The Official NBA Collective Bargaining Thread vol Phased in Hard Cap

[everysingletime]

I guess what I'm trying to say is I know I'm going to pissed as hell if in 2 months time the players take a deal worse than what is on the table now because

1. being too dumb to prepare for lockout
2. failing to recognize how good a deal the first deal was to begin with

Which means they wasted everybody's time. 

it'd be like hypothetically speaking: pacquiao doing !%@+ to prepare  for his fight against mayweather and then he gets his dumb !!* beat down in like 4 rounds due to lack of preparation.  wouldn't you be pissed that pacquiao wasted your +$%%%$* time.

don't simply try and delay the inevitable by posturing but really try to win.  it just truly irks me when I see photos of meetings and they're in street clothes

like how seriously can you be taking all this if you do $+*# like that.  If I was derek fisher I'd be like what the %+!* are you doing here you're just taking up space.  same guys prolly partied the whole summer not thinking about the upcoming lockout.

#endrant  Yes I am mad. 

 

[grittyman20]

if they were really serious about weathering the lockout they'd have at least saved up.

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]What evidence do you have to support this statement? [/font]

 

[grittyman20]

if they were really serious about weathering the lockout they'd have at least saved up.

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]What evidence do you have to support this statement? [/font]

 

[everysingletime]

^Wilson Chandler and JR Smith signing with China even though they don't do opt out clauses.  You don't pull that kind of stuff unless you're living check to check and hard up for money.

McGee's tweet. 

The 99 lockout ended because players were running out of money.  I can't imagine why now would different. 

And NBA playerrs are just notorious for their spending habits in general.

 

[everysingletime]

^Wilson Chandler and JR Smith signing with China even though they don't do opt out clauses.  You don't pull that kind of stuff unless you're living check to check and hard up for money.

McGee's tweet. 

The 99 lockout ended because players were running out of money.  I can't imagine why now would different. 

And NBA playerrs are just notorious for their spending habits in general.

 

[sooperhooper]

Millionaires living check to check

players just need to take the L. Greed and pride at its best.

 

[sooperhooper]

Millionaires living check to check

players just need to take the L. Greed and pride at its best.

 

[n ll k 3]

I guess what I'm trying to say is I know I'm going to pissed as hell if in 2 months time the players take a deal worse than what is on the table now because

1. being too dumb to prepare for lockout
2. failing to recognize how good a deal the first deal was to begin with

Which means they wasted everybody's time. 
As much as I hate to admit it, this man has a point.  Regardless of what's right or wrong, $tern and the owners ain't budging until the end of time (and if they do, it'll be a miniscule amount to the point where waiting a moth or 2 or 3 was worthless).

And it just struck me exactly how ridiculous it is that these dudes are walking up into these high level business deals/meetings that will change their lives forever w/ Jumpan tees and sneakers on.

...

I'm sure it's a silent protest against $tern's dress code, but it is counterproductive as all hell.

Save the "it's just clothes, wear what you want to wear and don't care what the next man does" argument. 

How do you even expect to be taken seriously w/ these types of businessmen in the biggest negotiation you will ever be apart of?

 

[n ll k 3]

I guess what I'm trying to say is I know I'm going to pissed as hell if in 2 months time the players take a deal worse than what is on the table now because

1. being too dumb to prepare for lockout
2. failing to recognize how good a deal the first deal was to begin with

Which means they wasted everybody's time. 
As much as I hate to admit it, this man has a point.  Regardless of what's right or wrong, $tern and the owners ain't budging until the end of time (and if they do, it'll be a miniscule amount to the point where waiting a moth or 2 or 3 was worthless).

And it just struck me exactly how ridiculous it is that these dudes are walking up into these high level business deals/meetings that will change their lives forever w/ Jumpan tees and sneakers on.

...

I'm sure it's a silent protest against $tern's dress code, but it is counterproductive as all hell.

Save the "it's just clothes, wear what you want to wear and don't care what the next man does" argument. 

How do you even expect to be taken seriously w/ these types of businessmen in the biggest negotiation you will ever be apart of?

 

[cosmiccanon]

Originally Posted by N ll K 3

I guess what I'm trying to say is I know I'm going to pissed as hell if in 2 months time the players take a deal worse than what is on the table now because

1. being too dumb to prepare for lockout
2. failing to recognize how good a deal the first deal was to begin with

Which means they wasted everybody's time. 

As much as I hate to admit it, this man has a point.  Regardless of what's right or wrong, $tern and the owners ain't budging until the end of time (and if they do, it'll be a miniscule amount to the point where waiting a moth or 2 or 3 was worthless).

And it just struck me exactly how ridiculous it is that these dudes are walking up into these high level business deals/meetings that will change their lives forever w/ Jumpan tees and sneakers on.

...

I'm sure it's a silent protest against $tern's dress code, but it is counterproductive as all hell.

Save the "it's just clothes, wear what you want to wear and don't care what the next man does" argument. 

How do you even expect to be taken seriously w/ these types of businessmen in the biggest negotiation you will ever be apart of?


Yep 

 

[cosmiccanon]

Originally Posted by N ll K 3

I guess what I'm trying to say is I know I'm going to pissed as hell if in 2 months time the players take a deal worse than what is on the table now because

1. being too dumb to prepare for lockout
2. failing to recognize how good a deal the first deal was to begin with

Which means they wasted everybody's time. 

As much as I hate to admit it, this man has a point.  Regardless of what's right or wrong, $tern and the owners ain't budging until the end of time (and if they do, it'll be a miniscule amount to the point where waiting a moth or 2 or 3 was worthless).

And it just struck me exactly how ridiculous it is that these dudes are walking up into these high level business deals/meetings that will change their lives forever w/ Jumpan tees and sneakers on.

...

I'm sure it's a silent protest against $tern's dress code, but it is counterproductive as all hell.

Save the "it's just clothes, wear what you want to wear and don't care what the next man does" argument. 

How do you even expect to be taken seriously w/ these types of businessmen in the biggest negotiation you will ever be apart of?


Yep 

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I hate when people say the players drive the sports, that doesn't entitle the players to anything.

1. A very small group of players you could say "drive the sport", and the owners have no problem paying them, but unfortunately the union is made up of middle class players who do NOT drive the sport, who are grossly overpaid in the grand scheme of things and utterly replaceable, but they want to maintain their 5.5 million dollar average salary which is to high. The union is just as "greedy" they want money and that 99% don't deserve.

2. Regardless of who drives the sport, the owners take the risk, this is how business in America works, you take the risk you have a right to make a profit and do what you need to do to turn one. The economy is down, the cost of everything has risen (jet fuel, hotel costs) and the one cost that you can control is the players, and they are entitled to what ever they can bargain and by hook or by crook We are headed to that 50-50 split with a harder cap, and decreased mid level.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I hate when people say the players drive the sports, that doesn't entitle the players to anything.

1. A very small group of players you could say "drive the sport", and the owners have no problem paying them, but unfortunately the union is made up of middle class players who do NOT drive the sport, who are grossly overpaid in the grand scheme of things and utterly replaceable, but they want to maintain their 5.5 million dollar average salary which is to high. The union is just as "greedy" they want money and that 99% don't deserve.

2. Regardless of who drives the sport, the owners take the risk, this is how business in America works, you take the risk you have a right to make a profit and do what you need to do to turn one. The economy is down, the cost of everything has risen (jet fuel, hotel costs) and the one cost that you can control is the players, and they are entitled to what ever they can bargain and by hook or by crook We are headed to that 50-50 split with a harder cap, and decreased mid level.

 

[doublejs07]

Originally Posted by N ll K 3

I guess what I'm trying to say is I know I'm going to pissed as hell if in 2 months time the players take a deal worse than what is on the table now because

1. being too dumb to prepare for lockout
2. failing to recognize how good a deal the first deal was to begin with

Which means they wasted everybody's time. 

As much as I hate to admit it, this man has a point.  Regardless of what's right or wrong, $tern and the owners ain't budging until the end of time (and if they do, it'll be a miniscule amount to the point where waiting a moth or 2 or 3 was worthless).

And it just struck me exactly how ridiculous it is that these dudes are walking up into these high level business deals/meetings that will change their lives forever w/ Jumpan tees and sneakers on.

...

I'm sure it's a silent protest against $tern's dress code, but it is counterproductive as all hell.

Save the "it's just clothes, wear what you want to wear and don't care what the next man does" argument. 

How do you even expect to be taken seriously w/ these types of businessmen in the biggest negotiation you will ever be apart of?


Agreed...these guys look like they don't give a %%@$.  It's about to get real when more of these paychecks don't come in.  Owners got this. 

 

[doublejs07]

Originally Posted by N ll K 3

I guess what I'm trying to say is I know I'm going to pissed as hell if in 2 months time the players take a deal worse than what is on the table now because

1. being too dumb to prepare for lockout
2. failing to recognize how good a deal the first deal was to begin with

Which means they wasted everybody's time. 

As much as I hate to admit it, this man has a point.  Regardless of what's right or wrong, $tern and the owners ain't budging until the end of time (and if they do, it'll be a miniscule amount to the point where waiting a moth or 2 or 3 was worthless).

And it just struck me exactly how ridiculous it is that these dudes are walking up into these high level business deals/meetings that will change their lives forever w/ Jumpan tees and sneakers on.

...

I'm sure it's a silent protest against $tern's dress code, but it is counterproductive as all hell.

Save the "it's just clothes, wear what you want to wear and don't care what the next man does" argument. 

How do you even expect to be taken seriously w/ these types of businessmen in the biggest negotiation you will ever be apart of?


Agreed...these guys look like they don't give a %%@$.  It's about to get real when more of these paychecks don't come in.  Owners got this. 

 

[cash is clay]

all i know is getting close and someone needs to take out stern NBA real life whatever just get dude off the thrown i have no idea why they need so many damn meeting all i know is my team is a damn pubic hair away from another ring this needs to be taken care of for the fans greedy +$# millionaires only thinking about there damn selves

 

[cash is clay]

all i know is getting close and someone needs to take out stern NBA real life whatever just get dude off the thrown i have no idea why they need so many damn meeting all i know is my team is a damn pubic hair away from another ring this needs to be taken care of for the fans greedy +$# millionaires only thinking about there damn selves

 

[cosmiccanon]

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

I hate when people say the players drive the sports, that doesn't entitle the players to anything.

1. A very small group of players you could say "drive the sport", and the owners have no problem paying them, but unfortunately the union is made up of middle class players who do NOT drive the sport, who are grossly overpaid in the grand scheme of things and utterly replaceable, but they want to maintain their 5.5 million dollar average salary which is to high. The union is just as "greedy" they want money and that 99% don't deserve.

2. Regardless of who drives the sport, the owners take the risk, this is how business in America works, you take the risk you have a right to make a profit and do what you need to do to turn one. The economy is down, the cost of everything has risen (jet fuel, hotel costs) and the one cost that you can control is the players, and they are entitled to what ever they can bargain and by hook or by crook We are headed to that 50-50 split with a harder cap, and decreased mid level.

Did not read what DubA just said. 

 They do not hear my good man.
Edit

Bob Ryan should stop talking about this lockout, his old *** doesn't know what he's talking about. Why are people who know nothing about the subject, want to open their mouths about it? 

 

[duba169]

If the owners have no problem paying the superstars then there should be no max contract

I promise the 20 million the Knicks pay melo are pennies compared to what they make on him

But whatever this is pointless. The players union looks like a joke. We all know how this movie ends.

 

[duba169]

Gilbert is the man known as "Subprime Dan," the who made his millions as CEO of Quicken Loans, offering 0%, no money down mortgages to potential home buyers over the Internet. This kind of legalized loan sharking of course wrecked the US economy. But it didn't wreck Gilbert. As foreclosures reached record highs in Cleveland, Quicken Loans reported that 2009-2010 has been their most profitable period in the company's history. Now while people throughout the state of Ohio have lost their homes and livelihoods at the altar of Quicken Loans, Gilbert has announced that he will be opening four casinos throughout the state. He also funded the referendums that secured his right to legalize gambling in the state. Anyone who has been to a casino in Detroit can predict what their Ohio variant will look like: working class families -- black, brown, and white -- dragging their kids to the bingo parlor and the penny slots hoping against hope they can raise enough to keep the bank from taking their home -- perhaps even thanks to a subprime mortgage courtesy of Quicken Loans


This is one of the faces of the lockout. Oh woe is me. These are the people that the economy "hurt". We must save them from these damn greedy players. It isn't even worth posting a sterling article

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Originally Posted by DubA169

If the owners have no problem paying the superstars then there should be no max contract

I promise the 20 million the Knicks pay melo are pennies compared to what they make on him

But whatever this is pointless. The players union looks like a joke. We all know how this movie ends.

The majority of the union is ultimately in favor of max contracts, more money for the middle class.

 

[everysingletime]

Originally Posted by DubA169

Gilbert is the man known as "Subprime Dan," the who made his millions as CEO of Quicken Loans, offering 0%, no money down mortgages to potential home buyers over the Internet. This kind of legalized loan sharking of course wrecked the US economy. But it didn't wreck Gilbert. As foreclosures reached record highs in Cleveland, Quicken Loans reported that 2009-2010 has been their most profitable period in the company's history. Now while people throughout the state of Ohio have lost their homes and livelihoods at the altar of Quicken Loans, Gilbert has announced that he will be opening four casinos throughout the state. He also funded the referendums that secured his right to legalize gambling in the state. Anyone who has been to a casino in Detroit can predict what their Ohio variant will look like: working class families -- black, brown, and white -- dragging their kids to the bingo parlor and the penny slots hoping against hope they can raise enough to keep the bank from taking their home -- perhaps even thanks to a subprime mortgage courtesy of Quicken Loans


This is one of the faces of the lockout. Oh woe is me. These are the people that the economy "hurt". We must save them from these damn greedy players. It isn't even worth posting a sterling article

I'm not naive.  I mean, I can recognize that some of these owners are known for their shady histories, and I'm open to the possibility that some of these owners with spotless records are not so squeaky clean either. 

But that's also why I want the players to take their deal now.  Given everything the owners are capable of, I feel like they are actually playing nice to start (10 percent off millions of dollars is nothing) ... but the more this drags the more hard ball the owners will play. 

And I don't think the players are smart enough to recognize that. 


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It's like this.  I'm an RN.  I can recognize when I'm out treating patients that the administrators who run the damn hospital don't give a damn about the patients.  They just care about the bottom line.  The money from insurance, contracts with technology people, whatever. 

As long as I'm earning my paycheck I'm just keeping it moving you know.  And I get to make people better in the process.

But then when **%# hits the fan for these hospital administrators they don't go to their RNs and say, "All right to save my bottom line, I'll make a new collective bargaining agreement with y'all...to fatten my pockets all I ask is for 10 percent of your salary."

You know what these hospital administrators do?  They FIRE ppl.  Or they close down hospitals.  Cut their losses.  And hundreds of healthcare/medical professionals are out of jobs. 

I cannot feel sorry for these players one bit.

 

[beware the underdog]

It was only a matter of time before the FANS started turning on the players.

David Joel $tern I see you.

 

[beware the underdog]

It was only a matter of time before the FANS started turning on the players.

David Joel $tern I see you.

 

[duba169]

Co-owner Wyc Grousbeck, who has been representing the team in labor negotiations and is part of the league’s Board of Governors, has not been as active recently as he was a few years ago. There was a perception that Grousbeck was a hard-line owner willing to cancel the season, but he has backed off that stance.