The Penn State Child-Sex Abuse Scandal Thread...Hammer dropped on PSU...sanctions galore.

[af1 1982]

Originally Posted by StillIn729

Originally Posted by Jello B Afro

Originally Posted by AndrewLuck

It's just apparent that the community of Penn State just doesn't get it. Football is just so serious out there, it's plain disgusting.

yeah it's sad that's their sole identity, basically

without that they're back to being an institution predominantly based on agriculture

Seriously rip PSU all you want for this scandal because it's all due but don't talk about academics when you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about

Me and you and a couple of others are really the only ones who understand the ridiculousness of the accusations on Penn State academics and extracurriculars.
Without football we would be based on agriculture? Penn State is one of the finest Engineering schools in the country. And it has been said by SEVERAL newspapers, magazines, websites that a PSU degree is one of the most valuable college degrees out there. 

 

[andrewluck]

Originally Posted by af1 1982

I'm sorry but it's just extremely frustrating when the public is not educated on an issue and trusts the media for everything. As I've said last night, the student body did the actions last night and I take full responsibility because I am a member of the student body.

I've respected your opinion greatly in this thread Luck. But this one I gotta disagree with you. It was not a riot that you think of. Even one of my first year teachers from Oakland today said that this is nothing compared to what's going out there with Occupy Oakland.

But yeah, keep posting. You're one of the very few people in this thread who's insight is very much needed.

I simply havta agree to disagree, the media does shove things down our throat, the Oakland riots are nothing, having attended a great portion of Occupy Oakland, the magnitude of the riots in Penn State is on a 10x greater level than what I ever saw took place in Oakland. Sadly, that's just how it is.

 

[af1 1982]

Originally Posted by AndrewLuck

Originally Posted by af1 1982

I'm sorry but it's just extremely frustrating when the public is not educated on an issue and trusts the media for everything. As I've said last night, the student body did the actions last night and I take full responsibility because I am a member of the student body.

I've respected your opinion greatly in this thread Luck. But this one I gotta disagree with you. It was not a riot that you think of. Even one of my first year teachers from Oakland today said that this is nothing compared to what's going out there with Occupy Oakland.

But yeah, keep posting. You're one of the very few people in this thread who's insight is very much needed.

I simply havta agree to disagree, the media does shove things down our throat, the Oakland riots are nothing, having attended a great portion of Occupy Oakland, the magnitude of the riots in Penn State is on a 10x greater level than what I ever saw took place in Oakland. Sadly, that's just how it is.

I have no experience whatsoever with Occupy Oakland, I'm just going off what my prof said. But thanks for the clarification

 

[stillin729]

Originally Posted by af1 1982

Originally Posted by StillIn729

Originally Posted by Jello B Afro

yeah it's sad that's their sole identity, basically

without that they're back to being an institution predominantly based on agriculture

Seriously rip PSU all you want for this scandal because it's all due but don't talk about academics when you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about

Me and you and a couple of others are really the only ones who understand the ridiculousness of the accusations on Penn State academics and extracurriculars.
Without football we would be based on agriculture? Penn State is one of the finest Engineering schools in the country. And it has been said by SEVERAL newspapers, magazines, websites that a PSU degree is one of the most valuable college degrees out there. 

100% accurate, everyone I know who graduated from the engineering program started around $75,000 and nursing, communications and business are also great programs, I can't expect people who make up facts to be rationale.

 

[andrewluck]

Originally Posted by af1 1982

Originally Posted by AndrewLuck

Originally Posted by af1 1982

I'm sorry but it's just extremely frustrating when the public is not educated on an issue and trusts the media for everything. As I've said last night, the student body did the actions last night and I take full responsibility because I am a member of the student body.

I've respected your opinion greatly in this thread Luck. But this one I gotta disagree with you. It was not a riot that you think of. Even one of my first year teachers from Oakland today said that this is nothing compared to what's going out there with Occupy Oakland.

But yeah, keep posting. You're one of the very few people in this thread who's insight is very much needed.

I simply havta agree to disagree, the media does shove things down our throat, the Oakland riots are nothing, having attended a great portion of Occupy Oakland, the magnitude of the riots in Penn State is on a 10x greater level than what I ever saw took place in Oakland. Sadly, that's just how it is.

I have no experience whatsoever with Occupy Oakland, I'm just going off what my prof said. But thanks for the clarification

Which is exactly why it's hard to compare the two, all we can go off is experience in both, and we both feel they are not as bad as portrayed. Something we both can agree on.

 

[stillin729]

http://www.slowstates.com...-sandusky-investigation/

March 31st...totally under the radar

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Originally Posted by StillIn729

Originally Posted by af1 1982

Originally Posted by StillIn729



Seriously rip PSU all you want for this scandal because it's all due but don't talk about academics when you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about

Me and you and a couple of others are really the only ones who understand the ridiculousness of the accusations on Penn State academics and extracurriculars.
Without football we would be based on agriculture? Penn State is one of the finest Engineering schools in the country. And it has been said by SEVERAL newspapers, magazines, websites that a PSU degree is one of the most valuable college degrees out there. 

100% accurate, everyone I know who graduated from the engineering program started around $75,000 and nursing, communications and business are also great programs, I can't expect people who make up facts to be rationale.

Not be a douchebad because Penn State is a good school however I think anybody who graduates with a degree in Engineering from a decent school will start out making that much.

 

[af1 1982]

Originally Posted by SneakerPro

Originally Posted by StillIn729

Originally Posted by af1 1982

Me and you and a couple of others are really the only ones who understand the ridiculousness of the accusations on Penn State academics and extracurriculars.
Without football we would be based on agriculture? Penn State is one of the finest Engineering schools in the country. And it has been said by SEVERAL newspapers, magazines, websites that a PSU degree is one of the most valuable college degrees out there. 

100% accurate, everyone I know who graduated from the engineering program started around $75,000 and nursing, communications and business are also great programs, I can't expect people who make up facts to be rationale.

Not be a douchebad because Penn State is a good school however I think anybody who graduates with a degree in Engineering from a decent school will start out making that much.

Totally understand where you're coming from. I'm a MechE myself and I know that Engineering is just naturally I high paying field. But I'll be the first to tell you that Penn State offers a high quality education. I've had professors answer emails at 3 oclock in the morning if I didn't understand something. I've had professors who are willing to go above and beyond for students. I know that doesn't sound like much but it means so much to me. And it just saddens me that the general public criticizes Penn State on only caring about football and yet they are the same people who judge Penn State solely on the actions of people involved with football. 
And football is not a big part of my experience here. Even with the great season they are having, I've sold more than half of my season tickets to concentrate on my studies because after all, I'm here to learn. Penn State means so much more to me than football and athletics. The University is great to their students and these 4 years I will truly cherish. I don't want this school to be remembered for it's athletics. I want the world to know how fine these teachers and professors are here. The athletes and coaches get all the praise here but it's the educators who truly change student's lives. 

I'm currently in my first semester of my sophomore year and I've had numerous lifechanging experiences, both good and bad. Maybe its just because I'm in college, idk but a large contribution of it is due to this school. And I am so damn proud to be apart of this university. Not because of it's great athletics but because of the fine academic institution it is. 

 

[renegade34474]

This sick mf uses the PSU football facilities to rape and molest boys( imagine how many times people DIDNT catch him ) for YEARS and people close to the program basically turned their heads.....

This is surreal ... like bad b-movie horror flick type shhh

You guys talking bout the low bail for this dude... that aint nuthin new man, here in florida , dudes get PROBATION for doing that to little kids, while they send all the dopeboys away for 10+, the system is flawed

 

[AZwildcats]

Just read the Grand Jury Report in its entirety twice. I have never read something that made me more uncomfortable. This guy Sandusky is something else man. I really hope he doesnt commit suicide and faces the prosecution. This is the worst scandal in the history of sports and maybe in recent times in this country.

My opinion in this story has completely changed. It doesnt matter that Joe was fired over the phone, that is a trivial and frankly insignificant detail in all of this. He had to be fired. Not only did he himself admit he should have done more, I find it very hard to believe that he was oblivious to the situation. He knew enough to get himself fired. If Paterno is guilty of not doing enough, than Curley, Schultz and especially McQueary are are certainly guilty of not doing enough. Hell, they had a huge role in covering it up. They should and I believe will face criminal charges.

Also, I understand that Paterno had a role in this, but I would like the media to focus more on Sandusky than Paterno.

 

[acidicality]

Also, I understand that Paterno had a role in this, but I would like the media to focus more on Sandusky than Paterno.


co-sign. The media attention has shifted away from the #1 true criminal in all of this.

This is a horrible thing, but sadly, I also think some people (including the media) are almost hoping it's worse so it makes for a more enticing story. I hope it's not as widespread as it's reported to be, and it's not as bad as it can be, but we'll have to let it all play out before making any judgments on people (especially JoePa). What we can say from this though, is that Sandusky is a disgusting pervert who should get the chair immediately.

 

[hankmoody]

Never mind.
I really hope nothing bad happens on Saturday.

 

[651akathepaul]

I just wonder what I'm going to wake up to. Being on the West Coast, I was blurriy eyed and trying to gain my senses when I first read up on the new developments. Couldn't believe...Just crazy.

 

[millzhouse719]

Good looks on the link. Just read it and so many people could of ended this earlier but did not. Something bigger has to be related to this besides a man obsession with kids. No words can describe Sandusky

, really had an advantage to help kids and just took advantage of the situation. My condolence really goes to the victims.  

 

[illoquent aka dsk]

Originally Posted by acidicality

Also, I understand that Paterno had a role in this, but I would like the media to focus more on Sandusky than Paterno.

co-sign. The media attention has shifted away from the #1 true criminal in all of this.

This is a horrible thing, but sadly, I also think some people (including the media) are almost hoping it's worse so it makes for a more enticing story. I hope it's not as widespread as it's reported to be, and it's not as bad as it can be, but we'll have to let it all play out before making any judgments on people (especially JoePa). What we can say from this though, is that Sandusky is a disgusting pervert who should get the chair immediately.

This is bothering me and I've gotten the same vibe as well. I agree with your whole post. The sensationalist aspect is just

.

Everything about this %#!* just sickens me.

 

[ag 47]

Not sure if this was posted, but here's a comprehensive timeline of Sandusky's Penn State life in chronological order

A chronological look at the case against former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, based on a grand jury report in Pennsylvania state court. Some key dates in Penn State football history are included. Sandusky has been charged with 40 criminal counts, accusing him of serial sex abuse of minors:

1969
Jerry Sandusky starts his coaching career at Penn State University as a defensive line coach.

1977
Jerry Sandusky founds The Second Mile. It begins as a group foster home dedicated to helping troubled boys and grows to become a charity dedicated to helping children with absent or dysfunctional families.

January 1983
Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1982 season.

January 1987
Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1986 season.

1994
Boy known as Victim 7 in the report meets Sandusky through The Second Mile program at about the age of 10.

1994-95
Boy known as Victim 6 meets Sandusky at a Second Mile picnic at Spring Creek Park when he is 7 or 8 years old.

1995-96
Boy known as Victim 5, meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is 7 or 8, in second or third grade.

1996-97
Boy known as Victim 4, at the age of 12 or 13, meets Sandusky while he is in his second year participating in The Second Mile program.

1996-98
Victim 5 is taken to the locker rooms and showers at Penn State by Sandusky when he is 8 to 10 years old.

Jan. 1, 1998
Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1998 Outback Bowl.

1998
Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.

Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead."

Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.

June 1999
Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.

Dec. 28, 1999
Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.

Summer 2000
Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.

Fall 2000
A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.

Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8's identity is unknown.

March 1, 2002
A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.

March 2, 2002
In the morning, the graduate assistant calls coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno's home, where he reports what he has seen.

March 3, 2002
Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State athletic director to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.

March 2002
Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and senior vice president for finance and business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.

March 27, 2002 (approximate)
The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky's locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in grand jury in December 2010.

2005-2006
Boy known as Victim 1 says that he meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.

Spring 2007
During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa.

Spring 2008
Termination of contact with Victim 1 occurs when he is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy's mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law.

Early 2009
An investigation by the Pennsylvania attorney general begins when a Clinton County, Pa., teen boy tells authorities that Sandusky has inappropriately touched him several times over a four-year period.

September 2010
Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters.

March 2011
Harrisburg (Pa.) Patriot-News reports that grand jury is investigating Sandusky on allegations of indecent assault against a teenage boy. The Patriot-News reports that five people with knowledge of the case said the grand jury has been meeting for 18 months and has called witnesses, including Paterno and Curley. Penn State declines comment.

Nov. 5, 2011
Sandusky is arrested and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts.

Nov. 7, 2011
Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly says Paterno is not a target of the investigation into how the school handled the accusations. But she refuses to say the same for university president Graham Spanier. Curley and Schultz, who have stepped down from their positions, surrender on charges that they failed to alert police to complaints against Sandusky.

Nov. 8, 2011
Possible ninth victim of Sandusky contacts state police as calls for ouster of Paterno and Spanier grow in state and beyond. Penn State abruptly cancels Paterno's regular weekly news conference.

Nov. 9, 2011
Paterno announces in the morning he'll retire at the end of the season, but the university's board of trustees rules later that Paterno and Spanier are out effective immediately. Defensive coordinator Tom Bradley is named interim coach and provost Rodney Erickson is named interim university president.

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

Damn

 

[airmaxpenny1]

There is no other proper response than for Penn State to cancel the football season but of course this is the same school that put football ahead of the welfare of little children so there is not point this is happening.

And of course all you have is other coaches talking about how great Paterno's legacy is and $++*...College Football is +@$+%!+ disgusting.

 

[gunna get it]

http://mobile.nytimes.com...ldnt-discuss-inquiry.xml

The Only reason the indictments became public was a computer glitch. LOL Looks like they were trying to let JoePa finish out the season.

The only good thing here is the former AG and Now Governor actually decided to ramp up the investigation in 2009 and then Forced his way into that BOT meeting.

 

[noskey]

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

Anddddd here's where the town cover up starts unfolding. Police told 1998 boys mom not to speak out

mobile.pennlive.com/advpenn/pm_29239/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=Srfo8HY0

 

[grusumm18]

/from the bay
//how did occOakland get thrown into this?
///it might get drastically diff there as someone was just murdered there about 10 hours ago, although the vic was not dirrectly involved with the movement. oak has a ton of homicides, this just happened to be literally within 100 feet of the campers

////was a chemE major, finished with a polSci degree, now a RN...weird i know...where u get ur degree from matters a little for networking and such, but if you can't apply what you know, u aint !*!#...

can we stick to the matter at hand and not have tangents (ie silly) so this doesnt get locked?
psu is a great institution
what happened there does not reflect on the entire university. how is that so hard to grasp?

 

[noblekane]

Originally Posted by af1 1982

So this is how they fired Paterno:
-They got a courier to deliver a letter to his house
-The letter had a number to call
-He called and was told he was relieved of his duties

The University keeps making themselves look stupid. There would be no Penn State administration without him. They wouldn't have that job without him. And you fire him over the phone? I'm sorry but if you're going to fire him, you tell him to his face. You look him in his eye and you tell him why he's done. He's earned that right. Disgrace.

man i am sick of you sticking up for this dude. he aint your daddy. You or any of the other students at penn state owe him absolutely NOTHING. I went to a prestigious University and ill be damn if i give two *%!** about the damn football coach. I don't care how much he donated for a %+##!$% library. 

Hes not paying your tuition. Your parents are.  Don't treat this dude like a rock star. 

 

[noblekane]

Originally Posted by HankMoody

http://www.chicagotribune...0111110,0,1822324.column

Headline...

got damn! homie went off on penn state 

 

[newbs24]

Originally Posted by NobleKane

Originally Posted by HankMoody

http://www.chicagotribune...0111110,0,1822324.column

Headline...

got damn! homie went off on penn state 

  

 

[noblekane]

Originally Posted by AG 47

My initial reaction that Paterno has more of a part in this cover up than we know at this time. Could get even more interesting.....

Absolutely. I firmly believe we've just scratched the surface. Joe Pa is not the man who most believe he is. He got that lawyer for a reason. No doubt in my mind.
damn can u imagine if sandusky comes clean and joe paterno is listed as one of buyers?