late 30s but like smokin . I could tell she was a savage but I behave.

-Voted for Bern doe. He is the best candidate, period.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Coin flips and card draws.

'Murica.

Can we all agree that this aspect of voting/politics is absolutely ridiculous? I don't care who you support. The fact that political races can be won/lost on the randomness of a coin flip is absurd.

I see nothing wrong really with it, it is a caucus, it is a different beast.

But primaries is the way most states do primaries anyway.

My main beef with caucuses that they take too long, which is a disincentive for people to participate in the first place.

 

[RustyShackleford]

-So did Bernie, he vote for that crime bill, after he openly acknowledge it would hurt black people. So **** both of them on that.


-Secondly, it matters if someone understand how white supremacy works.


Because if you're gonna imply that social democracy is gonna solve most of the black communities problems, yet ignore the fact that white supremacy and social democracy can live in harmony. I have right to call him out on that


-I already said I voting for Sanders plenty of times, I was saying that to some black folk, a Clinton v. Bernie choice is a pick your poison type decision. And I can understand that way of thinking.


I can expand on this later, but yeah, "who the hell cares with someone understands white supremacy"


Well I care, tons of black people care. Everyone should care, especially Bernie supporters.


And that's dismissive attitude is why Bernie is struggling to make reasonable gain on Clinton within the black community

Great point on Bernie supporting the 1994 bill. 

This question about the relationship between white supremacy and social democracy is complex, but I think the main point is this. Bernie Sanders has put forward a socially democratic plan that calls for a dramatic expansion of the welfare state. He believes that through universal policy programs (health, college education, etc.) we can solve wealth inequality. As I understand him, the reason he is for universal policies is not because he thinks they will be the antidote to white supremacy or solve the problems facing black people in this country. I think his views are more complicated than the kind of white leftist class not race, universal not particular, mode of argumentation. He views reparations, for instance, as divisive--and, in terms of selling the idea to white working- and middle-class voters upon whom he depends--it is. 

When understood as more than just a slogan and as the top layer of variable, historically contingent political economic regimes, white supremacy is quite complicated. I actually don't think most people understand how the varieties of white supremacy operate and so I have a hard time buying the whole "tons of black people care." It relies on an abstract slogan to make an argument that is really no more than a generalization. 

-You don't have to be aware of all the ways white supremacy manifest itself to care about it. Most black people care that they are being oppressed by the dominant white society, but not all black people are aware about the machine works.

Secondly, I don't think Bernie Sanders understand how white supremacy manifest itself. He gets there is racism, he gets there is racial injustice, but he doesn't get that even if all these universal programs passed, their will be private interest, and local government that try to systematically hurt/prey on minority communities

White supremacy evolved after slavery, it evolved after the new deal, it evolved after the Civil Rights act, so Bernie should anticipate it will evolved even if he delivers the land of milk, honey, and socialism to America.

Hell the objections to Obamacare, especially expanding Medicaid, and rooted in white supremacy. But instead of calling that out, Bernie wants to use the talking point of "Obamacare wasn't enough", to push his single payer system.

The relationship between social democracy and white supremacy is not a complex one IMO

They can happy live together. Just that white supremacy has to make a few changes

-Back to the economics, Bernie never mentioned the 5% growth level. But his policy director has, lets keep it #1HUNNA that is a cosign from the campaign

Secondly when another proponent of a single payer system question again the cot savings, LINK, out t that wants single payer questioned the cost savings. The same dude shaded they study

This motivated a bunch of high profile liberal economist to plead with the Sander's campaign to not indulge in the same fairy tale thinking as the GOP does. LINK

Criticizing Bernie is not endorsing Hillary. But Bernie and his campaign seem to think that being dismissive of legit questions, and only taking them serious when it suits them is a wise strategy.

Whether it be about white supremacy of basic economic expectations

 

[obeahmyal7]

-You don't have to be aware of all the ways white supremacy manifest itself to care about it. Most black people care that they are being oppressed by the dominant white society, but not all black people are aware about the machine works.

Secondly, I don't think Bernie Sanders understand how white supremacy manifest itself. He gets there is racism, he gets there is racial injustice, but he doesn't get that even if all these universal programs passed, their will be private interest, and local government that try to systematically hurt/prey on minority communities

White supremacy evolved after slavery, it evolved after the new deal, it evolved after the Civil Rights act, so Bernie should anticipate it will evolved even if he delivers the land of milk, honey, and socialism to America.

Hell the objections to Obamacare, especially expanding Medicaid, and rooted in white supremacy. But instead of calling that out, Bernie wants to use the talking point of "Obamacare wasn't enough", to push his single payer system.

The relationship between social democracy and white supremacy is not a complex one IMO

They can happy live together. Just that white supremacy has to make a few changes

-Back to the economics, Bernie never mentioned the 5% growth level. But his policy director has, lets keep it #1HUNNA that is a cosign from the campaign

Secondly when another proponent of a single payer system question again the cot savings, LINK, out t that wants single payer questioned the cost savings. The same dude shaded they study

This motivated a bunch of high profile liberal economist to plead with the Sander's campaign to not indulge in the same fairy tale thinking as the GOP does. LINK

Criticizing Bernie is not endorsing Hillary. But Bernie and his campaign seem to think that being dismissive of legit questions, and only taking them serious when it suits them is a wise strategy.

Whether it be about white supremacy of basic economic expectations

Aside from the point about white supremacy, I don't disagree with you here. Respect. 

 

[blco02]

Shots fired:

Hillary Clinton to Young People: "It Can't Be Just About What We're Going To Give To You"


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._be_about_what_were_going_to_give_to_you.html

 

[RustyShackleford]

Shots fired:

Hillary Clinton to Young People: "It Can't Be Just About What We're Going To Give To You"


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._be_about_what_were_going_to_give_to_you.html

-What's wrong with what she is saying. She is telling young people to get involved in their communities?

That getting relief, even fixing some of the systemic challenges young people face is not enough. Help your community out too

 

[Nike Jordan]

 

[Nike Jordan]

Jeb! Bush is dropping out. His campaign was sadder than an ASPCA commercial.

 

[deuce king]

It's the end of the line for Jeb Bush. So long.

 

[slighted]

It's the end of the line for Jeb Bush. So long.

So much money wasted on this "campaign."