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THIS IS WHY WE VOTED FOR COMRADE TRUMP IN 2016 AND WHY WE WILL VOTE FOR HIM AGAIN IN 2020 AND 2024 AND 2028 AND 2032.

Many years ago, Comrade Trump, stuck in his gold-plated tower in the libbie hellhole of Manhattan, had one simple wish: "I wish Vladimir would be my friend." Dreams turned to reality and now the United Soviet States of America are WINNING. Trump is going to get 77% of the vote this November. Libbies will cry.
 
Bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, this is too perfect....

https://www.axios.com/trump-kushner-second-thoughts-408d5a33-725d-442a-88e4-d6ab6742c139.html

President Trump has told people in recent days that he regrets following some of son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner's political advice — including supporting criminal justice reform — and will stick closer to his own instincts, three people with direct knowledge of the president's thinking tell Axios.
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Ya papi outchea making you look like and clown again :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
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Between the lines: Trump never really wanted criminal justice reform, according to people who have discussed the subject with him privately. He's told them he only supported it because Kushner asked him to. Though he has repeatedly trumpeted it as a politically useful policy at times.

  • Trump now says privately it was misguided to pursue this policy, undercutting his instincts, and that he probably won't win any more African American support because of it.
  • "He truly believes there is a silent majority out there that's going to come out in droves in November," said a source who's talked to the president in recent da
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Da, da, da First Step Act doe, da Seceond Step Act coming doe, Trump is the only one that can make the GOP bend to his will doe. I still need to hear him say the n-word doe. :rofl:

C'mon Delk, what buffoonery you got for us...

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RustyShackleford said:
Da, da, da First Step Act doe, da Seceond Step Act coming doe, Trump is the only one that can make the GOP bend to his will doe. I still need to hear him say the n-word doe. :rofl:

C'mon Delk, what buffoonery you got for us
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Not sure why blacks don’t like trump. He is friends with Kanye. What more y’all want?
Not sure why blacks don’t like trump. He is friends with Kanye. What more y’all want?
Not sure why blacks don’t like trump. He is friends with Kanye. What more y’all want?
Not sure why blacks don’t like trump. He is friends with Kanye. What more y’all want?
Not sure why blacks don’t like trump. He is friends with Kanye. What more y’all want?
Not sure why blacks don’t like trump. He is friends with Kanye. What more y’all want?

DLF DLF thanks
 
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It seems that paranoia might be contagious. If you check the tape, the description you’re referring to was applied to the first year grad students who burned me out with their facile class reductionist nonsense a long time ago.

In the very next sentence, I exempted you from this: “I know that this discussion isn't coming from the same place as the self-satisfied Bernie Bros who would have us believe that our petty preoccupations with "identity politics" stand as evidence that we've all been turned against each other by our true enemy, the shadowy puppet masters, and that if we all set our differences aside via "class consciousness" to take on sources of White "economic anxiety," surely social justice will trickle down to everyone else.”

The Du Bois quote I selected specifically references Marx, so if you’re taking the con on that, it certainly looks like you’re saying “Marx was right, class rules everything around me.” And that may very well appear accurate from your perspective, but, as Bomani Jones aptly observed about libertarians, it takes a particular set of circumstances for someone to earnestly believe this. While I found several aspects of your argument problematic, I wasn't out here taking pot shots at you personally.


Raising the basic standard of living for everyone is obviously a laudable goal for its own sake, but in a society where even the affluent are (often publicly) subjected to racism, sexism, cissexism, ableism, and heterosexism, the notion that class inequality is the only form of inequality worth treating directly is difficult to swallow - especially when coming from a vanguard movement that otherwise isn't afraid to dream big.
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Fair enough. Hopefully you can understand my confusion when you described your experience of our exchange as "suffer[ing] through another explanation of how racism is just a tendril of capitalism" right before invoking those "coffee shop revolutionaries." At any rate, thanks for clarifying and I take you at your word.

As for the Du Bois quote, my taking issue with it wasn't driven by a sentiment of "Nah, Marx was right" nor simply because of its age. But it is what it is.
 
All you libbie clowns thought you could shame us into wearing masks. You thought you could scare is into staying home. You thought you could trick us into not sharing drinks in crowded bars with strangers.

I have one thing to say to you:


NEVER DOUBT THE USA!

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100K HERE WE COME
 
RustyShackleford said:
I think what people are pointing out is that even leftist policies are insufficient to achieve real economic and social justice for black people. You can claim there are better that whatever someone else is pushing, but they are still inadequate. They are only part of the solution. People want more because more will be needed to make the black community whole. More than what it will take to make poor white people whole.

To achieve that, at some point, you have to add additional policies and goals that explicitly spell out that their aim is to help specifically black people. The issue is that what guarantee will there be that new socialist coalition that pushes through colorblind universal policies, will also be on board with pushing through other programs specifically aimed at helping black Americans?

The goal is to use this class first rhetoric to attract a ton of new marginal voters into supporting the leftist agenda. Is it not?

But whenever someone points out the friction there, you circle back to how much good the leftist agenda will do for black people, how it is better than the liberal policy plan, or how pure of heart the median leftist is, without ever addressing that friction.

Secondly, when you have socialist/leftist/Marxist that have done an abysmal job at building a political movement big enough to gain power. That can't win in swing districts. That can't win where the Democratic brand is dead. That can't pry a decent amount of the left-wing coalition away from the Democratic establishment. A group of people that can't even prove their theories on coalition building. That is disproportionately white already. That ask we use rhetoric that is clearly designed not to trigger marginal white voters. Yet the request is made that people should just jump in, put concerns aside, treat anything outside of their narrow framing as distractions, and just trust socialist have are right.

So yes, it does come off as some "what do you have to lose" steez.
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What I'm saying is I don't understand this notion that leftists are arguing against issues of "racial justice" (even if they might understand some of the issues often framed that way somewhat differently). You yourself have used phrases along the lines of "asking people of color to put racial justice on the back-burner" so that the "class issues can be addressed first" (sorry if these are not the exact words). My question is: What racial justice issues are leftists telling people to be quiet about? By far, the biggest of these issues in the national public discourse over the last half-decade–plus has been police violence. What leftists have been telling people to put that issue aside, that it's not worth addressing, or that we'll get to it later, or whatever? Maybe there is some white leftist saying this somewhere, but the overwhelming response from those quarters has been the exact opposite.

The goal, in my view, is to articulate a political vision that will adequately address the daily felt needs and issues facing working people via the downward distribution of power and resources and to get people to buy into that vision. Those needs and issues are largely the same across all ascriptive identities. The Black Census Project, launched by BLM co-founder Alicia Garza in 2018, surveyed 31,000 black Americans and the fundamental conclusion from that survey was: "The most important issues for respondents were also the most important issues facing the rest of the country—low wages, lack of quality health care, substandard housing, rising college costs and different sets of rules for the wealthy and the poor," though she points out that, obviously, "black communities experience [these issues] more acutely. And then: "To solve these challenges, respondents propose raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour, making college affordable for anyone who wants to attend and requiring the government to provide health care and adequate housing for everyone. A vast majority of them want to see the wealthy and corporations pay their fair share of taxes." I obviously don't even need to connect any dots here.

I'm not saying democratic socialism will get rid of racism completely or rectify the historical oppression that black folks have endured for hundreds of years or whatever other language or measuring stick someone might care to invoke to describe racial justice. I admittedly don't know exactly how those things might be accomplished—they are largely abstractions, kind of like "fighting a war against terrorism." To be clear, this obviously doesn't mean that racism, both historical and present, is not real and does not affect people's lives. Nor is it to say that fighting racism isn't a worthy endeavor, in whatever form that may take (aggressive civil rights enforcement, affirmative action, etc.). But what democratic socialism can do is provide every human being with a dignified material existence, universal healthcare, decent and affordable housing, quality public education, etc. This is literally exactly what the results of the Black Census Project clearly call for. And since racism operates within the context of political economy and not outside of it, creating a much more egalitarian society in material terms will profoundly reduce many of the effects that racism can have on people's lives.

You and dacomeup dacomeup said that this political program sounds similar to Trump's "what do you have to lose" rhetoric coming from white leftists. Bro, 31,000 black Americans articulated the exact same thing in a national survey—conducted by an organization founded by a BLM co-founder, no less!
 
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