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Thing is in this political climate not wanting to be taken seriously isn't a detriment to your campaign :lol

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What the **** is going on in that convention? :rollin Fat dude in a speedo dancing.
 
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I don't really get the point of not voting if you're invested in politics. If both presidential nominees are bad, why not just vote for the one you think is the least bad? It's gonna be one or the other either way.

Maybe it's because over here we have mandatory voting and I'm forced to vote for something.
 
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Colombia said:
I don't really get the point of not voting if you're invested in politics. If both presidential nominees are bad, why not just vote for the one you think is the least bad? It's gonna be one or the other either way.
Maybe it's because over here we have mandatory voting and I'm forced to vote for something.
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If i don't vote I am done with politics. As of now Gary Johnson IMO is the least bad.
 
:lol I love it... The gop sold their soul to the devil & of course he's come back for his payment.

Frank Lavin, an official in every GOP administration since Reagan, says he'll vote for Hillary Clinton. He also said trump makes him cringe every time he opens his mouth & called him the emperor with no clothes. He went on to say trump lacks the character & the personality to be the president.

He also went onto to say -


Trump is a bigot, a bully, and devoid of grace or magnanimity. His thin-skinned belligerence toward every challenge, rebuke, or criticism would promise the nation a series of a high-voltage quarrels. His casual dishonesty, his policy laziness, and his lack of self-awareness would mean four years of a careening pin-ball journey that would ricochet from missteps to crisis to misunderstandings to clarifications to retractions.
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Glad to hear principled Conservatives speaking out
 
In that same vein,the way the GOP is always blaming Obama for just about everything,it should be fair to blame Trump and his ilk for the increasingly polarized and racially charged political climate right now given all his hateful rhetoric right?
 
Sometimes I wonder if all this anti-Trump stuff from the GOP is a ploy to get people to vote for him, on some Jedi mind tricks steez. We've seen his supporters reject the standard GOP talking points and it seems like the more the "establishment" had railed against him, the stronger his support has become. Or maybe I'm just giving them too much credit. Probably the latter lol.
 
Colombia said:
I don't really get the point of not voting if you're invested in politics. If both presidential nominees are bad, why not just vote for the one you think is the least bad? It's gonna be one or the other either way.
Maybe it's because over here we have mandatory voting and I'm forced to vote for something.
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Actually, that's all we ever do and tell ourselves, in 4 years we'll get it right.

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In that same vein,the way the GOP is always blaming Obama for just about everything,it should be fair to blame Trump and his ilk for the increasingly polarized and racially charged political climate right now given all his hateful rhetoric right?
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Meh, I'd actually blame the GOP. Trump is the GOP in Samuel L. Jackson mode, he's expressing the GOPs feelings with the in your face attitude, no filter, and a bunch of mfers thrown in there.
 
Definitely Trump is the GOP's creation, they kicked the orange hornets nest for years and here we are.
 
I grew up with the notion that family ish should stay inhouse. You shouldn't be putting your ish out on the streets for everyone to see/hear. Similarly, ish going on between your friends.

This republicans need to keep their mouths shut & keep all the critical comments in house & change within the party instead of grandstanding on soap boxes in front of mics for everyone to see & hear.

It's amazing that grown men don't seem to understand that.

These republicans are laying blame at trump for all the controversy he's creating but they need to look at themselves to for perpetuating all the controversies...

What a bunch a "maroons"....
 
It's disappointing when Republicans come out and say Trump is terrible but then say they had staked all their hopes on someone like Rubio. It feels like it was ages ago, but during the debates Rubio seemed to deemphasize any of his well-thought-out positions and instead went full anti-Obama. So ultimately these anti-Trump Republicans, while at least opposing the evil that is Trump, have failed to acknowledge the root of the problem.

Until they come out and say that their anti-Obama stance along with their obedience to the NRA and a number of other issues has been a mistake, they won't be able to move forward. Until they can clearly and cleanly come out and say they are a hands-off party but not if it jeopardizes the rights of women and minorities, that they can be inspired by Christian beliefs but will emphasize charity over punishment and never violate the separation of church and state, until they can come out with consistent policies that protect technology and innovation, not just by international corporations but my entrepreneurs as well, until they make it clear that they will not govern or campaign on hysterics and fear but instead on practical solutions... Until they do all that, they are the party of Trump and will continue to be the party of Trump for years to come.
 
Da Trump speech was amazing B. Libbie scum protesters tried to silence my dude's flow but he was unfazed B.
 
Colombia said:
 
Da Donald released some information about his economic plans. 

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-...-economic-plan-winning-the-global-competition

This is out of my league so I can't really comment on this but what do y'all think?
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Avoiding all of the editorialized comments and questionable sources in his ridiculous blog post:
  • Slash taxes to mimic trickle-down economics.
  • Cut regulations to the point that we'll look like China in the 90's.
  • Doesn't actually say what he'll do regarding trade deals, except kill the TPP. He will however, crack down on China's currency manipulation and cyber security.
  • Repeal any energy regulations and fire up coal and oil power again (going back to regulations).
So he's appealing to Ninjahood by ignoring the actual economic consequences of his proposals, in favor of catchwords and empty promises because he knows his audience isn't educated enough to know better.

Instead of focusing on "bringing da jobs back," politicians should be promising 2 things: to increase the amount of education funding for pre-K-12 and enacting free public university education (this will help ensure more go to college, more get the education to keep up with America as it is), and to create jobs through demand-side economic policies. Sure, tax reforms would be good for the consumer, but slashing corporation tax rates would not benefit the worker or the economy, it would benefit the corporation as history has proven. Trump is by and large trying to reenact the policies that his father got rich, before we knew better regarding the environment and being a service economy. We've left behind manufacturing more or less (for better or for worse) due to tech advancements and importing goods. Those who lost their jobs don't have the education, nor their kids the availability, to keep up with the advancements in our economy. This is what needs to be focused on. Maybe educate middle-and-high school kids with job market outlooks, I dont know. There will always be those left behind, due to one factor or many. Trump's policies won't alleviate this, and his promises can't be fulfilled.

tl;dr - his policies are dumb. They're really bad, and just dumb. He has no idea what to really do. Donald Drumpf is just an idiot. Really sad. Da jobs aren't coming back.
 
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We talking economics again. 8o

Lemme finish up this Johnson post, so I can run Trump plan a fade too.

-So much economic ignorance, half truths, lies, and misdirection in Trump's proposal. He goes have a few good ideas though (like closing loopholes). But as a whole, it is trash.
 
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:lol What a national joke Trump has made out of himself.

50 top GOP officials: Trump would 'risk our country's national security'
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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/08/us/politics/national-security-letter-trump.html

STATEMENT BY FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY OFFICIALS
The undersigned individuals have all served in senior national security
and/or foreign policy positions in Republican Administrations, from
Richard Nixon to George W. Bush. We have worked directly on
national security issues with these Republican Presidents and/or their
principal advisers during wartime and other periods of crisis, through
successes and failures. We know the personal qualities required of a
President of the United States.
None of us will vote for Donald Trump.
From a foreign policy perspective, Donald Trump is not qualified to be
President and Commander-in-Chief. Indeed, we are convinced that he
would be a dangerous President and would put at risk our country’s
national security and well-being.
Most fundamentally, Mr. Trump lacks the character, values, and
experience to be President. He weakens U.S. moral authority as the
leader of the free world. He appears to lack basic knowledge about and
belief in the U.S. Constitution, U.S. laws, and U.S. institutions,
including religious tolerance, freedom of the press, and an independent
judiciary.
In addition, Mr. Trump has demonstrated repeatedly that he has little
understanding of America’s vital national interests, its complex
diplomatic challenges, its indispensable alliances, and the democratic
values on which U.S. foreign policy must be based. At the same time,
he persistently compliments our adversaries and threatens our allies and
friends. Unlike previous Presidents who had limited experience in
foreign affairs, Mr. Trump has shown no interest in educating
himself. He continues to display an alarming ignorance of basic facts of
contemporary international politics. Despite his lack of knowledge, Mr.
Trump claims that he understands foreign affairs and “knows more
about ISIS than the generals do.”
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Mr. Trump lacks the temperament to be President. In our experience, a
President must be willing to listen to his advisers and department heads;
must encourage consideration of conflicting views; and must
acknowledge errors and learn from them. A President must be
disciplined, control emotions, and act only after reflection and careful
deliberation. A President must maintain cordial relationships with
leaders of countries of different backgrounds and must have their respect
and trust.
In our judgment, Mr. Trump has none of these critical qualities. He is
unable or unwilling to separate truth from falsehood. He does not
encourage conflicting views. He lacks self-control and acts
impetuously. He cannot tolerate personal criticism. He has alarmed our
closest allies with his erratic behavior. All of these are dangerous
qualities in an individual who aspires to be President and Commanderin-Chief,
with command of the U.S. nuclear arsenal.
We understand that many Americans are profoundly frustrated with the
federal government and its inability to solve pressing domestic and
international problems. We also know that many have doubts about
Hillary Clinton, as do many of us. But Donald Trump is not the answer
to America’s daunting challenges and to this crucial election. We are
convinced that in the Oval Office, he would be the most reckless
President in American history.
Donald B. Ayer
Former Deputy Attorney General
John B. Bellinger III
Former Legal Adviser to the Department of State; former Legal Adviser
to the National Security Council, The White House
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Robert Blackwill
Former Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Planning, The
White House
Michael Chertoff
Former Secretary of Homeland Security; former Assistant Attorney
General for the Criminal Division, Department of Justice
Eliot A. Cohen
Former Counselor of the Department of State
Eric Edelman
Former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy; former National Security
Advisor to the Vice President, The White House
Gary Edson
Former Deputy National Security Advisor, The White House
Richard Falkenrath
Former Deputy Homeland Security Advisor, The White House
Peter Feaver
Former Senior Director for Strategic Planning, National Security
Council, The White House
Richard Fontaine
Former Associate Director for Near East Affairs, National Security
Council, The White House
Jendayi Frazer
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for
African Affairs; former Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Aaron Friedberg
Former Deputy National Security Advisor to the Vice President, The
White House
David Gordon
Former Director of Policy Planning, Department of State
Michael Green
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Asia,
National Security Council, The White House
Brian Gunderson
Former Chief of Staff, Department of State
Paul Haenle
Former Director for China and Taiwan, National Security Council, The
White House
Michael Hayden
Former Director, Central Intelligence Agency; former Director, National
Security Agency
Carla A. Hills
Former U.S. Trade Representative
John Hillen
Former Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs
William Inboden
Former Senior Director for Strategic Planning, National Security
Council, The White House
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Reuben Jeffery III
Former Under Secretary of State for Economic Energy and Agricultural
Affairs; former Special Assistant to the President for International
Economic Affairs, National Security Council, The White House
James Jeffrey
Former Deputy National Security Advisor, The White House
Ted Kassinger
Former Deputy Secretary of Commerce
David Kramer
Former Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy, Human Rights, and
Labor
James Langdon
Former Chairman, President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, The
White House
Peter Lichtenbaum
Former Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Export Administration
Mary Beth Long
Former Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs
Clay Lowery
Former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs;
former Director for International Finance, National Security Council,
The White House
Robert McCallum
Former Associate Attorney General; former Ambassador to Australia
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Richard Miles
Former Director for North America, National Security Council, The
White House
Andrew Natsios
Former Administrator, U.S. Agency for International Development
John Negroponte
Former Director of National Intelligence; former Deputy Secretary of
State; former Deputy National Security Advisor
Meghan O’Sullivan
Former Deputy National Security Advisor for Iraq and Afghanistan
Dan Price
Former Deputy National Security Advisor
Tom Ridge
Former Secretary of Homeland Security; former Assistant to the
President for Homeland Security, The White House; former Governor of
Pennsylvania
Nicholas Rostow
Former Legal Adviser to the National Security Council, The White
House
Kori Schake
Former Director for Defense Strategy, National Security Council, The
White House
Kristen Silverberg
Former Assistant Secretary of State for International Organizations
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Stephen Slick
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for
Intelligence Programs, National Security Council, The White House
Shirin R. Tahir-Kheli
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for
Democracy, Human Rights and International Operations, National
Security Council, The White House; former Ambassador and Senior
Advisor for Women’s Empowerment, Department of State
William H. Taft IV
Former Deputy Secretary of Defense; former Ambassador to NATO
Larry D. Thompson
Former Deputy Attorney General
William Tobey
Former Deputy Administrator, National Nuclear Security
Administration, Department of Energy; former Director for CounterProliferation
Strategy, National Security Council, The White House
John Veroneau
Former Deputy U.S. Trade Representative
Kenneth Wainstein
Former Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and
Counterterrorism, The White House; former Assistant Attorney General
for National Security, Department of Justice
Matthew Waxman
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense; former Director for
Contingency Planning and International Justice, National Security
Council, The White House
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Dov Zakheim
Former Under Secretary of Defense
Roger Zakheim
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense
Philip Zelikow
Former Counselor of the Department of State
Robert Zoellick
Former U.S. Trade Representative; former Deputy Secretary of State
 
So here's Trump's tax reform (for the wealthy)

As a Tax professional I have to :lol at how this helps the wealthy more than the working middle class. My comments in brackets.


Benefit working families while ensuring the wealthy pay their fair share/Dramatically reduce taxes for everyone and streamline deductions, presenting the biggest tax reform since Reagan.
(Based on Trump's tax rate bracket proposal, the wealthy, based of dollars and percentage, would receive the largest benefit so the wealthy under Trump would reduce paying their fair share)

Exclude childcare expenses from taxation. (How does this benefit the middle class? Child Care expenses are already deducted for middle wage earners and reduced after making a certain amount of income so therefore if there is no cap on how much can be deducted, the wealthy can easily write off all their child care expenses- nannies in full)

Limit taxation of business income to 15% for every business. (This benefits Trump personally because his corporations will now pay less taxes, investors/shareholders receive more dividends)

End the death tax aka federal estate tax. (It's currently 0% for an estate less than $5.45 million so this helps the wealthy whom usually have estates greater than the exclusion amount - Trump personally benefits from this also)

And Rolling Stones even have an article just published today which is just how I analyzed... a tax reform plan so Trump can personally benefit. Despicable :{

http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...ax-plan-that-would-benefit-his-family-w433267
 
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