Stranger Things: Season4 in 2022? WTF


Serge is wrong for that hair, he know he needs to just cut it off or at least get the spray paint going on that bald spot.

She a snack. Her mom is the entree.
Moms though forreal could get it, how the song go Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. That bathroom scene and the following with the brother looking for his sister. I was like oh season 2 has really come alive.
 
Nah Max's bro is racist. I thought it was obvious. But Max is one of fav character and I hope shes back for season 3. El needs to calm with her

Dustin is an idiot. He finds an otherworldly creature and decides to just keep it like its nothing lol
 
I didn't see it as racist. Just so happened that it was Lucas who he always caught with Max. Billy wanted her to stay away from all those kids.
 
How Stranger Things Subverted the "Token Black Kid" Trope

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It's a tale as old as non-segregated television time. There's a group of white kids in the center of the action, but they also hang out with one person of color (most commonly black) who is often steeped heavily in stereotypes and basically just there to say, "Hey, we're a diverse group!" They might drop a couple of one-liners, but they never really take center stage or do anything meaningful for the story.

The Token Minority trope, a problem that Hollywood has been trying to overcome — especially in the wake of the #OscarsSoWhite campaign a few years ago — is a trap that Stranger Things Season 2 easily could have fallen into given its cast and the early '80s setting in small town Indiana. The Token Minority trope plagued '80s television and movies, including classics like The Goonies (in that case, a token Asian character) and Alien which were clear inspirations for Stranger Things. But the show never got close: In fact, one of the stand-out features of the series' sophomore effort was that it didn't let nostalgia recreate one of the most overplayed racial faux pas of all time. The series not only highlighted the toxic trope, but then it cleverly subverted it without making the audience feel like they were receiving a lecture on diversity and inclusion.

Lucas Sinclair (Caleb McLaughlin) is the only black member of the Party, the tight knit group of middle school Dungeons and Dragons geeks that ground the Netflix series. While Lucas' character wasn't as tangential to the first season's plot as Tokens normally are — his thoughtful hesitation about trusting Eleven (Millie Bobby Brown) created a necessary friction within the group of friends to build to the plot's climax — the show never drew attention to the fact that Lucas was the only kid of color in the group or questioned what that meant. He was important to the story, but by ignoring even the subtle politics of Lucas' race within the group — because unfortunately, race is relevant at every age, in every time period, in every situation in America — Stranger Things dodged the trope, but did nothing to negate it in its first season.

The series got to work in correcting that oversight in the second episode of Season 2 with an argument about Halloween costumes that every suburban poc will recognize. The crew decided to go as the Ghostbusters, but both Lucas and Mike (Finn Wolfhard) arrived at school as Venkman, originally played by Bill Murray in the iconic film. Mike threw a fit because he assumed Lucas would be Winston, Ghostbusters' own token black character, played by Ernie Hudson. Winston was the only non-scientist of the paranormal fighting group and thus of no interest to Lucas, a young explorer in his own right. Lucas didn't mince words when calling Mike out for presuming he'd dress up as that character purely because of his skin color.

The decision to put the argument in the series was a conscious choice by the creative team, even though its a touchy subject for adolescents.

"Everyone's favorite character back then was Venkman...It felt like it could have very well been an argument the Duffer [brothers, show creators] had when they were kids," executive producer Dan Cohen recently told TV Guide on the Stranger Things premiere red carpet. "It felt like a very natural thing for those kids to go through and Lucas has every right to not be that character if he doesn't want to."

The exchange between the two friends highlights the similarities between the Party and the Ghostbusters while simultaneously showing how they are different. Lucas is every bit as smart as his cohorts. They hang out together because they are all equally invested in the A.V. club, video games and playing Dungeons & Dragons. Lucas' involvement in those activities makes him an equal member of the group, rather than someone obviously added in just to check off a diversity box. Lucas is not a prop (that's kind of Will's bag this season), nor is he just comic relief.

Instead, Lucas actually moved from C-plot to B-plot this season (the main focus of the show is, and should be, the other-dimensional monsters terrorizing the town). He was the first of the the Party to develop a genuine romantic relationship, since Mike and Eleven only flirted (save one kiss) in Season 1 and were separated for most of Season 2. Max (Sadie Sink), the badass new girl in town, became the center of both Lucas' and Dustin's (Gaten Matarazzo) affections. She, herself, eventually transcended her own romantic interest trope and became a savior of sorts for the Party — but she wouldn't have been involved at all if it weren't for Lucas' character development.

Stranger Things separated Lucas and Dustin by having them go after Max with completely different approaches. Dustin took Steve's (Joe Keery) woefully immature advice of pretending not to care about Max. It still would have been easy and believable to pair her with Dustin, the show's lovable goofball and fan-favorite character. Everyone loves him, so why wouldn't she? However, Lucas followed his gut and went out of his way to make Max feel like part of their group when none of the others would. He was more mature and developed a real bond with Max, and thus he is rewarded with not only her affection but a kiss in the most heartwarming scene of the series — the middle school Snowball dance.


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Sadie Sink and Caleb McLaughlin, Stranger Things

It's 2017 and while Twitter might say that pairing a red-haired white girl with a black boy wouldn't be considered progressive but rather totally normal and not worth commenting on — it isn't nearly as normal as you'd think, especially in this time period. Stranger Things would have done a disservice to its audience if it had pretended it was. It's not subverting a trope if you simply pretend that skin color isn't a thing, but it also would have been overkill to have the 12-year-old boys discuss the nuanced politics of interracial dating in the 1980s. That's not this show.

The series made the more subtle move of positioning Max's stepbrother Billy (Dacre Montgomery) as the primary roadblock to Max and Lucas' budding relationship. Billy never out-and-out said he doesn't want Max hanging out with a black kid, but his unnatural aggression toward Lucas throughout the season, culminating in a physical attack in the finale, showed the danger of Lucas pursuing his crush in a way his friends would never and will never have to think about.

"We talked about [Billy] really being a human monster and really having some intense feelings in him and wanting to lean into that," Cohen explained. "What's great about his character actually is that as mean as he is, you see where it comes from later on in the season with that interaction with his family, but yes, he clearly has some intense feelings that can be bigoted."

Billy's low-key racism is explained by the fact that he's abused by his father. It's a classic case of a lower class white kid feeling the need to belittle someone else to make himself better, but that doesn't change the stakes for Lucas. Stranger Things doesn't spend a lot of time talking about why Billy hated Lucas, but it's enough to show that the series hadn't lost sight of the fact that things are more complicated for Lucas than the rest of his friends, even at the innocent age of 12.

If this show were actually written in the '80s instead of just set there, its doubtful any of this nuance would have existed for Lucas. That's the danger of the Token black kid trope. It robs those characters of agency and identity, simultaneously. Too often the trope has limited actors of color to roles with no grit or ones that existed purely to service the characters played by their white co-stars. Stranger Things Season 2 pulled off a deft combination of illuminating the creative trap, sidestepping it and elevating one of their only characters of color without erasing his race or distracting from the primary plot. Lucas was instrumental in defeating the Shadow Monster and the other relics of the Upside Down without the show ignoring that his experience in all of this is different from the others, even if it wasn't explicitly discussed. The upgrade in Lucas' importance to the plot and his detailed character development subverted the trope and created a more authentic, and thus more compelling, story. Things will only get more interesting in Season 3 when Lucas' and Max's parents find out they're dating.

And in the end, Cohen was right: Lucas had every right to want to be Venkman, and so does every kid of color out there being shoved into a box based on their skin color. Here's to hoping all the kids out there cosplaying Stranger Things want to be Lucas, not just because he's black, but because he's awesome, smart, and is the best with the ladies.

We know at least Dustin wishes he could be Lucas, and that's pretty *****in'.

Stranger Things is now streaming on Netflix.
 
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maxs brother was so over the top I thought they were tryna hide the fact that max had powers or something

his character is way out there
 
could be, they mentioned something happened while they were in the car and they both blame eachother for it

I know I mentioned earlier will looks like the wife from the shining but hopper looks exactly like jack from the shining

dustin looks like the hobbit too

mike reminds me of the jigsaw doll
 
maxs brother was so over the top I thought they were tryna hide the fact that max had powers or something

his character is way out there

I enjoyed the douchiness of his character until he started abusing Lucas :lol
 
maxs brother was so over the top I thought they were tryna hide the fact that max had powers or something

his character is way out there

Think it's just another case of them introducing something only to expand on it the next season because he and Max were completely useless to everything going on. I also didn't like little tension they tried to establish between Max and Eleven. That's a storyline they shouldn't be running with on kids THIS young.
 
Think it's just another case of them introducing something only to expand on it the next season because he and Max were completely useless to everything going on. I also didn't like little tension they tried to establish between Max and Eleven. That's a storyline they shouldn't be running with on kids THIS young.

there were only 2 things I didn’t like bout season 2, billy and maxs exchange and hopper and elevens exchange

max and billys scenes together were just super dramatic and was annoying to watch

hopper and eleven played out too long and it came off more like husband and wife instead of father and daughter

it was awkward as hell for me to watch especially in the middle of all this hollywood stuff coming out
 
hopper and eleven played out too long and it came off more like husband and wife instead of father and daughter

it was awkward as hell for me to watch especially in the middle of all this hollywood stuff coming out

What gave you that impression? Sure it didn't come off as the typical father and daughter argument, but they're not typical father and daughter.
 
it didn’t look any different than dustin vs lucas for max

it came off as a love triangle between eleven, hopper and mike

it just looked horrible on screen for me
 
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there were only 2 things I didn’t like bout season 2, billy and maxs exchange and hopper and elevens exchange

max and billys scenes together were just super dramatic and was annoying to watch

hopper and eleven played out too long and it came off more like husband and wife instead of father and daughter

it was awkward as hell for me to watch especially in the middle of all this hollywood stuff coming out

it didn’t look any different than dustin vs lucas for max

it came off as a love triangle between eleven, hopper and mike

it just looked horrible on screen for me
 
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