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<Exactly dude had the chance to be the hero but really had no spine and now it's paterno who is getting all the blame for not being the hero
The Penn State Child-Sex Abuse Scandal Thread...Hammer dropped on PSU...sanctions galore.
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<Exactly dude had the chance to be the hero but really had no spine and now it's paterno who is getting all the blame for not being the hero
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Exactly. If Joe Pa tells one person outside of PSU, people start listening. This ends a LONG time ago and children are saved.
Some of you are pathetic. God forbid the unfortunate soul who I find out is molesting children...
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McQueary did tell jo pa what he saw. in that case im blaming jo pa for not using his powers of being god and getting sandusky arrested at the very least. in what world do you see a ten year old boy getting molested by a grown man and all u do is tell someone about it? he was at fault but at what point do u say eff my job and morals take over in that instance. if McQueary would have made a stand that day im sure he woulda been fired but penn state would have been exposed ages ago and more kids would have been saved from sandusky.
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Yup....both are to blame...and like I said, I don't know how you can put one ahead of the other. Joe Paterno's reach is LONG. One call....all it took was one call.
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I dont think many people are looking at it from this point of view, especially those outside of the football world and the state college area. Well done.
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Thank god few people have that pov. How u guys can sympathize with someone who tucked their tail in between their legs when the victim needed him most is beyond me. Imagine your being raped someone sees it and just runs away.
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Precisely
This whole situation is just
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I brought up essentially the same case last night to a group of friends while playing cards. They looked at me kinda funny at first but then came around a little bit. I mean, if I put myself in the Grad. Asst. shoes, I almost wonder if he was in major disbelief,shock, whatever you want to call it, and almost froze. As much as I would like to think I would instantly approach, stop, and beat the crap out of someone who was doing that to someone else, part of me wonders if I could. Its unfortunate he didn't expose him on his own and take that chance, but at that point, he probably was in major denial, hoping he had a bad dream or something.
What seems to be pretty clear, is that along with McQueary's sighting, there were plenty of other red flags or warning signs that no one from the entire coaching staff or administrative sector followed up or acted upon. They should all be blamed and held accountable. This Sandusky fella was obviously revered, respected, and put on a pedestal of sorts to the extent he was given carte blanche around and on campus and no one dared question W t F he was up to. Pathetic, ridiculous, and beyond sad for all those affected. Bottom line, many folks jobs, careers, and futures should be affected because none of that will match what these kids have to carry for the rest of their lives. And to think that for the most part, a majority of it could have been entirely avoided. Really sad commentary on the power and deception that occurs within sports and organized athletics.
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It's like the telephone game you used to play as a kid:
McQueary: anal rape.
Paterno: something of a sexual nature.
Schultz: inappropriately grabbing of the young boy’s genitals.
Curley: inappropriate conduct or horsing around.
Spanier: conduct that made someone uncomfortable.
Raykovitz: a ban on bringing kids to the locker room.
McQueary: anal rape.
Paterno: something of a sexual nature.
Schultz: inappropriately grabbing of the young boy’s genitals.
Curley: inappropriate conduct or horsing around.
Spanier: conduct that made someone uncomfortable.
Raykovitz: a ban on bringing kids to the locker room.
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Calhoun and Witherite.....I haven't heard either of these 2 guys mentioned prior to reading this....They said Calhoun was a "temporary" employee, whatever that means, but why isn't he being mentioned more? and Witherite?
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lol yall act like people didnt witness old dude getting slurped up my huckleberry finn, according to the timeline MANY people reached out and spoke out to police and everything. Who knows if Joe Pa told anyone he hasnt said anything. Joe Pa was in the wrong heavily but what did you really expect from Joe Pa? Dude mentally fell of a LONG time ago. This scandal is probably bigger than Joe Pa anyways especially if the pimping thing is true.Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
Yup....both are to blame...and like I said, I don't know how you can put one ahead of the other. Joe Paterno's reach is LONG. One call....all it took was one call.
If the people who are involved with this kept this under wraps for so long imagine how much push they have/had in that community.
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Stuart Mandel story here.
In 2000, the late Myles Brand made the controversial decision to oust revered Indiana basketball coach Bob Knight. Brand, then Indiana University's president, drew the scorn of students and alumni but the admiration of his peers, who named him NCAA president two years later.
If college athletics held its proper place in the greater landscape of higher education, there would have been no reason to congratulate or criticize Brand. In other walks of life, it's not considered courageous when the head of a business dismisses one of his subordinates for inappropriate behavior. The Brand-Knight incident was only jarring because for the previous 30 years, the power dynamic between Indiana's president and basketball coach had been reversed.
Nothing about college coaches' skewed importance has changed since then. If anything, it's gotten worse. Head football and basketball coaches now make as much as five times more than they did just a decade ago, and the media coverage surrounding them has amplified accordingly.
But if there were ever a time for fans, media members and college administrators alike to get a collective wake-up call, it's following Joe Paterno's dismissal. No football coach has ever lorded over an entire university the way Paterno did during his 45 years in State College. And no university has suffered a more gruesome football-related episode than the ongoing Jerry Sandusky child molestation scandal.
The mess at Penn State has illustrated the danger of putting successful coaches on pedestals. Four wins or 400, coaches are still people, and people aren't perfect. That's why our government employs a system of checks and balances, and why businesses nationwide mimic that distribution of power.
At Penn State, Paterno had all the power. President Graham Spanier and athletic director Tim Curley were technically his bosses, but they held as much sway over him as the guys selling hot dogs at Beaver Stadium on Saturdays. We know this most vividly because in 2004, Spanier and Curley tried to push out the struggling 77-year-old coach, and Paterno told them ... no.
That distorted dynamic is why Sandusky was allowed free rein of the Penn State football complex years after the first account of sexual molestation surfaced. Who was going to stop him if not Paterno?
Many think Mike McQueary should have. According to his grand jury testimony, McQueary, then a 28-year-old graduate assistant, witnessed Sandusky raping a boy estimated to be 10 years old in the locker room showers. How, people ask, could a grown man like McQueary fail to step in and stop this atrocity when he saw it? Why did he not call the authorities?
In McQueary's world, Paterno was The Authority. McQueary, a State College native, former Penn State quarterback and son of a huge Nittany Lions fan, has spent nearly his entire life in a warped world few of us understand. What some view as cowardice probably seemed courageous to McQueary at the time: He went to The Authority's house and relayed bad things about the coach's long-time trusted confidant. He didn't know The Authority would merely pass the information along to his two in-name-only superiors, who then failed to take substantive action.
What's far more puzzling is how McQueary went to work for the next nine years and accepted seeing Sandusky at practice or in the weight room. But the Penn State football complex wasn't a normal workplace; the lone Authority was out to lunch in his last years on the job, but he held such clout that few dared to question his actions. That's not an excuse for McQueary's decisions, but it's reality -- a sick reality in which inaction was the norm.
Paterno and his so-called bosses deserve all the blame we can muster for allowing this atrocity to occur, but the rest of us deserve blame for lionizing coaches like Paterno in the first place. We turn these mortal men into irreproachable icons. We do it with articles portraying them as something more mystical than people who happen to be good at their jobs. We do it by camping out for tickets in tent villages named in their honor. We do it by building statues of them while they're still on the job.
Few actually rise to the realm of idolatry, but any major college football or basketball coach who has sustained success enjoys unprecedented power. The truly revered have presidents and athletic directors who theoretically sit above them but in reality work for them. They enjoy blindly adoring fan bases that would raise arms at the mere suggestion of wrongdoing.
Sports are our escape, so it's not surprising that we treat our favorite figures like movie stars. But as we were reminded so painfully this week, this is real life. And unlike professional coaches, who work for businesses tasked solely with winning athletic contests, college coaches are theoretically part of a greater community, where education is supposed to trump entertainment and leadership is supposed to be more than a Big Ten Network infomercial.
There's nothing wrong with going to a game, painting your face or cheering on your favorite team's coach for hours. There's nothing wrong with me writing an article praising a coach for his inspired gameplan. There's nothing wrong with a school president giving a championship coach a raise.
But there's something inherently wrong with a community in which one person holds an inordinate amount of power. Teachers answer to their principal. CEOs answer to their shareholders. Mike McQueary answered to Joe Paterno.
Paterno didn't answer to anybody. No coach has ever experienced a more painful downfall, in part because no coach had ever been elevated to such heights.
Hopefully, no coach ever will be again.
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CNN.com story here.
(CNN)
-- How does a survivor of sexual abuse respond to students rioting at Penn State?
"You're not getting it. You just don't get it," said Dave Lorenz who was abused by a priest as a teen.
"It's just stupid youthfulness."
Earlier this week, legendary head football coach Joe Paterno was removed in the midst of a scandal involving sexual abuse allegations against a former defensive coordinator, Jerry Sandusky.
What started as an apparent celebration of Paterno turned into a riot in the Pennsylvania town of State College. The crowd tipped over a news van and decried the media in anger Wednesday night. They held signs in support of "JoePa" -- a nickname for Paterno.
Some said their frustration stemmed from the media's focus on Paterno, rather than the charges against Sandusky.
Watching footage of Penn State students rioting in the streets Wednesday night, Lorenzo shuddered, then hung his head.
What bothered Lorenz is that students "rallied around (Paterno's) house, cheering him up."
"The kids up there just don't understand what this does," he said.
"Stop thinking of the adult and start thinking of what happens to a child that goes through this. You love the adult, you may not know the kid. Start thinking of the kid and the horror they go through, because it's hell."
Paterno has been under scrutiny because of his response to allegations brought to him in 2002 by a graduate assistant. The assistant allegedly said he witnessed Sandusky, now 67, having sex with a young boy in a shower at the campus football complex, according to a grand jury indictment.
Paterno reported the allegations to his boss and Pennsylvania's attorney general said it appeared Paterno had met his obligations under state law. But critics said the coach should have reported the suspected abuse to police.
Sandusky is accused of sexual offenses, child endangerment and "corruption of a minor" involving eight boys.
Many within the Penn State community condemned the crowd's actions. In the campus newspaper The Daily Collegian, an editorial read: "Wednesday night was an embarrassment for Penn State... The way students reacted set our university two steps back."
Earlier this week, as questions about the coach's action mounted, students began swarming Paterno's home. The gatherings had the tone of a pep rally.
Kayla Garriott, a 22-year-old college student who was sexually abused as a child, said the open support for Paterno was disrespectful to survivors.
"That's the first thing people look at -- that their football team is without their head coach that's been there so many years. Nobody looks at the eight children."
The rioters are "never going to be in those children's shoes. It's not about football. It's about eight children who are never going to get back their lives back. They're going to live with this the rest of their lives. They might not get over that."
This kind of spectacle could even make abused kids more reluctant to go to the police, she said.
The Penn State scandal prompted numerous calls from sexual abuse survivors, said Barbara Dorris, the outreach director at Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests.
"I have talked to people all over the country who have dealt with their abuse," she said. "This is bringing it all back. It's so upsetting. They were crying. They were angry."
The reaction of the crowd could send an unintended message to children and teenagers who've been abused: They may feel blamed for what happened to the football team and the rioting, said Dorris, who was also abused as a child.
It's a "horrible statement that a winning football team is more important than the safety of the children. It mirrors what happened in the (Catholic) church."
Jerry Needel, a Penn State alum who graduated in 1999, watched the news unfold and felt he had to do something.
"This just shook my beliefs and a big part of my identity to the core," he said.
He started a campaign to shift the attention to supporting victims of child abuse, by raising money for RAINN, which stands for Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network.
In addition, some Penn State students are planning to dress in blue for their next football game to support the victims of child abuse worldwide.
Jennifer Marsh, the director of the National Sexual Assault Hotline said the news story is bringing awareness and facilitating a national discussion about abuse, a topic often cloaked in secrecy.
"The biggest takeaway we've seen is just the outpouring of support to victims and survivors."
National Sexual Assault Hotline 1-800-656-4673
(CNN)
-- How does a survivor of sexual abuse respond to students rioting at Penn State?
"You're not getting it. You just don't get it," said Dave Lorenz who was abused by a priest as a teen.
"It's just stupid youthfulness."
Earlier this week, legendary head football coach Joe Paterno was removed in the midst of a scandal involving sexual abuse allegations against a former defensive coordinator, Jerry Sandusky.
What started as an apparent celebration of Paterno turned into a riot in the Pennsylvania town of State College. The crowd tipped over a news van and decried the media in anger Wednesday night. They held signs in support of "JoePa" -- a nickname for Paterno.
Some said their frustration stemmed from the media's focus on Paterno, rather than the charges against Sandusky.
Watching footage of Penn State students rioting in the streets Wednesday night, Lorenzo shuddered, then hung his head.
What bothered Lorenz is that students "rallied around (Paterno's) house, cheering him up."
"The kids up there just don't understand what this does," he said.
"Stop thinking of the adult and start thinking of what happens to a child that goes through this. You love the adult, you may not know the kid. Start thinking of the kid and the horror they go through, because it's hell."
Paterno has been under scrutiny because of his response to allegations brought to him in 2002 by a graduate assistant. The assistant allegedly said he witnessed Sandusky, now 67, having sex with a young boy in a shower at the campus football complex, according to a grand jury indictment.
Paterno reported the allegations to his boss and Pennsylvania's attorney general said it appeared Paterno had met his obligations under state law. But critics said the coach should have reported the suspected abuse to police.
Sandusky is accused of sexual offenses, child endangerment and "corruption of a minor" involving eight boys.
Many within the Penn State community condemned the crowd's actions. In the campus newspaper The Daily Collegian, an editorial read: "Wednesday night was an embarrassment for Penn State... The way students reacted set our university two steps back."
Earlier this week, as questions about the coach's action mounted, students began swarming Paterno's home. The gatherings had the tone of a pep rally.
Kayla Garriott, a 22-year-old college student who was sexually abused as a child, said the open support for Paterno was disrespectful to survivors.
"That's the first thing people look at -- that their football team is without their head coach that's been there so many years. Nobody looks at the eight children."
The rioters are "never going to be in those children's shoes. It's not about football. It's about eight children who are never going to get back their lives back. They're going to live with this the rest of their lives. They might not get over that."
This kind of spectacle could even make abused kids more reluctant to go to the police, she said.
The Penn State scandal prompted numerous calls from sexual abuse survivors, said Barbara Dorris, the outreach director at Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests.
"I have talked to people all over the country who have dealt with their abuse," she said. "This is bringing it all back. It's so upsetting. They were crying. They were angry."
The reaction of the crowd could send an unintended message to children and teenagers who've been abused: They may feel blamed for what happened to the football team and the rioting, said Dorris, who was also abused as a child.
It's a "horrible statement that a winning football team is more important than the safety of the children. It mirrors what happened in the (Catholic) church."
Jerry Needel, a Penn State alum who graduated in 1999, watched the news unfold and felt he had to do something.
"This just shook my beliefs and a big part of my identity to the core," he said.
He started a campaign to shift the attention to supporting victims of child abuse, by raising money for RAINN, which stands for Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network.
In addition, some Penn State students are planning to dress in blue for their next football game to support the victims of child abuse worldwide.
Jennifer Marsh, the director of the National Sexual Assault Hotline said the news story is bringing awareness and facilitating a national discussion about abuse, a topic often cloaked in secrecy.
"The biggest takeaway we've seen is just the outpouring of support to victims and survivors."
National Sexual Assault Hotline 1-800-656-4673
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NO one is sympathesizing with him. Theres more than one point of view to think about, thats all.
You have to view this from McQuearys point of view as well. Its easy to sit there and view this all from the victims point of view, but you should also think about this situation McQuary was in as well. I absolutely believe that what McQueary did was wrong; however, I dont think his decision was so easy as some people make it out to be. Sandusky was his idol. He was a father figure. He was a role model.
I can understand why he didnt go in there and beat the *@!% out of Sandusky immediately, but with that being said to not do something about it in the following years is where the cowardness appears.
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In the irony of all ironies Joe Posnanski of Sports Illustrated has been living in Happy Valley this year to finish writing a biography about Paterno.
His words:
His words:
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I read your responses even after this statement but I just can't agree with your point of view on this statement DoubleJ's. One person saw/witnessed the crime while it was being committed, the other person didn't and only got wind of the story as it was told to him. Joe Pa could have and should have done more, but McQueary is the dude that truly could have stopped things from getting worse for future victims and the victim at hand in 2002.
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Posnanski has lost his objectivity here, clearly.
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I don't know about anyone else but the part that bothers me the most is just how brazen Sandusky was with his actions. He had to have known that the locker room of a major college has people coming in and out all of the time and as a result, someone would've caught him in the shower. It's almost as if he knew he had so much power and so many friends and high places that he was untouchable.
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Agreed 100 % and this takes us back to, regardless of what people in high places believed, knew, or perceived to be true, they had an obligation if nothing else to their university and those under their watch, to keep this pathetic excuse for a human being AWAY from the University. Take a stand for what you believe in and know to be true and make sure he doesn't conduct his perversions right there for everyone to potentially witness. It would appear no one either had the courage or the common sense to get this guy as far away from the program/school/students/kids as possible. Obviously there is a special place reserved down below for peeps like this. I truly hope God has mercy on him because he ain't gonna get too much sympathy around here.
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F that. Serisously. I'm tired of all these apologist making excusses for all the good that rotten old bastard did. I understand what he's done for not only that school but really the State of Pennsylvania but all of that was erased with his inaction that led to 9 or more children getting sexually assualted. Assaults he characterized in his grand jury as "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature". He also allowed that other monster continued access to the school and satelitte locations to run his charity with full psu support. He knew that monster was going to continue to have access to children & did nothing about it. Pasnanski is a total moron & idiot. If I ever see him in person, I'm gonna personally smack the %@% out of him for even writting such an idiotic peice. I'm absolutely astounded to my core at the people standing by this man. I just can't believe at the sheer & utter stupidity of human beings. There is no hope, absolutely no hope for human kind.
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Like that article posted above says, idol worship is such a big problem in sports. You can't put these people on a pedestal just because they do well in the sports environment.
I think Jon Ritchie is a very intelligent guy but what he said on espn2 sounded ridiculous and I couldn't believe it. He said if he saw Sandusky do what he did in the locker room he would've acted the same way and probably just ran away from it. He said he understands how people would be in shock of what they saw was happening and not react properly. Are you kidding? You see a young boy getting raped by a man and you would hesitate to act? I'm sure the victims appreciated everyone turning a blind eye and pretending they didn't hear or see things.
I think Jon Ritchie is a very intelligent guy but what he said on espn2 sounded ridiculous and I couldn't believe it. He said if he saw Sandusky do what he did in the locker room he would've acted the same way and probably just ran away from it. He said he understands how people would be in shock of what they saw was happening and not react properly. Are you kidding? You see a young boy getting raped by a man and you would hesitate to act? I'm sure the victims appreciated everyone turning a blind eye and pretending they didn't hear or see things.
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This.
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I don't care if Sandusky hired mcquery himself. There are some things that are so wrong that as a man ur instinct should be to immediately take action. Especially someone who is 6'5 with a football background.
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I bet McQueary was a victim on some level. He grew up in State College and had ties to even some of the players at PSU when he was that young. Pure speculation on my part, but I'm ready to hear his story.