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RustyShackleford said:
I understand you are closer to the situation than me

I said you can continue moving like you do

But I'm saying, even with all that said, people in here are not gonna simply agree with your arguments if they find them flawed.

And if you expect that, or need that, then you are gonna have a rough time.

But you do you.
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I know that.

I don't expect people to change their viewpoints at all.

I don't think it's about that for me. It's more about me figuring out why they arrived to that viewpoint or why they think that way. So then I just reply to challenge it from what I know is the truth, and they're free to proceed as they please.

You're not going to change anyone's mind that doesn't see you as human and conditioned to view your history and people a certain way.
 
aepps20 said:
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Saw your work in those music threads
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I need a break. I was in rare form. Will restart once Jokic wins MVP and gets bounced in the 2nd round.

Also do you know the artist responsible for this painting? I want a copy or print of it.
 
me love nutella said:
I know that.

I don't expect people to change their viewpoints at all.

I don't think it's about that for me. It's more about me figuring out why they arrived to that viewpoint or why they think that way. So then I just reply to challenge it from what I know is the truth, and they're free to proceed as they please.

You're not going to change anyone's mind that doesn't see you as human and conditioned to view your history and people a certain way.
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:lol: :rolleyes So wait, by this logic...

Because I don't agree with you on something like "Hamas is bad" I don't see you as a human and my opinion is because I have been conditioned?
 
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me love nutella said:
Israel is inherently a racist, genocidal, apartheid, settler-colonial state. It has to be dismantled. Period. Israel was established illegitimately by settler European colonizers on the graves of our bodies. The UN Security Council did not even vote on it, but the Zionist colonizers just went ahead with the support of the Western colonial powers and took our lands. Where is there ANY moral or legal legitimacy to colonizing Palestine?
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Ignoring your misguided attempted personal attack on me here, I have a question remaining based on this passage.

You’ve established that you believe Hamas’s October terrorist attack on Israel was justified and Israel’s fault. You support violent resistance.
Do you believe Hamas should attack the United States? You imply here that the U.S., a Western colonial power, is also responsible for Palestine’s suffering (and I’m not even necessarily disagreeing with you on that point). By your logic, doesn’t the U.S. also deserve a violent attack?
 
me love nutella said:
It was basically Biden's 'Amalek' speech and greenlighting genocide. On some "these students are the children of darkness" type stuff.
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This is the same pier that was shot at with artillery a few days ago by "unknown" assailants.

Israel isn't the only party trying to push a narrative, you know...
me love nutella said:
Explain what's discussion in good faith.
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Calling Oct 7th - an attack on civilian centers - a legitimate military operation, or pretending that "Khamas" is a fly-by-night operation when they have had Gazan society in a chokehold is not what I would consider having honest viewpoints.
 
sneaksoy said:
Ignoring your misguided attempted personal attack on me here, I have a question remaining based on this passage.

You’ve established that you believe Hamas’s October terrorist attack on Israel was justified and Israel’s fault. You support violent resistance.
Do you believe Hamas should attack the United States? You imply here that the U.S., a Western colonial power, is also responsible for Palestine’s suffering (and I’m not even necessarily disagreeing with you on that point). By your logic, doesn’t the U.S. also deserve a violent attack?
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You insulted me first.

Before we proceed, what's wrong with explaining the factors that led to that Oct. 7?

Also, I can be against innocents being killed, and said that's horrific. I said Hamas committed war crimes when targeted unarmed civilians. I am not cool with taking children as hostages although the aim was to exchange for Palestinian children detained as hostage prisoners

I did say that it was an armed offensive as well, though, as Israeli military bases were ran through and targeted.

I also said I do think Israel exaggerated on what took place that day for propaganda and to manufacture consent for genocide, from what I gathered from Israeli SOURCES.

I am for any Palestinian resistance, whether violent or not. Hamas is not the only resistance. There is quite a few. Israel has an army, navy, air force, nuclear weapons etc. Palestinians don't have any official army. So how are they supposed to defend themselves to Israeli military and violence and the occupation?

Attacking U.S. directly, no. You can just attack their economy with boycotts and divest. Attacking U.S. military on our lands? Sure.

So you're just expecting Palestinians not to resist violently to their violent military occupation and oppression?

Why is Oct. 7 your starting point? Why are you centering Oct. 7?

So do you justify the violent Israeli occupation, apartheid, ethnic cleansing, military occupation and genocide against Palestinians? So October 7 just happened out of nowhere ?
 
DCAllAfrican said:
Is the movie any good?
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Zero clue but I can’t imagine it would have reason to be concerned about “cancel culture”

But outside of his dating habits, zero clue why Seinfeld would be concerned about any of his comedy being “cancelled”
 
gry60 said:

This is the same pier that was shot at with artillery a few days ago by "unknown" assailants.

Israel isn't the only party trying to push a narrative, you know...

Calling Oct 7th - an attack on civilian centers - a legitimate military operation, or pretending that "Khamas" is a fly-by-night operation when they have had Gazan society in a chokehold is not what I would consider having honest viewpoints.
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Ya that pier is fishy.

How was Oct. 7 not a legitimate military operation ? Military bases and checkpoints got taken over, and IDF colonels and officers were taken. Instructions were given to attack and kill Israeli soldiers at military bases that were maintaining siege of Gaza. Much of the IDF Gaza division that's responsible for so many massacres over the years in Gaza were wiped out. Look at what happened at the Eretz crossing.

Main point was gather as many captives, particularly soldiers. The operation is understood against backdrop of the Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange.

As for the kibbutz, some were targeted and many caught in crossfire exchange when Hamas tried to take as many captive. By the time IDF came, many standoffs ended or ended simply by shelling people's homes with tanks.

It was no 9/11 or suicide bombing terrorism type of operation which Israel and the U.S. have gotten some of you believe with their propaganda.

Again, see why narratives are important?
 
RustyShackleford said:
:lol: :rolleyes So wait, by this logic...

Because I don't agree with you on something like "Hamas is bad" I don't see you as a human and my opinion is because I have been conditioned?
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I was not talking about you. I was talking about others in general.

I know you actually do humanize an see you feeling for civilians and have read your posts denouncing the genocide.
 
MakeNTGreatAgain said:
Another example of a washed up person hatin on current gen.
Dude cashed in on the 90s enjoy life buster
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I thought people watched his show getting coffee with comedians


Obviously wasn’t curb or veep.. but it was something and they all still making bank from Seinfeld and everywhere that’s still on
 
me love nutella said:
Ya that pier is fishy.

How was Oct. 7 not a legitimate military operation ? Military bases and checkpoints got taken over, and IDF colonels and officers were taken. Instructions were given to attack and kill Israeli soldiers at military bases that were maintaining siege of Gaza. Much of the IDF Gaza division that's responsible for so many massacres over the years in Gaza were wiped out. Look at what happened at the Eretz crossing.

Main point was gather as many captives, particularly soldiers. The operation is understood against backdrop of the Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange.

As for the kibbutz, some were targeted and many caught in crossfire exchange when Hamas tried to take as many captive. By the time IDF came, many standoffs ended or ended simply by shelling people's homes with tanks.

It was no 9/11 or suicide bombing terrorism type of operation which Israel and the U.S. have gotten some of you believe with their propaganda.

Again, see why narratives are important?
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The problem with your story is:
- the border outposts were not actually manned. Most of them had monitoring systems outfitted on weapons that were remotely controlled.
- Hamas fighters didn't just capture active military; they also captured civilians, children, and foreigners
- they didn't avoid the music festival; they attacked it too.

You're omitting a lot about what happened that day in order to paint Hamas' actions as legitimate. If the goal was to capture as many IDF soldiers as possible, why attack where they were not?

 
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