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I don't think anyone here actually wants Oprah to run, we're just saying that if she does run, would you vote for her?
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Well, at least the conjecture that there is a libbie echo chamber in here is being disproved today
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I already said I would prefer serious politicans only. But it it is choice between Oprah and Trump, the choice is pretty damn easy.
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I'm not looking to defend everything that leftists candidates do.
For the sake of this conversation, I'm basically saying that you guys on the center left will be able to count on a super majority of leftists votes, in a general election, as long as you meet this one low bar. Nominate a professional. You're coming back with the "you'll get nothing and like it" routine. If you can't even nominate a professional and to me that is the trigger point where I will feel liberated to actually start applying purity tests because I know that your side is not serious about assembling a coalition and governing.
We gave 83% of our vote, in 2016, to a candidate who called us "basement dwellers," the bar is low here. If you can't clear that bar, the message to much of the coalition is that we never will have a voice within the party. yeah we'll have no future as third parties or in the GOP but if the king making plurality of the Democratic Party is going to make its nominating decisions with an eye towards deliberately antagonizing other parts of the coalition, it could get ugly in the general election when we will need unity in order to throw out not just Trump but whole swaths of GOP incumbents.
Now with that said, if Oprah shows some leftists bona fides, I think we could easily abide a novice as our nominee.
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Unless we have a parliamentary system, we're pretty much stuck with an equilibrium of two viable parties for everything above local elections.
I, personally, would vote for her in a general.
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Jedi party? From what the movies have shown us, the Jedi Council are basically Republicans without the racism.
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Going to use Bernie as an example here but would y'all be comfortable voting for someone of Bernie's age in 2020? He'll be 79.
Obviously he's got plenty of energy and appears to be in great mental shape but a lot can change in just a few years. I'm sure most people have encountered situations with elderly people going from absolutely fine to a rapid cognitive or physical decline in just a few years.
Mainly referring to the primaries as the general election is just a binary choice. In that context, how big of a problem would the age factor be? If at all.
I remember this was a pretty common theme over here during the 2016 election. Much of it aimed at Bernie but I heard a lot of complaints about all the main candidates' age actually.
Our system of government is very different of course and the prime minister of Belgium doesn't exactly stack up to the POTUS in terms of how demanding and stressful it is. But I don't see myself voting for someone past the age of 70 for such a position. I have no issue with it for parliament and other government positions but age gained a lot of importance for me due to my personal experiences having worked with the elderly and seeing my granddad go from regularly socializing, working in the garden, being very interested in science, ... in his early 70s to not being able to recognize me at all just a few years later. Hypothetically, if I were a US voter I don't see myself voting for a 75+ year old presidential candidate outside of a binary choice between that individual and Trump or another Republican in the general election.
Obviously he's got plenty of energy and appears to be in great mental shape but a lot can change in just a few years. I'm sure most people have encountered situations with elderly people going from absolutely fine to a rapid cognitive or physical decline in just a few years.
Mainly referring to the primaries as the general election is just a binary choice. In that context, how big of a problem would the age factor be? If at all.
I remember this was a pretty common theme over here during the 2016 election. Much of it aimed at Bernie but I heard a lot of complaints about all the main candidates' age actually.
Our system of government is very different of course and the prime minister of Belgium doesn't exactly stack up to the POTUS in terms of how demanding and stressful it is. But I don't see myself voting for someone past the age of 70 for such a position. I have no issue with it for parliament and other government positions but age gained a lot of importance for me due to my personal experiences having worked with the elderly and seeing my granddad go from regularly socializing, working in the garden, being very interested in science, ... in his early 70s to not being able to recognize me at all just a few years later. Hypothetically, if I were a US voter I don't see myself voting for a 75+ year old presidential candidate outside of a binary choice between that individual and Trump or another Republican in the general election.
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As long as MY PRESIDENT ELECT sits on the Throne then nothing to worry about. Covfefe, Big Macs and 0 exercise is the key to longevity. Coal plays a big role as well.
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Well said Comrade, especially the final sentence.
You should see what da libbies here are doing to the edge of my town
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Well said Comrade, especially the final sentence.
You should see what da libbies here are doing to the edge of my town
Hate to do it to a fellow COAL GANG member but.................
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Will this get her in trouble in any way?
Grassley clearly had no intention of releasing it after acting like he's fine with releasing it if Fusion's lawyers were. He then proceeded to act like that never happened.
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You like do this thing, you did it a ton as a libertarian and you do it as a socialist. Saying something you claim is innocuous and expect people to ignore the racial implications of it. Also, conflating groups so you can sound like you are criticizing one but you are criticizing the other
Of the “non professionals” you mentioned, anyone paying attention knows only Oprah has a serious chance right now. And clearly by your follow up comments you know that it is through the black vote, let us not be coy.
The center left in your argument is no affluent white liberals, it is black Southerner votes (especially women), that is who your issue is with who they might nominate. That is who you want to not nominate a professional and that is who you will claim you will purity test that doesn’t want good governance.
The thing is, if you came out said “black Southern voters” or “black women” your argument becomes pretty entitled and kind of laughable real quick.
So....
You want to preach to black people how much a group has voted consistently for a specific party and feels ignored?
You want to talk about how you will have no choice to purity test black people’s desire for good governance?
You want to complain about leftist being told they get nothing and fall in line to black voters?
You want to talk about how much leftist feel antagonized by other members of the coalition?
By all means, get it off your chest pheighboi
Don’t be coy and hide behind calling me or black voters “the center left”. Don’t be a lame like Bernie with his BS dog whistle of “Southern state have too much power and distort things”. Say what you mean, that if black people make a choice leftist don’t like one more time, they will choose to no longer be in a coalition with them.
As a mental exercise let us consider…..
What if the black community said “No Northerners” (doesn’t matter the gender or race, doesn’t matter if it is Michelle Obama or Oprah, just no northerner’s), they have failed urban areas not only by not fighting for them and most of us live in the South anyways. That seems fair enough, they want a candidate closer to where the base is located. And if the Democratic Party nominates one, **** it will form our own party.
I can guarantee the leftist will hate that. They come with the same “we have to be united talk”, say how much better Sanders or Warren is than Trump is. They will dread the thought of one part of a coalition sinking the entire ship like that.
Then you gonna say something like if Oprah turns out to be a leftist things might change.
Ignoring the fact that completely undercuts your argument of not wanting a novice, to continue with my point...But what if to avoid that these voters then say, “Ok, for the sake of unity just focus on civil rights issues and helping our communities”…..Oh yeah I forgot, leftist also requested after 2016 that racial justice rhetoric take a backseat come election time because it pisses off white swing voters. “just trust them, they will sneak it through when it office, just don’t make us talk about it during election”
This entire argument assumes that leftist is this oppressed minority with the Democratic Party, and strangely, the group that break the camel’s back is the choices of black voters. Really!? Negro please.
And I'm not talking about any nominee there. This is the nonsense that comes from TYT, Jacobin, and Chapo. Because I remember 12 months ago how much leftist were complaining about "identity politics".
Choosing the Democratic nominee is probably the only time the black vote is truly empowered. So, like I said, will we have a primary, a wide-open primary, and if leftist find the choices of black voters, especially black women, so objectionable, then by all means they should do what they feel is best.
And bounce.
Don’t put yourselves through this level of neglect and incompetency from the center left....excuse me, from black voters.
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Nah I've seen what happens when the Jedi are involved in politics. I'll pass.
In other news:
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That dude's haircut always makes me uncomfortable.
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So what can I make from this Fusion stuff
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Bannon out at Breitbart.
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Just need Sheriff Joe and the Trumpster to be out from living and the cycle will be complete.
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If i had Bannon's email I would hit him up and tell him that he is a strong white alpha male at top of the gene pool. And not to take this nonsense from these ****s. Declare all out Civil War on the right and teach these clowns a lesson
That is want Hilter would do, and I believe in him.
Then sit back and watch the carnage.
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I guess the backpedaling didn't workout for Bannon
