***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[freeze]

bro...this is dementia.

 

[Wargames]

 

[IATT]

 

[Sharpshoeter13]

2020 really is becoming a PERFECT cluster**** for this moron:
- COVID-19 pandemic
- businesses (like he knows ANYTHING about BUSINESSES lol)
- investigations
- ELECTIONS
- having Jared utter a word in public
- supporters potentially dying due to “protests”
- corrupt administration

dude really bout have a heart attack before can resume his klan rallies

 

[gry60]

Warriors tend to die for someone else's cause.

In November, I hope that Americans remember to vote for those who will consider them as citizens entitled to certain protections, and not warriors who will die, no questions asked, for the cult of crony capitalism.

 

[big van vader]

I said this before the 2016 election and I'll say it again:

If America decides to elect this person, then America deserves everything it gets.

 

[dwalk31]

from the time this didn´t kill his campaign until the ¨grab ´em¨ tape, I was 100 percent sure he was winning.

once he survived ¨grab ´em¨ at the height of #metoo, I knew dude was bending social reality around himself.

I mean, dude is basically a nonfactor if not a net negative in an active pandemic and is STILL THE FAVORITE.

I think a lot of people ignore the class-based nature of the polarization.

Many, on the left, make statements like Trump is dumb, stupid, ignorant, etc. Many of his supporters did not have the luxury of formal education at prestigious institutions. As such, there is a great deal of animosity and resentment towards "coastal elites" who make it a point to show that they are the smartest person in the room.

While that works great for Rex and Rusty on here, it is often off-putting to every day Americans who are working multiple jobs and have received an associates degree--at most.

The smarter route, for those on the left, is to think of ways to resonate with these voters without calling them dumb, stupid, ignorant, etc.

Until this happens, Trump's re-election (imo) will be more a condemnation of elites than a vote in support of Trump.

And before someone mentions "well Trump is a billionaire with an ivy education," the reality is the narrative (again pushed by many on the left) is that he had horrible grades, didn't earn it, etc. It still boils down to "you aren't as smart" and "you don't really belong." That simply resonates better with the average American who feels "left out."

 

[aepps20]

I think a lot of people ignore the class-based nature of the polarization.

Many, on the left, make statements like Trump is dumb, stupid, ignorant, etc. Many of his supporters did not have the luxury of formal education at prestigious institutions. As such, there is a great deal of animosity and resentment towards "coastal elites" who make it a point to show that they are the smartest person in the room.

While that works great for Rex and Rusty on here, it is often off-putting to every day Americans who are working multiple jobs and have received an associates degree--at most.

The smarter route, for those on the left, is to think of ways to resonate with these voters without calling them dumb, stupid, ignorant, etc.

Until this happens, Trump's re-election (imo) will be more a condemnation of elites than a vote in support of Trump.

And before someone mentions "well Trump is a billionaire with an ivy education," the reality is the narrative (again pushed by many on the left) is that he had horrible grades, didn't earn it, etc. It still boils down to "you aren't as smart" and "you don't really belong." That simply resonates better with the average American who feels "left out."

I think most people think supporting Republican Pedos is wrong. Too bad you don't feel "left out" when you continue to support Roy Moore. #NOMORALCOMPASS

 

[junglejim]

I think a lot of people ignore the class-based nature of the polarization.

Many, on the left, make statements like Trump is dumb, stupid, ignorant, etc. Many of his supporters did not have the luxury of formal education at prestigious institutions. As such, there is a great deal of animosity and resentment towards "coastal elites" who make it a point to show that they are the smartest person in the room.

While that works great for Rex and Rusty on here, it is often off-putting to every day Americans who are working multiple jobs and have received an associates degree--at most.

The smarter route, for those on the left, is to think of ways to resonate with these voters without calling them dumb, stupid, ignorant, etc.

Until this happens, Trump's re-election (imo) will be more a condemnation of elites than a vote in support of Trump.

And before someone mentions "well Trump is a billionaire with an ivy education," the reality is the narrative (again pushed by many on the left) is that he had horrible grades, didn't earn it, etc. It still boils down to "you aren't as smart" and "you don't really belong." That simply resonates better with the average American who feels "left out."

You should contribute more posts like this. I actually agree with a lot of what you said here and I don't think you are incorrect at all. I see it a lot with people I went to high school with, many of which never went to college but have become hard core Trump supporters because they think he has their best interests in mind (I don't agree with that but I understand the viewpoint). I can't tell you how many facebook posts I've seen in the last month or so criticizing Trump, these people come to defend him, then someone who moved on from the High School clique comes in an calls all of them idiots and uneducated. I think its definitely a problem and creates a dichotomy between what democrats actually want and what democrats actually say and do and need to work to fix it.

I'm guilty as hell of doing this because its hard for me to grapple with how people can support someone like this and results in me being less likely to listen and process someone else's viewpoint, which I'm sure comes off as condescending and elitist and is not the intention at all.

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

I think a lot of people ignore the class-based nature of the polarization.

Many, on the left, make statements like Trump is dumb, stupid, ignorant, etc. Many of his supporters did not have the luxury of formal education at prestigious institutions. As such, there is a great deal of animosity and resentment towards "coastal elites" who make it a point to show that they are the smartest person in the room.

While that works great for Rex and Rusty on here, it is often off-putting to every day Americans who are working multiple jobs and have received an associates degree--at most.

The smarter route, for those on the left, is to think of ways to resonate with these voters without calling them dumb, stupid, ignorant, etc.

Until this happens, Trump's re-election (imo) will be more a condemnation of elites than a vote in support of Trump.

And before someone mentions "well Trump is a billionaire with an ivy education," the reality is the narrative (again pushed by many on the left) is that he had horrible grades, didn't earn it, etc. It still boils down to "you aren't as smart" and "you don't really belong." That simply resonates better with the average American who feels "left out."

trumps control of the news cycle combined with the narrow and limited means in which most non college educated/non scholarly people consume news media pretty much invalidates any pivots dems do make on issues of class. Andrew yang was very much so class based in his approach, and while i know a lot of right leaning folks that liked him they werent willing to throw there support behind him over trump. If dems want to be able to get a meaningful class based message out there, clearing the smoke screen that is trump, out of the way first is pretty much required.

 

[IATT]

 

[Wargames]

You should contribute more posts like this. I actually agree with a lot of what you said here and I don't think you are incorrect at all. I see it a lot with people I went to high school with, many of which never went to college but have become hard core Trump supporters because they think he has their best interests in mind (I don't agree with that but I understand the viewpoint). I can't tell you how many facebook posts I've seen in the last month or so criticizing Trump, these people come to defend him, then someone who moved on from the High School clique comes in an calls all of them idiots and uneducated. I think its definitely a problem and creates a dichotomy between what democrats actually want and what democrats actually say and do and need to work to fix it.

I'm guilty as hell of doing this because its hard for me to grapple with how people can support someone like this and results in me being less likely to listen and process someone else's viewpoint, which I'm sure comes off as condescending and elitist and is not the intention at all.

Bro if you do stupid things you get called stupid. A college degree doesn’t make people smart or dumb. I know some smart people who went to college and stupid people with masters degrees. Openly supporting the orange jackass at this point makes you stupid. He’s done a lot of **** he can’t justify and is horrible at his job and likely going to not be re-elected. The smarter supporters of his know by now to shut up and post their views based on cases/examples separate from Trump.

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

FANTASTIC discussion on the racial wealth gap

 

[junglejim]

Bro if you do stupid things you get called stupid. A college degree doesn’t make people smart or dumb. I know some smart people who went to college and stupid people with masters degrees. Openly supporting the orange jackass at this point makes you stupid. He’s done a lot of **** he can’t justify and is horrible at his job and likely going to not be re-elected. The smarter supporters of his know by now to shut up and post their views based on cases/examples separate from Trump.

I don't entirely disagree but when you have someone openly call you stupid, are you likely to join forces and support the person who just called you stupid? No, more than likely than not when you are backed into a corner you are going to support the person who you think is on your side based on what that person says even if their actions differ drastically.

I don't think he is entirely wrong that people aren't really Trump supporters (or at least that thought comforts me in knowing why people knowingly vote against their own interests), but people who have been displaced by a party who calls them dumb and choose another party who doesn't represent their interests but welcomes them with open arms.

We as a party believe we best represent the best interests of the working poor and working class but ignore members of said classes when they don't vote blue no matter who and its largely related to messaging. Bernie probably had the most idealistic plan for members in both classes but I believe people didn't vote for him largely due to messaging of both his campaign and supporters. If you yell at center left members of the democratic party and tell them they are the problem and not the solution, what are they likely to do? I believe they largely chose Biden because Bernie alienated the largest voting base of the democratic party. I don't think anyone in here is like "man, Joe Biden is an outstanding ****ing candidate and we are lucky to have him as our nominee." Biden becoming the nominee was largely a referendum on Bernie's messaging than Biden's campaign proposals. ****, 99% of people don't even know what the hell Biden's policy proposals are other than I was Obama's VP so lets do that again.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I think a lot of people ignore the class-based nature of the polarization.

Many, on the left, make statements like Trump is dumb, stupid, ignorant, etc. Many of his supporters did not have the luxury of formal education at prestigious institutions. As such, there is a great deal of animosity and resentment towards "coastal elites" who make it a point to show that they are the smartest person in the room.

While that works great for Rex and Rusty on here, it is often off-putting to every day Americans who are working multiple jobs and have received an associates degree--at most.

The smarter route, for those on the left, is to think of ways to resonate with these voters without calling them dumb, stupid, ignorant, etc.

Until this happens, Trump's re-election (imo) will be more a condemnation of elites than a vote in support of Trump.

And before someone mentions "well Trump is a billionaire with an ivy education," the reality is the narrative (again pushed by many on the left) is that he had horrible grades, didn't earn it, etc. It still boils down to "you aren't as smart" and "you don't really belong." That simply resonates better with the average American who feels "left out."

You are the same clown that when you first entered here told me that the black people I care about are the poor ones, the ones you care about are the ones that want rental properties

Your *** then came out and asked if my political views where motivated by my family being on welfare

You ignore people sharing details about themselves when they were struggling working two jobs, you ignore when I make post about helping poor people, you don't say **** when Trump ****s on Democratic voters, yeah you could give a damn when they past policy to worsen their economic state of lower class people. Rex has a lot of anger toward the democratic party, their more affluent voters, and his socialist. Yet the bull**** you are trying to peddle is that all we do is disregard the views of lower class people.

So ****ing miss me with this insincere finger wagging bull****. Academics and researcher have done tons of research on the motivations of right wing voters. It is the bigotry that motivates them.

People might see this post and think your are finally trying to engage in good faith when in reality it is more insincere ****ery from you.

Oh btw smartass, lower income people tend to vote Democratic. People who are most concerned about the economy, tend to vote Democratic. You don't give a **** about these voters because they don't support your goals of paying less in taxes, to scrape together some pennies to afford a rental property. You find ways to **** on these people all the damn time. And a lot of them are black, so that makes sense, since we all know how much you detest black folk.

So sit down, and shut the hell up.

 

[junglejim]

Just going to put this here for discussion purposes. There are a lot of poor and working class voters voting republican as well. I don't think he is completely off-base in his assessment and I usually disagree with 99.9% of the filth he posts in here

 

[IATT]

dwalk31 can’t wait til we get this dude’s grades..

or his taxes..

or communications with Russia..

 

[RustyShackleford]

Just going to put this here for discussion purposes. There are a lot of poor and working class voters voting republican as well. I don't think he is completely off-base in his assessment and I usually disagree with 99.9% of the filth he posts in here

Does DWalk ever give a **** about the lower income Democratic voters?

Does Dwalk ever give a **** about how Trump's economic policies hurt lower income people in general?

Does he ever give a **** even Republicans and Trump **** on lower income liberal voters?

Does Dwalk ever give a **** to discuss what policies actually work to help these lower income people?

He has already said cutting social safety net will do them good, he specially said this about poor black people.

He doesn't give about lower income people until he can use them as a stick to beat down the other side with. Some how the other side is mean because they point out the bigotry, ignorance, and vile behavior of lower income Republican voters.

Why the **** should I take him seriously exactly? To help him pretend like he is debating in good faith. So he can have an example to use the next time Meth calls out his trolling

Nah, **** that. Dude is finessing

 

[gry60]

The smarter route, for those on the left, is to think of ways to resonate with these voters without calling them dumb, stupid, ignorant, etc.

The consequence of asking the educated to cater to the ego of the ignorant is a stagnant society. It is a society that finds itself progressively unable to address the challenges of the future. It is a society that ends up failing in all measurable aspects.

 

[gry60]

I don't see an MD next to his name. Fox News needs to troll better.

 

[junglejim]

Does DWalk ever give a **** about the lower income Democratic voters?

Does Dwalk ever give a **** about how Trump's economic policies hurt lower income people in general?

Does he ever give a **** even Republicans and Trump **** on lower income liberal voters?

Does Dwalk ever give a **** to discuss what policies actually work to help these lower income people?

He has already said cutting social safety net will do them good, he specially said this about poor black people.

He doesn't give about lower income people until he can use them as a stick to beat down the other side with. Some how the other side is mean because they point out the bigotry, ignorance, and vile behavior of lower income Republican voters.

Why the **** should I take him seriously exactly? To help him pretend like he is debating in good faith. So he can have an example to use the next time Meth calls out his trolling

Nah, **** that. Dude is finessing

I don't disagree and at this point I'm basically just ignoring who posted it given the obvious dubious posting pattern. That being said, the point remains and I think it would behoove the democratic party to listen to and process the opinions of the large block of high school and college dropouts that reject voting blue and understand their viewpoint other than dismissing it entirely and telling them to become more educated which is also unlikely to happen and will just further delay change.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I don't disagree and at this point I'm basically just ignoring who posted it given the obvious dubious posting pattern. That being said, the point remains and I think it would behoove the democratic party to listen to and process the opinions of the large block of high school and college dropouts that reject voting blue and understand their viewpoint other than dismissing it entirely and telling them to become more educated which is also unlikely to happen and will just further delay change.

The Democratic party doesn't just tell people to become more educated or their opinion doesn't count. They tell them they want to give them a way to get more educated for free. Their opinion is not discounted because they don't have college degrees. This is not a message the party puts out there. It is just that the Democratic Party can't give these people want they really want without selling out other communities.

If these people wanted someone that was hostile to the supposed bad behavior of the Democratic Party, and catered a message to them, then they had Bernie Sanders available. They had a class first candidate that would coddle them, and they still chose Trump as their guy. Why? My guess is Bernie would not indulge them in their racial grievances.

Secondly, most of the candidates for the Democratic nomination indulged in excusing the voting patterns of these people as "economic anxiety". Researcher showed that it voting for Trump was most motivated my racial views. Yet as a nation and a damn party we prop up this bull**** narrative to coddle these people.

The places that vote red the most, the places that are white and rural, are kept afloat by tons of federal dollars the Dems have to fight for every budget negotiation. These voters are hostile to the very people protecting them, because their problematic behavior is not sufficiently coddled. And the bad actors in this scenario are somehow the Dems?

You can coddle these people forever but what they really want is something the Democratic Party rightfully doesn't want to give them. That is a renewed commitment to white supremacy. Maybe before we start kissing these people ***, we reform the electoral system, give prisoners voting rights, and rightfully strip these people of the disproportionate about of political power the GOP gave to them.

 

[dwalk31]

You are the same clown that when you first entered here told me that the black people I care about are the poor ones, the ones you care about are the ones that want rental properties

Your *** then came out and asked if my political views where motivated by my family being on welfare

You ignore people sharing details about themselves when they were struggling working two jobs, you ignore when I make post about helping poor people, you don't say **** when Trump ****s on Democratic voters, yeah you could give a damn when they past policy to worsen their economic state of lower class people. Rex has a lot of anger toward the democratic party, their more affluent voters, and his socialist. Yet the bull**** you are trying to peddle is that all we do is disregard the views of lower class people.

So ****ing miss me with this insincere finger wagging bull****. Academics and researcher have done tons of research on the motivations of right wing voters. It is the bigotry that motivates them.

People might see this post and think your are finally trying to engage in good faith when in reality it is more insincere ****ery from you.

Oh btw smartass, lower income people tend to vote Democratic. People who are most concerned about the economy, tend to vote Democratic. You don't give a **** about these voters because they don't support your goals of paying less in taxes, to scrape together some pennies to afford a rental property. You find ways to **** on these people all the damn time. And a lot of them are black, so that makes sense, since we all know how much you detest black folk.

So sit down, and shut the hell up.

I've stated my reasons for my support of this administration, and I definitely do not fit in the category of the voters I described in that post. I don't think that I implied that I did.

You and Rex, I imagine, have good intentions. As do I. But your method of convincing others can come off as condescending and elitist. Not to me personally, but there is a group that feels that way. That is the group I was addressing in the post.

It is no secret that when it comes to the black plight, my primary focus is removing certain barriers that tend to target higher income/higher net worth black individuals.

The revolution needs me as much as it needs you.

 

[dwalk31]

The consequence of asking the educated to cater to the ego of the ignorant is a stagnant society. It is a society that finds itself progressively unable to address the challenges of the future. It is a society that ends up failing in all measurable aspects.

We will see how that methodology plays out in November.

 

[IATT]

The revolution needs me