Shaq trade offical like referree with a whistle (Planet Orange in SHOCK)

[bullsrepeat3peat]

Originally Posted by NBAdotcom

Originally Posted by 2wenty thre3


please remember one laker fan doesn't speak for all laker fans

i think all of us are just excited at the potential that bynum has, especially with all the changes that have been made...

The problem is that after a few good games, the majority of Fakers fans on this board were putting Bynum into the Mikan, Wilt, Kareem, Shaq line.
If you got all your sports info from this board you'd think that Bynum was already in the hall of fame.

ya.... it was and still is ridiculous... Dudes were acting like he was an all time great center

... He's young and talented, but the reality is he hasn't done anythingin this league yet....

Also Odom can have one good game and they act like he can do no wrong, but when he has a "bad" game, Isee nothing but endless ESPN trade machine scenarios and references of "Odumb"

 

[kookcle]

i want to hear d'antoni and Kerr's explanation on this

they'll probably sound like the Magic GM after trading for Brian Cook

"Brian (Cook) helps bolster our frontcourt,"

 

[kobefan88]

Also Odom can have one good game and they act like he can do no wrong, but when he has a "bad" game, I see nothing but endless ESPN trade machine scenarios and references of "Odumb"
you should probably go into the Lakers season thread before you talk anymore. There are a bunch of people who straight up say it is time to tradeOdom all the time reguardless of how he plays because they feel he is inconsistent.

 

[lnmymind]

Best believe ZoDogg will hop on if the trade is a success for the Suns...remember he was saying the Suns wouldnt make the playoffs when they signed Raja Belland he said similar things when they got Boris Diaw...now he's a fan.

 

[jsindaa]

Originally Posted by starbury03

Originally Posted by JsindaA


What are you slow? Bynum was easily a top 3 center this year when he was healthy. Not in the West...the LEAGUE. Why you think any one with a brain has said the Lakers are now a frontrunner (with SA and Dal) to get out of the West? I'll break it down for you. The Suns are a run and gun team, this trade FORCES them to change their entire offensive philosophy because Shaq will not survive in that offense. Everything is now about Shaq, not Nash, Shaq. Their entire season now hinges on someone with maybe 2 years left. Marion was also the #2 man on the team and as far as I'm concerned the most important player for their success. Yea I know Nash ran the offense but Marion almost single handedly kept them afloat with his rebounding, hustle, defense, and scoring. NO ONE else on that team did what he did. Now the Lakers have Bynum (who I've already addressed), Gasol an all star 4 who isn't selfish at all and in case you missed it he just had a monster debut (think of his production when he KNOWS the offense) and Odom who thrives when he gets to play his game...distribute. Stat can't guard anyone, Shaq is old and Diaw...is Diaw. Also remember the Lakers have Kobe who demands a double team. So how exactly do you expect this team to beat the Lakers....don't worry I'll wait.

NBAdotcom wrote:Are you on drugs?

Hmm...
Dwight Howard
Yaoming
Bosh
Camby
Al Jefferson
Chandler
Illgauskis
Dampier
Darko
Robert Swift

All are better than Bynum

Thanks NBAdotcom. I'm just hoping Darko and Swift are on there for LOLs. But point made.

#1 I don't know where you get your info from, but even with his large gravitational pull Shaq will not be the focus of the team.
#2 Bynum is in his first real productive season. How do you know he's ready for the post season coming back from this injury He isn't even playoff proven.

#3 Odom

It's something new every year I swear. I guess it's his time because he has plenty of people to "distribute" to right? Riiiight

. He isn't going to do a damn thing and you know it.

#4 Marion will be missed, but do you seriously believe the Suns are doomed because he's gone? You must be on that Britney Spears.
#5 Once Gasol proves something, then we can address him. I mean he has a great playoff record, clearly.

I'm not slow

. You're just MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD.


#1 You tell me how Shaq won't be the focus...he has to start. He can't run in their offense. So they have to change according to him. How thatisn't the focus is beyond me.

#2 I didn't say Bynum was ready...my statements were based on his play so far.

#3 Anyone who has watched Odom play knows he isn't comfortable as the #2 scoring option with Bryant, Gasol, and Bynum he won't have to be.

#4 Didn't say doomed...just have no clue how this works out for them. Not the only one who sees it that way.

#5 He's played for the Grizz...I'll repeat...He's played for the Grizz.

 

[23mcpizzle23]

As a Laker fan i love this trade no way they can keep up with our front line now... Clearly a down grade for the suns... And how can you say all these playersare better then andrew he was putting up numbers even with the 2nd leading scorer on his team all of these players are the 1st options on there teams and wouldnot put up numbers like they do on the lakers i can see Howard and Yao but thats it these other players are either non centers or just not even close i meannot even Mark Cubin would say Dampier is better than Andrew.
Bosh (not a true center)
Camby (Close but no look back to when the 2teams played)
Al Jefferson (NO!)
Chandler (look back to the last time they played Andrew did dude dirty)
Illgauskis (NO!)
Dampier (come on now dnt be dumb)
Darko (^)
Robert Swift (^)

 

[tupac003]

Bynum is great but he is no where close to a top 3 center. I really really see why laker fans are hated because damn some of us say some real stupid mess.

The suns still are the best team in the west record wise so I don't understand why they make this deal. If they some how some way win the chip, steve kerrwill be a god in PHX.

 

[jsindaa]

Originally Posted by franchise3

I'm sorry but your opinion from here on out is null and void.

If Bynum hadn't gotten hurt he would have taken that C spot in the All-Star game?

If Camby + Chandler didn't make it, there is no way that Bynum would have.

Again, Bynum is a nice young big who has been playing well, but let's not get carried away here.

Why wouldn't/couldn't he have? It would have been up to the coaches and up til he got injured he was becoming a BIG problem. Lakers were 1st in theWest with him, dropped without. I highly doubt had he never gotten injured that they would have fell to where they are now and/or NO would have gotten to the1st spot. Camby doesn't really produce on offense so you know he wasn't making it. Chandler is playing well....but I never really thought he had a shotanyways. Not really getting carried away...just saying when he wasn't injured his name was thrown around quite a bit as a possibility to get that spot. Soit can't just be me.

 

[nbadotcom]

Originally Posted by lnMyMind

Best believe ZoDogg will hop on if the trade is a success for the Suns...remember he was saying the Suns wouldnt make the playoffs when they signed Raja Bell and he said similar things when they got Boris Diaw...now he's a fan.

I never said that about Raja.
I wasn't thrilled when we signed Nash. I'll admit that. I thought we gave him WAY too much money - I was damn wrong about that.

I was indifferent to the Bell signing. I though his defense would be a nice addition.

I hated the Diaw trade from the beginning and I feel the same way today. I don't like Boris.

You might be thinking of when we signed James Jones. I didn't know who the hell he was because I wasn't wasting my time watching the Pacers (and mostof the East)...I questioned why we gave him a pretty decent contract for his career playing 10 MPG with Indiana to that point. I did like James Jones duringhis time in a Suns uniform and I'm sorry we sold him to Portland.

 

[franchise3]

The bottomline is, how many games did Bynum start?

Did he produce, yeah, he did.

But, again, let's not get carried away here.

Let's not give him any sort of title until he has a consistent track record.

Secondly, Bynum was doing great, but let's be real.

You put Chandler or Camby on that Lakers team in place of Bynum, and it'll be a wrap.

Chandler + Camby > Bynum

.......until Bynum proves otherwise.

 

[jsindaa]

Originally Posted by tupac003

Bynum is great but he is no where close to a top 3 center. I really really see why laker fans are hated because damn some of us say some real stupid mess.

The suns still are the best team in the west record wise so I don't understand why they make this deal. If they some how some way win the chip, steve kerr will be a god in PHX.

How can you use the word great to descibe him? There aren't even alot of good centers in the league let alone great.

 

[the dauqs]

Im sorry but Bynum's 13 and 10 dont make him on of the best center's in the league. Not yet at least. He has shown tremendous improvement. Thats it.This coming from a Laker fan all my life.

 

[joe mcknight is ballin]

Originally Posted by JsindaA

Originally Posted by tupac003

Bynum is great but he is no where close to a top 3 center. I really really see why laker fans are hated because damn some of us say some real stupid mess.

The suns still are the best team in the west record wise so I don't understand why they make this deal. If they some how some way win the chip, steve kerr will be a god in PHX.

How can you use the word great to descibe him? There aren't even alot of good centers in the league let alone great.

cause its great to have him on the lakers. maybe you shouldnt be taking things so literally.

 

[jsindaa]

Originally Posted by franchise3

The bottomline is, how many games did Bynum start?

Did he produce, yeah, he did.

But, again, let's not get carried away here.

Let's not give him any sort of title until he has a consistent track record.

Secondly, Bynum was doing great, but let's be real.

You put Chandler or Camby on that Lakers team in place of Bynum, and it'll be a wrap.

Chandler + Camby > Bynum

.......until Bynum proves otherwise.

I can see where you are coming from but realize....he was JUST hitting his stride before he got injured. Camby in place of Bynum no. He doesn't produceon offense. He's a h#ll of a defensive player but not so much on offense. Chandler, same thing, except he's an upgrade from Camby. Bynum was a monsteron the offensive and defensive side of the ball.....you can't really say that about alot of centers right now.

 

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http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0206shaqlatest.html

Shaq To Nash: "I Will Not Let You Down"

Shaquille O'Neal delivered a title to the Miami Heat and he hopes to do the same for the Phoenix Suns .

O'Neal spoke with Steve Nash and Amare Stoudemire on Tuesday.

"I will not let you down," O'Neal told Nash on the phone.

According to the report in the Arizona Republic, O'Neal is down to 312 pounds and is expected to easily pass his physical

 

[ai bundy]

Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk

But Chandler and Camby lol.

And nobody would take Kaman over Bynum in a trade.
None of those three are having better years than Bynum? Whether or not you'd take them through trade is irrelevant. They are having better years.

Of the guys I listed, which ones don't log heavy minutes at the C position? Boozer maybe, but that's it.
How are they having better years? Chandler and Camby are better defenders, but offensively it's not even close. Bynum is far and away more skilledthan each of them. Bynum demands consistent double teams in the low post, something of which Camby or Chandler will never do in their careers. I don't knowwhat games or stats you're looking at, but I don't see how it's clear cut that they're having better years.

 

[jsindaa]

Originally Posted by The Dauqs

Im sorry but Bynum's 13 and 10 dont make him on of the best center's in the league. Not yet at least. He has shown tremendous improvement. Thats it. This coming from a Laker fan all my life.

Like I said before stats don't tell the entire story. Same holds true for a player like Calderon....he (had he been starting from jump) would haveeither been in or deserved to be in the all-star game. I have said this is IMO but I would have only taken 2 centers over him this year.

 

[b1lly hoyle]

2 Things:

* I don't know where the idea came about that Shaq is a slob w/ a cane. Dude is in incredible shape and OBVIOUSLY coasting through the season. He WILL turnit on...albeit not in his 2001 form.

* Marion WAS leaving this summer out of his own stubbornness. The team wasn't going to win with him and he was bolting anyways.

This deal could certainly work out well for PHX.

 

[allen3xis]

I would never bet against Shaq.

That's all I got to say about the Phoenix end of this trade

 

[you big dummy]

Originally Posted by BullsRepeat3Peat

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0206shaqlatest.html

Shaq To Nash: "I Will Not Let You Down"

Shaquille O'Neal delivered a title to the Miami Heat and he hopes to do the same for the Phoenix Suns .

O'Neal spoke with Steve Nash and Amare Stoudemire on Tuesday.

"I will not let you down," O'Neal told Nash on the phone.

According to the report in the Arizona Republic, O'Neal is down to 312 pounds and is expected to easily pass his physical

 

[bullsrepeat3peat]

* I don't know where the idea came about that Shaq is a slob w/ a cane. Dude is in incredible shape and OBVIOUSLY coasting through the season. He WILL turn it on...albeit not in his 2001 form.
yup

I would never bet against Shaq.

same here

 

[la laker devotee]

Originally Posted by BullsRepeat3Peat

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0206shaqlatest.html

Shaq To Nash: "I Will Not Let You Down"

Shaquille O'Neal delivered a title to the Miami Heat and he hopes to do the same for the Phoenix Suns .

O'Neal spoke with Steve Nash and Amare Stoudemire on Tuesday.

"I will not let you down," O'Neal told Nash on the phone.

According to the report in the Arizona Republic, O'Neal is down to 312 pounds and is expected to easily pass his physical

Shaq is a man of many word, however I would never bet against him. I'm curious to see how he plays when he gets out there in Phoenix.

 

[nbadotcom]

Originally Posted by JsindaA

Originally Posted by The Dauqs

Im sorry but Bynum's 13 and 10 dont make him on of the best center's in the league. Not yet at least. He has shown tremendous improvement. Thats it. This coming from a Laker fan all my life.

Like I said before stats don't tell the entire story. Same holds true for a player like Calderon....he (had he been starting from jump) would have either been in or deserved to be in the all-star game. I have said this is IMO but I would have only taken 2 centers over him this year.

You can have Caledron and Bynum...and I'll take Camby and...well...virtually any other starting PG in the NBA. And you'd get killed.

@ the thought of CALDERON in the ASG

 

[the dauqs]

Originally Posted by JsindaA

Originally Posted by The Dauqs

Im sorry but Bynum's 13 and 10 dont make him on of the best center's in the league. Not yet at least. He has shown tremendous improvement. Thats it. This coming from a Laker fan all my life.

Like I said before stats don't tell the entire story. Same holds true for a player like Calderon....he (had he been starting from jump) would have either been in or deserved to be in the all-star game. I have said this is IMO but I would have only taken 2 centers over him this year.

 

[ai bundy]

Originally Posted by franchise3

The bottomline is, how many games did Bynum start?

Did he produce, yeah, he did.

But, again, let's not get carried away here.

Let's not give him any sort of title until he has a consistent track record.

Secondly, Bynum was doing great, but let's be real.

You put Chandler or Camby on that Lakers team in place of Bynum, and it'll be a wrap.

Chandler + Camby > Bynum

.......until Bynum proves otherwise.

Dude seriously are you drunk? I seriously doubt the Lakers or their fans would rather have Chandler or Camby instead of Bynum. Before the injury,a lot of the Lakers offense revolved around Bynum in the low post. You cannot do that with Camby or Chandler because quite frankly, their skills suckoffensively.