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In the political discussion thread, I discuss the political implications of allegations. The horror.

If this were the detective or mystery thread, I’d be more inclined to reach conclusions based on limited facts on party lines—as many in here do.

You want a comment on the substance other than “we will see” when you have limited facts and spin from both sides.
You seem to have no issue reaching conclusions based on limited facts when it benefits your arguments.
 
The requirement is that the 'thing of value' must be in excess of $2500. As part of the effort to pressure Ukraine into investigating Trump's political opponents, Giuliani met with Ukrainian officials in both Paris and Madrid. Evidently it was valuable enough to spend money on a trip to Madrid and back to the US, and a trip to Paris and back to the US. It's unclear if there were additional meetings abroad.
Additionally, the call transcript shows that Zelensky invited Giuliani to meet in Kiev.
 
So if I look at the pages of Sociology Textbook, without reading the pages, I know if to make conclusions about the information in it.

Please shut the hell up with this garbage *** excuse. You are only making yourself looking more idiotic.

You realize that you are telling me I didn’t read something... that I read.

We can agree to disagree on what I read. Hint: I know better than you what I read.
 
Of course I have. Now answer the question.

At the time of making that post, did you or did you not read all 448 pages?

What post? I don’t know what post is being referenced. When it was posted, and in what time in relation to the dropping of the Mueller report.

You’re asking me to answer based on a premise I contend with. Anyone who wants to find that post can, and I will stand by what I wrote.

I read the legal conclusions of the Mueller report. And have subsequently read the entire report. I read the report the day it was released. I stand by any posts I made. Now the characterization of the timeline by you and Rusty I don’t know anything about.

Perhaps member berries aren’t as strong as reality.
 
What post? I don’t know what post is being referenced. When it was posted, and in what time in relation to the dropping of the Mueller report.

You’re asking me to answer based on a premise I contend with. Anyone who wants to find that post can, and I will stand by what I wrote.

I read the legal conclusions of the Mueller report. And have subsequently read the entire report. I read the report the day it was released. I stand by any posts I made. Now the characterization of the timeline by you and Rusty I don’t know anything about.

Perhaps member berries aren’t as strong as reality.
"I don't know what post is being referenced" is clearly a lie because I literally quoted it when I asked you the question.

You now admit that you subsequently read the entire report. Thank you for clearing up that you are lying in every instance where you pretend you require all the facts before opining.

In fact you were the first person tto post the report in the thread upon its release. You dismissed it as a nothingburger without reading all 448 pages.
Report's out. No collusion or conspiracy with Russia by the Trump campaign or by Trump. No conclusion the President committed any crime as it relates to obstruction of justice. Applicable standard is innocent unless proven guilty. Trump remains innocent as he has not been proven guilty. Nothingburger and no more "but have you seen the report."

For anyone that has not:

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf
 
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"I don't know what post is being referenced" is clearly a lie because I literally quoted it when I asked you the question.

You now admit that you subsequently read the entire report. Thank you for clearing up that you are lying in every instance where you pretend you require all the facts before opining.

Subsequent to reading the conclusions of the report. Not subsequent to posting my conclusion based on my reading of the report.

And the post you quoted, “finally some honesty about the nothingburger-ness of the Mueller Report” is obviously in reference to someone posting something I agreed with. That context will likely alleviate any confusion.

To try to pretend like that post somehow means I created an opinion before reading the report is silly and—itself—a conclusion based on facts you’ve made up, ironically.

Edit: Anyone can choose any facts that support their narrative and run with them. Many in here do that. My point is that instead of playing detective, I rather look at the political implications and discuss those. Your lengthy posts about what may or may not be true contribute to the thread significantly. But I do not have to adopt your detective approach to posting.
 
Subsequent to reading the conclusions of the report. Not subsequent to posting my conclusion based on my reading of the report.

And the post you quoted, “finally some honesty about the nothingburger-ness of the Mueller Report” is obviously in reference to someone posting something I agreed with. That context will likely alleviate any confusion.

To try to pretend like that post somehow means I created an opinion before reading the report is silly and—itself—a conclusion based on facts you’ve made up, ironically.

As soon as the report came out, you described it as a nothingburger. I was hoping you would point out the excuse that the previous post was in response to someone else, because this one was not.
There is nothing wrong with issuing an opinion based on the available information, which makes your selective use of it all the more pointless.
Report's out. No collusion or conspiracy with Russia by the Trump campaign or by Trump. No conclusion the President committed any crime as it relates to obstruction of justice. Applicable standard is innocent unless proven guilty. Trump remains innocent as he has not been proven guilty. Nothingburger and no more "but have you seen the report."

For anyone that has not:

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf
 
As soon as the report came out, you described it as a nothingburger. I was hoping you would point out the excuse that the previous post was in response to someone else, because this one was not.

I stand by everything written there. That is a separate post. It deliberately outlines the conclusions from which I based my conclusion. Everything written there is factually accurate.
 
I stand by everything written there. That is a separate post. It deliberately outlines the conclusions from which I based my conclusion. Everything written there is factually accurate.
Then why can you not opine on any substantive matters relating to potential misconduct by the president or his associates other than "flop" or "we will see"?
Nothing stopped you from labeling the report as a nothingburger despite only reading the conclusions.
 
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