This is why the bible and other religious texts had to be written by scorned MALES

[dame theory]

retrospect90 wrote:

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Can you give me an example of contradictory statements or hypocrites and what bible you have read? I just want to know where you're coming from.

Proof of It being scientifically sound: Isaiah 40:22 "There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gauze, who spreads them out like a tent in which to dwell"
It was not until over 200 years after this Bible text had been written that a school of Greek philosophers reasoned that the earth likely was spherical, and in about another 300 years a Greek astronomer (Eratosthenes i believe his name was) calculated the approximate radius of the earth. But the idea of a spherical earth was not the general view even then.

The fact that the books of the Bible were recorded by some 40 men as diverse as king, prophet, herdsman, tax collector, and physician. They did the writing over a period of 1,610 years; so there was no opportunity for collusion. Yet their writings agree.



Here are a few contradictions for you:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

http://www.ffrf.org/legacy/books/lfif/?t=contra

Plently there for your nightly reading. 

You talking about the world being round doesn't equate to the use of ridding people of their blood as a modern technique to cure for disease. I thought the "earth was round" was too simple of an argument for you


maybe all their writings are all cohesive because they were all doctored! Maybe the translation you're reading isn't accurate. Does no one accept the notion that MAYBE when king james inferred much of what we accept as the bible that maybe they picked and choosed what to include in the book? Very selective. 1600 years after the writing started, it was finished...and yet even the most recent submissions are still the word of god and biblical worthy? You serious fam? 

 

[hazeleyed honey]

Originally Posted by Dame Theory

Two questions and One statement
Why are you agnostic and not an atheist? In public I just say i'm agnostic to move around socially a little better

Are you really and truly still open to the idea of god still existing

I agree with everything you said though. 

I think its interesting how these prophecies come in the most remote illiterate parts of the world. 

Yes, I am open to the idea of a Creator. I don't know what it is. It can be energy, a force, it could be a Being who is One "God", or Beings who are many "Gods". To me, it represents whatever created this universe.

I believe I am Agnostic because I do not know if there is a Creator or not. I am not fully convinced yet that there is no Creator, so I toy with believing that something out there whether an entity, body, or just a force, or energy maybe did create this universe. But, I am also not saying that for sure there is a Creator.

  

 

[hazeleyed honey]

Originally Posted by Dame Theory

Two questions and One statement
Why are you agnostic and not an atheist? In public I just say i'm agnostic to move around socially a little better

Are you really and truly still open to the idea of god still existing

I agree with everything you said though. 

I think its interesting how these prophecies come in the most remote illiterate parts of the world. 

Yes, I am open to the idea of a Creator. I don't know what it is. It can be energy, a force, it could be a Being who is One "God", or Beings who are many "Gods". To me, it represents whatever created this universe.

I believe I am Agnostic because I do not know if there is a Creator or not. I am not fully convinced yet that there is no Creator, so I toy with believing that something out there whether an entity, body, or just a force, or energy maybe did create this universe. But, I am also not saying that for sure there is a Creator.

  

 

[retrospect90]

Hazeleyed Honey wrote:?

The Bible also has so many contradictions and so many absurdities (ie. animals can change patterns by just looking at other patterns). I really hope the text is not taken literally as to have fulfilled "prophecies" and brought forth "scientific discoveries". 

What bible have you read? I just want to know where you're coming from?

That was more of a scientific idea, but the bible isn't a science book. But I can try and look it up more for you as far as prophecies go here are a few.

Prophecy: Jer. 49:17, 18: “‘Edom must become an object of astonishment. Everyone passing along by her will stare in astonishment and whistle on account of all her plagues. Just as in the overthrow of Sodom and Gomorrah and her neighbor towns,’ Jehovah has said, ‘no man will dwell there.’

 

[retrospect90]

Hazeleyed Honey wrote:?

The Bible also has so many contradictions and so many absurdities (ie. animals can change patterns by just looking at other patterns). I really hope the text is not taken literally as to have fulfilled "prophecies" and brought forth "scientific discoveries". 

What bible have you read? I just want to know where you're coming from?

That was more of a scientific idea, but the bible isn't a science book. But I can try and look it up more for you as far as prophecies go here are a few.

Prophecy: Jer. 49:17, 18: “‘Edom must become an object of astonishment. Everyone passing along by her will stare in astonishment and whistle on account of all her plagues. Just as in the overthrow of Sodom and Gomorrah and her neighbor towns,’ Jehovah has said, ‘no man will dwell there.’

 

[retrospect90]

Heres some of the contradictions on your websites that you gave me.....

• I Peter 2:13 "Submit yourself to every ordinance of man . . . to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors."
• Matthew 22:21 "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's." See also Romans 13:1,7 and Titus 3:1.
  vs.
• Acts 5:29 "We ought to obey God rather then men."

Christians are commanded to “be in subjection to the superior authorities,

 

[retrospect90]

Heres some of the contradictions on your websites that you gave me.....

• I Peter 2:13 "Submit yourself to every ordinance of man . . . to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors."
• Matthew 22:21 "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's." See also Romans 13:1,7 and Titus 3:1.
  vs.
• Acts 5:29 "We ought to obey God rather then men."

Christians are commanded to “be in subjection to the superior authorities,

 

[onhollowedground821]

Originally Posted by Dame Theory

Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821

I can't address your love for your friend... I don't know him but it seems that you really think he's there. I wonder where you're from. How you grew up. Did you all have money? How are your grades? I wish I knew more about your background on this note. Also...what has he done for you? I want just a few specific examples that GOD did for you that you could not and did not do yourself. 
Look up Lawrence Krauss' "A universe from nothing." There are several theories that indicate that the universe MIGHT have come from nothing. It happens all the time. Just educate yourself on abiogenesis. Other theories. I don't have time to list all of these right now but there ARE competitive theories out there. Furthermore, why do you think God did it? I don't know how the universe started. However, I don't SAY that I know. How do you KNOW that God did it? ...and "because he said so" doesn't work. I think using God to assert what you DONT know for certain is just as dishonest. You're better off looking into other theories that tend to have more explanation behind them. Lets say God did do it...HOW did he do it? Is that not something you should be able to answer???
Ok you know what? No, I don't know what prayer is verbatim in the Bible. Educate me. 




Why did you not address this point I had?

"Welll what a pointless God. Why pray for help at all then if you have to account for the fact that he might not be there for you? Sounds like a gamble. What if you're on that losing end?"

Sin? Its something bad...or what God says is bad. What is sin according to the bible? Educate me. 

"I don't know him but it seems that you REALLY think he's there"............He really is there Friend, just because you have not experienced it does not mean I have Not
I don't know how it matters if I had Money or how I was Raised, but I grew up on the poor side, wondering if id have lights or water running the next day, eating corn flakes for dinner, but then Ive had times when I have lived well according to the Worlds standards of good, but you could take everything from me and id still praise him, that leads into in what I could not have done by myself, I got very sick a while back to the point of Death and I didnt see anyway out of it, but he took me by the hand and saved my life..........he also gave me freedom from addiction at a time in my life when it would have been easy to turn back to that "demon" that held onto me, But more then anything it's the Love he shows me by waking me up everyday and giving me life, I cant even explain the feeling I have when I think of The Love I have for him and he has for Me




"There are several theories that indicate that the universe MIGHT have come from nothing"..........See that's the problem is you say MIGHT, my belief does not say HE MIGHT have created the Universe, it says he DID, now you can believe that or not but atleast it tells you flat out, unlike Science where it could be MANY things

Prayer according to the Bible is used in a few ways, one for Praise, 2 for a "transmission" back home (the bible clearly says we are not home here) to communicate to The Lord on what he wants you to do in your life and what His Will is, just read and see what Jesus said everytime he prayed "your will" he never asked the Father to do something that was not in his Will.

The problem is people think prayer is a request line, it's not that you cant ask the Father for things but if it's outside of his will for your life he's not going to answer it how "We want" trust when I say he answers every prayer just not how we want him to..........Ive Prayed for things and then realized his answer to that prayer was so much better then what I was originally asking for that Im glad he didnt answer in the way I wanted him to but did it in HIS WAY

Sin is more then just something "BAD" what is bad? what you consider bad might not be bad to another person..........Sin according to the Bible is Transgression of Gods law and Will for our life, when we Sin we are set apart from him and everything he is trying to do in our life, do you think a lie hurts God? pshhhh you are only hurting yourself because a sinless God cant do his Will in our life when we are in Sin, it's why God turned away from Jesus while he was on the Cross because he could not look upon the Sin he bore for all mankind 

Sin cant send you to Hell, no man will ever live perfect even Paul wrote how he could not seem to do right at times, but what Sin does do is set us apart from God that we dont except the gift he's trying to give us...........Sin is like a trail of candy leading into the woods, we fallow it because it looks so good but once we look back we dont realize how far we have gone from home and sometimes dont know how to get back, now we are stuck and sometimes just stay there and never come back...........

I could go on more and more about what sin is according to the Bible and maybe I will but I dont want to make this an ongoing things, I told myself NT isnt the place for this because of how people really disrespect one another, that and the bible says to say what you need to say and keep it pushing.........I cant make you or any one believe and that's not what I am here for, if a person does not what the Peace I have in my life then honestly that's okay you are the only one missing out from what I have in my Life

The only thing i've gathered is how you've used religion to hone in on things that give youre life purpose... well thats just fine but just know that you don't NEED belief. Additionally, your belief and explanation of it are often contradictory. 



I wonder why you think everything is out of your hands. You are FAR more in control of your life than you realize. 




As a pre-medical student and someone who is very much into the study of medicine and biology and science etc...this statement is not only a slap in the face to those that spend their LIVES researching these methods to save your life but the marvelous system of homeostasis and immunity in your body that allows it to recover. Just because you can't explain it does NOT mean that God did it. Maybe you should look to explain things instead of shying away from providing a real justification for how things really happen. I don't see a scab on my arm and thank god for letting it heal. No, I read up on the process of beta cells and other immunity cloting agents that form lattices of protein over abrasions and form temporary covers over the skin to allow it to heal faster. Sounds like God is a much simpler answer so I guess its much easier to allow you skip learning about how things work. Rather, if god was around, why did he allow you to get THAT sick? You really think God saved you? He held your life on a string over a ledge and then pulled you up when you cried "uncle!" ? Does that make any sense to you? 




Bingo! your reason for believing in God. Everyone has one.  

. Once again, you deserve more credit than God for overcoming your addiction. Addiction is a psychological condition. Your menality and need to survive and motivation to succeed is what carried you though. You have a mind of metal that is resilient and I congratulate you on that mile-stone. HOWEVER, giving credit to god does not indicate any amount of the sacrifice that you endured nor does it address everything you contributed by way of resources and introspection to overcome the condition. You over came addiction. God wouldn't allow oyu to get addicted. God wouldn't make recovery a long process. God would actually prevent you from needing to recover. God, if he is so great, he wouldn't allow you to suffer like that. Maybe its that God isn't there and you fell prey to your addiction. You overcame your selfishness as a person and YOU deserve that credit, not someone who showed up late to the party and took all the credit. 




Lets say God did create the universe. Your answer does not say HOW he did it. Forget the why and the when ...HOW? First of all science is far better than faith. If science gets it wrong, the ideas change. You mean to tell me the billions of dollars spent annually by scientific endeavors globally to decipher to origins of the universe pale in comparison to a few lines of text in the bible? Are you KIDDING me? Science says it could be "many" things because there are equally plausible suggestions. Religion has ONE suggestion that doesn't offer any real explanation. God did it. Moving on...like what??? 




He answers prayers different from the ones you prayed for? like what? You didn't give an explanation of a prayer he answered for you. Plus, if hes not answering the ones you want then I guess either A.) +%%! just happens in life for a reason or B.) you're not praying for the right things C.) god doesn't know what you want...maybe cause hes not there? Additionally, How can you say I can't ask God for certain things outside of his will for my life...well if its HIS will how can he not exceed HIS will for MY life? It seems utterly useless then. God has limits on his own powers? Uh...but hes God?




God's law, sounds a lot like codified law that existed long before the origins of christianity. Additionally, if god can't help those who sin, why should they ask god to be forgiven? Also god turned his back on himself as he was being martyred for the sins of humanity that he created? What?

Don't look at this is as disrespect, however much of what you say is not only inaccurate but also unjustified. Why are you a christian and not something else?

It's funny how you skip over almost everything I say and make an assumption on WHAT happened to me, How do you know I didnt cause what happened to me and he saved me? Im not going to sit here and spill my guts over the internet for something you have no idea about, Nor do you really care sorry Bro, but I KNOW what GOD DID FOR ME.........I gave you an example and you want exactly what happened, sorry I dont know you like that to go further into it.
And Bingo what? because he gave me freedom from something that's why I believe??? who said that, I believed in him longgggggg before any of these things happened, this just gave me more of a reason that he loves me, has nothing to do with believing in Him, you are putting words in my mouth bro.......Im giving you an example of one of many reasons Ive seen his Love for me.........Id be here all day if I told you everything in why I believe in Him

It's called Faith "in a few lines of text" Sorry but he said he did it, therefore to me HE DID, if I didnt see his work in my own life and his Love for me and mine for Him IN A REAL WAY (even if you dont think so) then I could see your point........Again just because you havent driven a Lambo does not mean it's not fast, you cant tell me.......Ive been in the drivers seat AND ITS FAST

You dont get Prayer bro, simple as that.........God knows "the best" for us, even when we dont know it, its called his Will, I used to ask for "things" and then realized once I read the bible more that Jesus always prayed and asked for Gods WIll not his own "do it your way god not my way" get it? Prayer is fellowship/praise to God not a request line for things you want.

Put it like this, one year I asked for a bunch of video games for xmas, I didnt want anything else but that.........Come to find out I got an N64 something I never felt id get.......God has done this many times in my life when Ive said "let your will be done not mine" and what I felt like I wanted he opened up something better for me, get it?

Who said God cant help those who Sin? I said he cant stop us from Sin, huh? And furthermore if you want to know more about The Trinity just look it up........because Honestly I dont want to keep going back and forth, Im not trying to convince You here, real talk, youre asking questions and Im giving answers.......God tells us if the word isnt received then we are to shake the dust from our shoes and move on.........If you really want to know more youve got my inbox, if not it's just a grand stand to you for people to see and it will last forever

 

[onhollowedground821]

Originally Posted by Dame Theory

Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821

I can't address your love for your friend... I don't know him but it seems that you really think he's there. I wonder where you're from. How you grew up. Did you all have money? How are your grades? I wish I knew more about your background on this note. Also...what has he done for you? I want just a few specific examples that GOD did for you that you could not and did not do yourself. 
Look up Lawrence Krauss' "A universe from nothing." There are several theories that indicate that the universe MIGHT have come from nothing. It happens all the time. Just educate yourself on abiogenesis. Other theories. I don't have time to list all of these right now but there ARE competitive theories out there. Furthermore, why do you think God did it? I don't know how the universe started. However, I don't SAY that I know. How do you KNOW that God did it? ...and "because he said so" doesn't work. I think using God to assert what you DONT know for certain is just as dishonest. You're better off looking into other theories that tend to have more explanation behind them. Lets say God did do it...HOW did he do it? Is that not something you should be able to answer???
Ok you know what? No, I don't know what prayer is verbatim in the Bible. Educate me. 




Why did you not address this point I had?

"Welll what a pointless God. Why pray for help at all then if you have to account for the fact that he might not be there for you? Sounds like a gamble. What if you're on that losing end?"

Sin? Its something bad...or what God says is bad. What is sin according to the bible? Educate me. 

"I don't know him but it seems that you REALLY think he's there"............He really is there Friend, just because you have not experienced it does not mean I have Not
I don't know how it matters if I had Money or how I was Raised, but I grew up on the poor side, wondering if id have lights or water running the next day, eating corn flakes for dinner, but then Ive had times when I have lived well according to the Worlds standards of good, but you could take everything from me and id still praise him, that leads into in what I could not have done by myself, I got very sick a while back to the point of Death and I didnt see anyway out of it, but he took me by the hand and saved my life..........he also gave me freedom from addiction at a time in my life when it would have been easy to turn back to that "demon" that held onto me, But more then anything it's the Love he shows me by waking me up everyday and giving me life, I cant even explain the feeling I have when I think of The Love I have for him and he has for Me




"There are several theories that indicate that the universe MIGHT have come from nothing"..........See that's the problem is you say MIGHT, my belief does not say HE MIGHT have created the Universe, it says he DID, now you can believe that or not but atleast it tells you flat out, unlike Science where it could be MANY things

Prayer according to the Bible is used in a few ways, one for Praise, 2 for a "transmission" back home (the bible clearly says we are not home here) to communicate to The Lord on what he wants you to do in your life and what His Will is, just read and see what Jesus said everytime he prayed "your will" he never asked the Father to do something that was not in his Will.

The problem is people think prayer is a request line, it's not that you cant ask the Father for things but if it's outside of his will for your life he's not going to answer it how "We want" trust when I say he answers every prayer just not how we want him to..........Ive Prayed for things and then realized his answer to that prayer was so much better then what I was originally asking for that Im glad he didnt answer in the way I wanted him to but did it in HIS WAY

Sin is more then just something "BAD" what is bad? what you consider bad might not be bad to another person..........Sin according to the Bible is Transgression of Gods law and Will for our life, when we Sin we are set apart from him and everything he is trying to do in our life, do you think a lie hurts God? pshhhh you are only hurting yourself because a sinless God cant do his Will in our life when we are in Sin, it's why God turned away from Jesus while he was on the Cross because he could not look upon the Sin he bore for all mankind 

Sin cant send you to Hell, no man will ever live perfect even Paul wrote how he could not seem to do right at times, but what Sin does do is set us apart from God that we dont except the gift he's trying to give us...........Sin is like a trail of candy leading into the woods, we fallow it because it looks so good but once we look back we dont realize how far we have gone from home and sometimes dont know how to get back, now we are stuck and sometimes just stay there and never come back...........

I could go on more and more about what sin is according to the Bible and maybe I will but I dont want to make this an ongoing things, I told myself NT isnt the place for this because of how people really disrespect one another, that and the bible says to say what you need to say and keep it pushing.........I cant make you or any one believe and that's not what I am here for, if a person does not what the Peace I have in my life then honestly that's okay you are the only one missing out from what I have in my Life

The only thing i've gathered is how you've used religion to hone in on things that give youre life purpose... well thats just fine but just know that you don't NEED belief. Additionally, your belief and explanation of it are often contradictory. 



I wonder why you think everything is out of your hands. You are FAR more in control of your life than you realize. 




As a pre-medical student and someone who is very much into the study of medicine and biology and science etc...this statement is not only a slap in the face to those that spend their LIVES researching these methods to save your life but the marvelous system of homeostasis and immunity in your body that allows it to recover. Just because you can't explain it does NOT mean that God did it. Maybe you should look to explain things instead of shying away from providing a real justification for how things really happen. I don't see a scab on my arm and thank god for letting it heal. No, I read up on the process of beta cells and other immunity cloting agents that form lattices of protein over abrasions and form temporary covers over the skin to allow it to heal faster. Sounds like God is a much simpler answer so I guess its much easier to allow you skip learning about how things work. Rather, if god was around, why did he allow you to get THAT sick? You really think God saved you? He held your life on a string over a ledge and then pulled you up when you cried "uncle!" ? Does that make any sense to you? 




Bingo! your reason for believing in God. Everyone has one.  

. Once again, you deserve more credit than God for overcoming your addiction. Addiction is a psychological condition. Your menality and need to survive and motivation to succeed is what carried you though. You have a mind of metal that is resilient and I congratulate you on that mile-stone. HOWEVER, giving credit to god does not indicate any amount of the sacrifice that you endured nor does it address everything you contributed by way of resources and introspection to overcome the condition. You over came addiction. God wouldn't allow oyu to get addicted. God wouldn't make recovery a long process. God would actually prevent you from needing to recover. God, if he is so great, he wouldn't allow you to suffer like that. Maybe its that God isn't there and you fell prey to your addiction. You overcame your selfishness as a person and YOU deserve that credit, not someone who showed up late to the party and took all the credit. 




Lets say God did create the universe. Your answer does not say HOW he did it. Forget the why and the when ...HOW? First of all science is far better than faith. If science gets it wrong, the ideas change. You mean to tell me the billions of dollars spent annually by scientific endeavors globally to decipher to origins of the universe pale in comparison to a few lines of text in the bible? Are you KIDDING me? Science says it could be "many" things because there are equally plausible suggestions. Religion has ONE suggestion that doesn't offer any real explanation. God did it. Moving on...like what??? 




He answers prayers different from the ones you prayed for? like what? You didn't give an explanation of a prayer he answered for you. Plus, if hes not answering the ones you want then I guess either A.) +%%! just happens in life for a reason or B.) you're not praying for the right things C.) god doesn't know what you want...maybe cause hes not there? Additionally, How can you say I can't ask God for certain things outside of his will for my life...well if its HIS will how can he not exceed HIS will for MY life? It seems utterly useless then. God has limits on his own powers? Uh...but hes God?




God's law, sounds a lot like codified law that existed long before the origins of christianity. Additionally, if god can't help those who sin, why should they ask god to be forgiven? Also god turned his back on himself as he was being martyred for the sins of humanity that he created? What?

Don't look at this is as disrespect, however much of what you say is not only inaccurate but also unjustified. Why are you a christian and not something else?

It's funny how you skip over almost everything I say and make an assumption on WHAT happened to me, How do you know I didnt cause what happened to me and he saved me? Im not going to sit here and spill my guts over the internet for something you have no idea about, Nor do you really care sorry Bro, but I KNOW what GOD DID FOR ME.........I gave you an example and you want exactly what happened, sorry I dont know you like that to go further into it.
And Bingo what? because he gave me freedom from something that's why I believe??? who said that, I believed in him longgggggg before any of these things happened, this just gave me more of a reason that he loves me, has nothing to do with believing in Him, you are putting words in my mouth bro.......Im giving you an example of one of many reasons Ive seen his Love for me.........Id be here all day if I told you everything in why I believe in Him

It's called Faith "in a few lines of text" Sorry but he said he did it, therefore to me HE DID, if I didnt see his work in my own life and his Love for me and mine for Him IN A REAL WAY (even if you dont think so) then I could see your point........Again just because you havent driven a Lambo does not mean it's not fast, you cant tell me.......Ive been in the drivers seat AND ITS FAST

You dont get Prayer bro, simple as that.........God knows "the best" for us, even when we dont know it, its called his Will, I used to ask for "things" and then realized once I read the bible more that Jesus always prayed and asked for Gods WIll not his own "do it your way god not my way" get it? Prayer is fellowship/praise to God not a request line for things you want.

Put it like this, one year I asked for a bunch of video games for xmas, I didnt want anything else but that.........Come to find out I got an N64 something I never felt id get.......God has done this many times in my life when Ive said "let your will be done not mine" and what I felt like I wanted he opened up something better for me, get it?

Who said God cant help those who Sin? I said he cant stop us from Sin, huh? And furthermore if you want to know more about The Trinity just look it up........because Honestly I dont want to keep going back and forth, Im not trying to convince You here, real talk, youre asking questions and Im giving answers.......God tells us if the word isnt received then we are to shake the dust from our shoes and move on.........If you really want to know more youve got my inbox, if not it's just a grand stand to you for people to see and it will last forever

 

[its that dude]

Originally Posted by Its That Dude

Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821

Its That Dude wrote:
Isn't the reason you don't want to go to hell is because you want to spend your eternal afterlife with him? 

and If you're talking about Jesus sacrificing himself and dying for us...

Evolution is real. This means that there was no Adam and Eve.  This means that there is no Original Sin because it never happened.  No one is born a sinner.  This means Jesus didn't have to die for us.  Even if everyone was born a sinner, why can't God just fix that?  He has the ability to, but why does he keep on making flawed humans?

Let's say evolution isn't real.  (it is).  How much of a sacrifice was it if God already knew that he was going to die and resurrect in 3 days?  The only thing he sacrificed was his time.  All that blood and gore was for his own pleasure.  Surely he could have forgiven humans with a snap of his fingers.  He's God.  He can do anything.  But since God is outside of time, he didn't even sacrifice any time at all!  Tell me, what did he sacrifice?

The Fear of Hell and the Fear of being away from The Father are to different things........I wouldn't even want to be at Disneyland if I didn't have Jesus! it's all about separation not to where you are being separated.
"Evolution is real" O! now I get it, because YOU say it is, I don't expect you to believe ME I really don't........that's all up to you, but YET you can say it's real as a fact statement, hmmm ok?

"why cant God just fix that" because then he would have to stop ever "BAD" thing, and bad to him is Sin and did you know a Lie is a Sin? so guess what he would have to make us "not lie" thus taking away our freewill

What did he sacrifice?........let me ask you, why do you think it was necessary for Jesus to do what he did? 

No doubt that the fear of hell and fear of being away from god are different.  What I was saying was that...you have to be afraid of going to hell as well because going to hell means that you will be far away from god.  
I gave you two scenarios; one where evolution is real, one where it isn't.  If you are Catholic (are you?  sounds like you are), know that the Catholic Church has already accepted evolution for the origins of life on this planet, including humans.  God did not make man from dirt.

It wasn't necessary for Jesus to die on the cross to forgive everyone's sins.  Jesus can do anything.  He could have forgiven us by picking his nose, scratching his butt, or even just thinking about it! There wasn't any need for a long and drawn out bloody death.  Was it to let us know that he loves us?  If so, he already knew that his actions would make us realize he loves us, thus taking away our free will.

Even then, how much did he "suffer?"  Millions of people battle with cancer for YEARS, much more than God ever did for us.  His sacrifice* pales in comparison.

So I ask you again, what did Jesus sacrifice?  

Assuming you were talking about the universe when you mentioned infinite progression, the universe is not infinitely expanding.  

If you want to talk about Newton's 3rd law of motion, know that evolution has nothing to do with it.  Newton's 3rd law is not a flaw or hole in evolution.  In fact, they're two completely different fields of science.


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[its that dude]

Originally Posted by Its That Dude

Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821

Its That Dude wrote:
Isn't the reason you don't want to go to hell is because you want to spend your eternal afterlife with him? 

and If you're talking about Jesus sacrificing himself and dying for us...

Evolution is real. This means that there was no Adam and Eve.  This means that there is no Original Sin because it never happened.  No one is born a sinner.  This means Jesus didn't have to die for us.  Even if everyone was born a sinner, why can't God just fix that?  He has the ability to, but why does he keep on making flawed humans?

Let's say evolution isn't real.  (it is).  How much of a sacrifice was it if God already knew that he was going to die and resurrect in 3 days?  The only thing he sacrificed was his time.  All that blood and gore was for his own pleasure.  Surely he could have forgiven humans with a snap of his fingers.  He's God.  He can do anything.  But since God is outside of time, he didn't even sacrifice any time at all!  Tell me, what did he sacrifice?

The Fear of Hell and the Fear of being away from The Father are to different things........I wouldn't even want to be at Disneyland if I didn't have Jesus! it's all about separation not to where you are being separated.
"Evolution is real" O! now I get it, because YOU say it is, I don't expect you to believe ME I really don't........that's all up to you, but YET you can say it's real as a fact statement, hmmm ok?

"why cant God just fix that" because then he would have to stop ever "BAD" thing, and bad to him is Sin and did you know a Lie is a Sin? so guess what he would have to make us "not lie" thus taking away our freewill

What did he sacrifice?........let me ask you, why do you think it was necessary for Jesus to do what he did? 

No doubt that the fear of hell and fear of being away from god are different.  What I was saying was that...you have to be afraid of going to hell as well because going to hell means that you will be far away from god.  
I gave you two scenarios; one where evolution is real, one where it isn't.  If you are Catholic (are you?  sounds like you are), know that the Catholic Church has already accepted evolution for the origins of life on this planet, including humans.  God did not make man from dirt.

It wasn't necessary for Jesus to die on the cross to forgive everyone's sins.  Jesus can do anything.  He could have forgiven us by picking his nose, scratching his butt, or even just thinking about it! There wasn't any need for a long and drawn out bloody death.  Was it to let us know that he loves us?  If so, he already knew that his actions would make us realize he loves us, thus taking away our free will.

Even then, how much did he "suffer?"  Millions of people battle with cancer for YEARS, much more than God ever did for us.  His sacrifice* pales in comparison.

So I ask you again, what did Jesus sacrifice?  

Assuming you were talking about the universe when you mentioned infinite progression, the universe is not infinitely expanding.  

If you want to talk about Newton's 3rd law of motion, know that evolution has nothing to do with it.  Newton's 3rd law is not a flaw or hole in evolution.  In fact, they're two completely different fields of science.


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[its that dude]

ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821 wrote:
You dont get Prayer bro, simple as that.........God knows "the best" for us, even when we dont know it, its called his Will, I used to ask for "things" and then realized once I read the bible more that Jesus always prayed and asked for Gods WIll not his own "do it your way god not my way" get it? Prayer is fellowship/praise to God not a request line for things you want.


Does God's will supersede our will?  Or does our will supersede his?

 

[its that dude]

ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821 wrote:
You dont get Prayer bro, simple as that.........God knows "the best" for us, even when we dont know it, its called his Will, I used to ask for "things" and then realized once I read the bible more that Jesus always prayed and asked for Gods WIll not his own "do it your way god not my way" get it? Prayer is fellowship/praise to God not a request line for things you want.


Does God's will supersede our will?  Or does our will supersede his?

 

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Dame Theory with the UMK3 Smoke (Multibomb) Fatality.

 

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Dame Theory with the UMK3 Smoke (Multibomb) Fatality.

 

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[dame theory]

Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821

Originally Posted by Dame Theory

Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821

I can't address your love for your friend... I don't know him but it seems that you really think he's there. I wonder where you're from. How you grew up. Did you all have money? How are your grades? I wish I knew more about your background on this note. Also...what has he done for you? I want just a few specific examples that GOD did for you that you could not and did not do yourself. 
Look up Lawrence Krauss' "A universe from nothing." There are several theories that indicate that the universe MIGHT have come from nothing. It happens all the time. Just educate yourself on abiogenesis. Other theories. I don't have time to list all of these right now but there ARE competitive theories out there. Furthermore, why do you think God did it? I don't know how the universe started. However, I don't SAY that I know. How do you KNOW that God did it? ...and "because he said so" doesn't work. I think using God to assert what you DONT know for certain is just as dishonest. You're better off looking into other theories that tend to have more explanation behind them. Lets say God did do it...HOW did he do it? Is that not something you should be able to answer???
Ok you know what? No, I don't know what prayer is verbatim in the Bible. Educate me. 




Why did you not address this point I had?

"Welll what a pointless God. Why pray for help at all then if you have to account for the fact that he might not be there for you? Sounds like a gamble. What if you're on that losing end?"

Sin? Its something bad...or what God says is bad. What is sin according to the bible? Educate me. 

"I don't know him but it seems that you REALLY think he's there"............He really is there Friend, just because you have not experienced it does not mean I have Not
I don't know how it matters if I had Money or how I was Raised, but I grew up on the poor side, wondering if id have lights or water running the next day, eating corn flakes for dinner, but then Ive had times when I have lived well according to the Worlds standards of good, but you could take everything from me and id still praise him, that leads into in what I could not have done by myself, I got very sick a while back to the point of Death and I didnt see anyway out of it, but he took me by the hand and saved my life..........he also gave me freedom from addiction at a time in my life when it would have been easy to turn back to that "demon" that held onto me, But more then anything it's the Love he shows me by waking me up everyday and giving me life, I cant even explain the feeling I have when I think of The Love I have for him and he has for Me




"There are several theories that indicate that the universe MIGHT have come from nothing"..........See that's the problem is you say MIGHT, my belief does not say HE MIGHT have created the Universe, it says he DID, now you can believe that or not but atleast it tells you flat out, unlike Science where it could be MANY things

Prayer according to the Bible is used in a few ways, one for Praise, 2 for a "transmission" back home (the bible clearly says we are not home here) to communicate to The Lord on what he wants you to do in your life and what His Will is, just read and see what Jesus said everytime he prayed "your will" he never asked the Father to do something that was not in his Will.

The problem is people think prayer is a request line, it's not that you cant ask the Father for things but if it's outside of his will for your life he's not going to answer it how "We want" trust when I say he answers every prayer just not how we want him to..........Ive Prayed for things and then realized his answer to that prayer was so much better then what I was originally asking for that Im glad he didnt answer in the way I wanted him to but did it in HIS WAY

Sin is more then just something "BAD" what is bad? what you consider bad might not be bad to another person..........Sin according to the Bible is Transgression of Gods law and Will for our life, when we Sin we are set apart from him and everything he is trying to do in our life, do you think a lie hurts God? pshhhh you are only hurting yourself because a sinless God cant do his Will in our life when we are in Sin, it's why God turned away from Jesus while he was on the Cross because he could not look upon the Sin he bore for all mankind 

Sin cant send you to Hell, no man will ever live perfect even Paul wrote how he could not seem to do right at times, but what Sin does do is set us apart from God that we dont except the gift he's trying to give us...........Sin is like a trail of candy leading into the woods, we fallow it because it looks so good but once we look back we dont realize how far we have gone from home and sometimes dont know how to get back, now we are stuck and sometimes just stay there and never come back...........

I could go on more and more about what sin is according to the Bible and maybe I will but I dont want to make this an ongoing things, I told myself NT isnt the place for this because of how people really disrespect one another, that and the bible says to say what you need to say and keep it pushing.........I cant make you or any one believe and that's not what I am here for, if a person does not what the Peace I have in my life then honestly that's okay you are the only one missing out from what I have in my Life

The only thing i've gathered is how you've used religion to hone in on things that give youre life purpose... well thats just fine but just know that you don't NEED belief. Additionally, your belief and explanation of it are often contradictory. 



I wonder why you think everything is out of your hands. You are FAR more in control of your life than you realize. 




As a pre-medical student and someone who is very much into the study of medicine and biology and science etc...this statement is not only a slap in the face to those that spend their LIVES researching these methods to save your life but the marvelous system of homeostasis and immunity in your body that allows it to recover. Just because you can't explain it does NOT mean that God did it. Maybe you should look to explain things instead of shying away from providing a real justification for how things really happen. I don't see a scab on my arm and thank god for letting it heal. No, I read up on the process of beta cells and other immunity cloting agents that form lattices of protein over abrasions and form temporary covers over the skin to allow it to heal faster. Sounds like God is a much simpler answer so I guess its much easier to allow you skip learning about how things work. Rather, if god was around, why did he allow you to get THAT sick? You really think God saved you? He held your life on a string over a ledge and then pulled you up when you cried "uncle!" ? Does that make any sense to you? 




Bingo! your reason for believing in God. Everyone has one.  

. Once again, you deserve more credit than God for overcoming your addiction. Addiction is a psychological condition. Your menality and need to survive and motivation to succeed is what carried you though. You have a mind of metal that is resilient and I congratulate you on that mile-stone. HOWEVER, giving credit to god does not indicate any amount of the sacrifice that you endured nor does it address everything you contributed by way of resources and introspection to overcome the condition. You over came addiction. God wouldn't allow oyu to get addicted. God wouldn't make recovery a long process. God would actually prevent you from needing to recover. God, if he is so great, he wouldn't allow you to suffer like that. Maybe its that God isn't there and you fell prey to your addiction. You overcame your selfishness as a person and YOU deserve that credit, not someone who showed up late to the party and took all the credit. 




Lets say God did create the universe. Your answer does not say HOW he did it. Forget the why and the when ...HOW? First of all science is far better than faith. If science gets it wrong, the ideas change. You mean to tell me the billions of dollars spent annually by scientific endeavors globally to decipher to origins of the universe pale in comparison to a few lines of text in the bible? Are you KIDDING me? Science says it could be "many" things because there are equally plausible suggestions. Religion has ONE suggestion that doesn't offer any real explanation. God did it. Moving on...like what??? 




He answers prayers different from the ones you prayed for? like what? You didn't give an explanation of a prayer he answered for you. Plus, if hes not answering the ones you want then I guess either A.) +%%! just happens in life for a reason or B.) you're not praying for the right things C.) god doesn't know what you want...maybe cause hes not there? Additionally, How can you say I can't ask God for certain things outside of his will for my life...well if its HIS will how can he not exceed HIS will for MY life? It seems utterly useless then. God has limits on his own powers? Uh...but hes God?




God's law, sounds a lot like codified law that existed long before the origins of christianity. Additionally, if god can't help those who sin, why should they ask god to be forgiven? Also god turned his back on himself as he was being martyred for the sins of humanity that he created? What?

Don't look at this is as disrespect, however much of what you say is not only inaccurate but also unjustified. Why are you a christian and not something else?

It's funny how you skip over almost everything I say and make an assumption on WHAT happened to me, How do you know I didnt cause what happened to me and he saved me? Im not going to sit here and spill my guts over the internet for something you have no idea about, Nor do you really care sorry Bro, but I KNOW what GOD DID FOR ME.........I gave you an example and you want exactly what happened, sorry I dont know you like that to go further into it.
And Bingo what? because he gave me freedom from something that's why I believe??? who said that, I believed in him longgggggg before any of these things happened, this just gave me more of a reason that he loves me, has nothing to do with believing in Him, you are putting words in my mouth bro.......Im giving you an example of one of many reasons Ive seen his Love for me.........Id be here all day if I told you everything in why I believe in Him

It's called Faith "in a few lines of text" Sorry but he said he did it, therefore to me HE DID, if I didnt see his work in my own life and his Love for me and mine for Him IN A REAL WAY (even if you dont think so) then I could see your point........Again just because you havent driven a Lambo does not mean it's not fast, you cant tell me.......Ive been in the drivers seat AND ITS FAST

You dont get Prayer bro, simple as that.........God knows "the best" for us, even when we dont know it, its called his Will, I used to ask for "things" and then realized once I read the bible more that Jesus always prayed and asked for Gods WIll not his own "do it your way god not my way" get it? Prayer is fellowship/praise to God not a request line for things you want.

Put it like this, one year I asked for a bunch of video games for xmas, I didnt want anything else but that.........Come to find out I got an N64 something I never felt id get.......God has done this many times in my life when Ive said "let your will be done not mine" and what I felt like I wanted he opened up something better for me, get it?

Who said God cant help those who Sin? I said he cant stop us from Sin, huh? And furthermore if you want to know more about The Trinity just look it up........because Honestly I dont want to keep going back and forth, Im not trying to convince You here, real talk, youre asking questions and Im giving answers.......God tells us if the word isnt received then we are to shake the dust from our shoes and move on.........If you really want to know more youve got my inbox, if not it's just a grand stand to you for people to see and it will last forever


You didn't provide an example of how god helped you overcome addiction and saved your life medically. The human body is more complex than we think sometimes and as I said before, you're not giving credit to those who spend years learning how to take care of the sick nor are you giving yourself credit for actually overcoming addiction. 

God didnt say he created the earth. Those who wrote hte bible say god said he created the earth. You are a lost cause homie. You can not  believe that everything on earth was created in 6 days. Why not 6 weeks? Why is your concept of a week 7 days as founded on the tradition of jews who worked for 6 days then rested on the 7th before the notion of the modern week came to pass. Everything you think you know is stolen from a prior concept. God said he created the earth...and you believe it. Thats it? You dont even want to know how? You're ignorant dude. 

You can't ask god for anything except to spend time praising him? What do you get out of the deal? Plus if you have free will why would you ask for God's will? Would god's will even matter? why would god intervene if you have free will? Sounds like you're picking and choosing. 
You asked for video games when you didn't ask for them and that shows that God did it for you? Not the person who spent hard earned money and resources on you? The person who on this planet that exists who loved you enough to send you that gift?
The Trinity was made up hundreds of years after Christ supposedly lived. Its not an original thought. Its a man-made concept...much like the entire reasoning behind god. Do your research. 

 

[dame theory]

Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821

Originally Posted by Dame Theory

Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821

I can't address your love for your friend... I don't know him but it seems that you really think he's there. I wonder where you're from. How you grew up. Did you all have money? How are your grades? I wish I knew more about your background on this note. Also...what has he done for you? I want just a few specific examples that GOD did for you that you could not and did not do yourself. 
Look up Lawrence Krauss' "A universe from nothing." There are several theories that indicate that the universe MIGHT have come from nothing. It happens all the time. Just educate yourself on abiogenesis. Other theories. I don't have time to list all of these right now but there ARE competitive theories out there. Furthermore, why do you think God did it? I don't know how the universe started. However, I don't SAY that I know. How do you KNOW that God did it? ...and "because he said so" doesn't work. I think using God to assert what you DONT know for certain is just as dishonest. You're better off looking into other theories that tend to have more explanation behind them. Lets say God did do it...HOW did he do it? Is that not something you should be able to answer???
Ok you know what? No, I don't know what prayer is verbatim in the Bible. Educate me. 




Why did you not address this point I had?

"Welll what a pointless God. Why pray for help at all then if you have to account for the fact that he might not be there for you? Sounds like a gamble. What if you're on that losing end?"

Sin? Its something bad...or what God says is bad. What is sin according to the bible? Educate me. 

"I don't know him but it seems that you REALLY think he's there"............He really is there Friend, just because you have not experienced it does not mean I have Not
I don't know how it matters if I had Money or how I was Raised, but I grew up on the poor side, wondering if id have lights or water running the next day, eating corn flakes for dinner, but then Ive had times when I have lived well according to the Worlds standards of good, but you could take everything from me and id still praise him, that leads into in what I could not have done by myself, I got very sick a while back to the point of Death and I didnt see anyway out of it, but he took me by the hand and saved my life..........he also gave me freedom from addiction at a time in my life when it would have been easy to turn back to that "demon" that held onto me, But more then anything it's the Love he shows me by waking me up everyday and giving me life, I cant even explain the feeling I have when I think of The Love I have for him and he has for Me




"There are several theories that indicate that the universe MIGHT have come from nothing"..........See that's the problem is you say MIGHT, my belief does not say HE MIGHT have created the Universe, it says he DID, now you can believe that or not but atleast it tells you flat out, unlike Science where it could be MANY things

Prayer according to the Bible is used in a few ways, one for Praise, 2 for a "transmission" back home (the bible clearly says we are not home here) to communicate to The Lord on what he wants you to do in your life and what His Will is, just read and see what Jesus said everytime he prayed "your will" he never asked the Father to do something that was not in his Will.

The problem is people think prayer is a request line, it's not that you cant ask the Father for things but if it's outside of his will for your life he's not going to answer it how "We want" trust when I say he answers every prayer just not how we want him to..........Ive Prayed for things and then realized his answer to that prayer was so much better then what I was originally asking for that Im glad he didnt answer in the way I wanted him to but did it in HIS WAY

Sin is more then just something "BAD" what is bad? what you consider bad might not be bad to another person..........Sin according to the Bible is Transgression of Gods law and Will for our life, when we Sin we are set apart from him and everything he is trying to do in our life, do you think a lie hurts God? pshhhh you are only hurting yourself because a sinless God cant do his Will in our life when we are in Sin, it's why God turned away from Jesus while he was on the Cross because he could not look upon the Sin he bore for all mankind 

Sin cant send you to Hell, no man will ever live perfect even Paul wrote how he could not seem to do right at times, but what Sin does do is set us apart from God that we dont except the gift he's trying to give us...........Sin is like a trail of candy leading into the woods, we fallow it because it looks so good but once we look back we dont realize how far we have gone from home and sometimes dont know how to get back, now we are stuck and sometimes just stay there and never come back...........

I could go on more and more about what sin is according to the Bible and maybe I will but I dont want to make this an ongoing things, I told myself NT isnt the place for this because of how people really disrespect one another, that and the bible says to say what you need to say and keep it pushing.........I cant make you or any one believe and that's not what I am here for, if a person does not what the Peace I have in my life then honestly that's okay you are the only one missing out from what I have in my Life

The only thing i've gathered is how you've used religion to hone in on things that give youre life purpose... well thats just fine but just know that you don't NEED belief. Additionally, your belief and explanation of it are often contradictory. 



I wonder why you think everything is out of your hands. You are FAR more in control of your life than you realize. 




As a pre-medical student and someone who is very much into the study of medicine and biology and science etc...this statement is not only a slap in the face to those that spend their LIVES researching these methods to save your life but the marvelous system of homeostasis and immunity in your body that allows it to recover. Just because you can't explain it does NOT mean that God did it. Maybe you should look to explain things instead of shying away from providing a real justification for how things really happen. I don't see a scab on my arm and thank god for letting it heal. No, I read up on the process of beta cells and other immunity cloting agents that form lattices of protein over abrasions and form temporary covers over the skin to allow it to heal faster. Sounds like God is a much simpler answer so I guess its much easier to allow you skip learning about how things work. Rather, if god was around, why did he allow you to get THAT sick? You really think God saved you? He held your life on a string over a ledge and then pulled you up when you cried "uncle!" ? Does that make any sense to you? 




Bingo! your reason for believing in God. Everyone has one.  

. Once again, you deserve more credit than God for overcoming your addiction. Addiction is a psychological condition. Your menality and need to survive and motivation to succeed is what carried you though. You have a mind of metal that is resilient and I congratulate you on that mile-stone. HOWEVER, giving credit to god does not indicate any amount of the sacrifice that you endured nor does it address everything you contributed by way of resources and introspection to overcome the condition. You over came addiction. God wouldn't allow oyu to get addicted. God wouldn't make recovery a long process. God would actually prevent you from needing to recover. God, if he is so great, he wouldn't allow you to suffer like that. Maybe its that God isn't there and you fell prey to your addiction. You overcame your selfishness as a person and YOU deserve that credit, not someone who showed up late to the party and took all the credit. 




Lets say God did create the universe. Your answer does not say HOW he did it. Forget the why and the when ...HOW? First of all science is far better than faith. If science gets it wrong, the ideas change. You mean to tell me the billions of dollars spent annually by scientific endeavors globally to decipher to origins of the universe pale in comparison to a few lines of text in the bible? Are you KIDDING me? Science says it could be "many" things because there are equally plausible suggestions. Religion has ONE suggestion that doesn't offer any real explanation. God did it. Moving on...like what??? 




He answers prayers different from the ones you prayed for? like what? You didn't give an explanation of a prayer he answered for you. Plus, if hes not answering the ones you want then I guess either A.) +%%! just happens in life for a reason or B.) you're not praying for the right things C.) god doesn't know what you want...maybe cause hes not there? Additionally, How can you say I can't ask God for certain things outside of his will for my life...well if its HIS will how can he not exceed HIS will for MY life? It seems utterly useless then. God has limits on his own powers? Uh...but hes God?




God's law, sounds a lot like codified law that existed long before the origins of christianity. Additionally, if god can't help those who sin, why should they ask god to be forgiven? Also god turned his back on himself as he was being martyred for the sins of humanity that he created? What?

Don't look at this is as disrespect, however much of what you say is not only inaccurate but also unjustified. Why are you a christian and not something else?

It's funny how you skip over almost everything I say and make an assumption on WHAT happened to me, How do you know I didnt cause what happened to me and he saved me? Im not going to sit here and spill my guts over the internet for something you have no idea about, Nor do you really care sorry Bro, but I KNOW what GOD DID FOR ME.........I gave you an example and you want exactly what happened, sorry I dont know you like that to go further into it.
And Bingo what? because he gave me freedom from something that's why I believe??? who said that, I believed in him longgggggg before any of these things happened, this just gave me more of a reason that he loves me, has nothing to do with believing in Him, you are putting words in my mouth bro.......Im giving you an example of one of many reasons Ive seen his Love for me.........Id be here all day if I told you everything in why I believe in Him

It's called Faith "in a few lines of text" Sorry but he said he did it, therefore to me HE DID, if I didnt see his work in my own life and his Love for me and mine for Him IN A REAL WAY (even if you dont think so) then I could see your point........Again just because you havent driven a Lambo does not mean it's not fast, you cant tell me.......Ive been in the drivers seat AND ITS FAST

You dont get Prayer bro, simple as that.........God knows "the best" for us, even when we dont know it, its called his Will, I used to ask for "things" and then realized once I read the bible more that Jesus always prayed and asked for Gods WIll not his own "do it your way god not my way" get it? Prayer is fellowship/praise to God not a request line for things you want.

Put it like this, one year I asked for a bunch of video games for xmas, I didnt want anything else but that.........Come to find out I got an N64 something I never felt id get.......God has done this many times in my life when Ive said "let your will be done not mine" and what I felt like I wanted he opened up something better for me, get it?

Who said God cant help those who Sin? I said he cant stop us from Sin, huh? And furthermore if you want to know more about The Trinity just look it up........because Honestly I dont want to keep going back and forth, Im not trying to convince You here, real talk, youre asking questions and Im giving answers.......God tells us if the word isnt received then we are to shake the dust from our shoes and move on.........If you really want to know more youve got my inbox, if not it's just a grand stand to you for people to see and it will last forever


You didn't provide an example of how god helped you overcome addiction and saved your life medically. The human body is more complex than we think sometimes and as I said before, you're not giving credit to those who spend years learning how to take care of the sick nor are you giving yourself credit for actually overcoming addiction. 

God didnt say he created the earth. Those who wrote hte bible say god said he created the earth. You are a lost cause homie. You can not  believe that everything on earth was created in 6 days. Why not 6 weeks? Why is your concept of a week 7 days as founded on the tradition of jews who worked for 6 days then rested on the 7th before the notion of the modern week came to pass. Everything you think you know is stolen from a prior concept. God said he created the earth...and you believe it. Thats it? You dont even want to know how? You're ignorant dude. 

You can't ask god for anything except to spend time praising him? What do you get out of the deal? Plus if you have free will why would you ask for God's will? Would god's will even matter? why would god intervene if you have free will? Sounds like you're picking and choosing. 
You asked for video games when you didn't ask for them and that shows that God did it for you? Not the person who spent hard earned money and resources on you? The person who on this planet that exists who loved you enough to send you that gift?
The Trinity was made up hundreds of years after Christ supposedly lived. Its not an original thought. Its a man-made concept...much like the entire reasoning behind god. Do your research. 

 

[Jordan8]

Originally Posted by i just got lucky

Dame Theory with the UMK3 Smoke (Multibomb) Fatality.

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[Jordan8]

Originally Posted by i just got lucky

Dame Theory with the UMK3 Smoke (Multibomb) Fatality.

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[dame theory]

Originally Posted by cartune

Originally Posted by i just got lucky

Dame Theory with the UMK3 Smoke (Multibomb) Fatality.

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What's your point? 
Thats right, you don't have one. Because every thought you'd been exposed to is entirely original. I'm spreading knowledge that most of you haven't been exposed to and asking questions most of you haven't asked yourselves. If I find a source that presents the arguments better than I can, then so be it. 

You on the other hand haven't made any effort to support any idea or conjecture you've had thus far but instead get kicks out of not addressing anyone or cutting down the discussion of others. 

 

[dame theory]

Originally Posted by cartune

Originally Posted by i just got lucky

Dame Theory with the UMK3 Smoke (Multibomb) Fatality.

copy and paste swag
  

What's your point? 
Thats right, you don't have one. Because every thought you'd been exposed to is entirely original. I'm spreading knowledge that most of you haven't been exposed to and asking questions most of you haven't asked yourselves. If I find a source that presents the arguments better than I can, then so be it. 

You on the other hand haven't made any effort to support any idea or conjecture you've had thus far but instead get kicks out of not addressing anyone or cutting down the discussion of others.