Thread about Jesus - Questions, Bible Verses and Prayer Requests

[rko2004]

SKA how in the world did you serve as a pastor with the way you view things now?

 

[boris]

Japan is unique in the sense that their culture is extremely focused on work ethic and honoring those you're close to.  Suicide is an issue in Japan, but it has nothing to do with how secular the country is.  If it was, all nations with overwhelmingly secular populations would have this problem.  This stems from the insane emphasis on hard work and being successful.

Not really concerned about the abortion statistic.

Exactly. Suicide is a very cultural issue in Japan. 

 

I don't believe in anything supernatural.

No evidence=not buying it.

Supernatural? The bing bang theory followed by everything leading up to now

I see you are a show me guy. I get that.

The Big Bang wasn't arbitrarily pulled out of someone's behind. There's evidence to support it. 

 

[spottieottie305]

Since I have yet to have any questions answered by the OP.... Can anyone tell me what year was Christianity set up? Just for the historical record, I would like to know so I can research it.

 

[darthska]

 
Ultimately, @PLVN
 is right. If it helps you process my transformation better, think of me the way you would a born-again believer... except I transformed over to the side that gets regularly chastised to 'hell' and has no weekly meeting or group discounts at minor league games.

The reason I'm avoiding your question RKO (I've seen every time you've presented it) is because the answer is not something you're ready for, and because this isn't the DarthSka thread.

The reason I say the answer is something you're not ready for is because, from what I've seen both in this thread and over the years, you are completely tied to Christian thinking, something I have completely turned from. What I would say would only sound like Christian bashing, but the things I have to say about Christianity aren't nice, obviously, or else I wouldn't have turned from it.

See, I'm betting that reading THAT caused you to think something like "Nah, Ska, there are some awesome Christians."

And I didn't say anything about Christians.

I'm talking about being done w/ Christianity.

Did you know God?

I'm confident that nothing I say will convince you that I ever knew... 'god', but I wrote this years ago:

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WHY DO YOU CHOOSE TO GO AGAINST ME?
You gave me the choice- I do what I can.
AFTER EVERYTHING I’VE BROUGHT YOU THROUGH?
Sometimes I doubt it’s the work of Your hand.

YOU KNOW I WANT WHAT’S BEST FOR YOU.
It’s easy to question that, looking at my past.
I LOVED YOU THEN- I LOVE YOU NOW- I’LL LOVE YOU ALWAYS.
Do You know how hard that is to grasp?

NOW WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO FIGURE ME OUT?
Sometimes I think You can’t feel MY struggles.
I ONLY WANT YOUR STRENGTH TO BE SHARPENED.
It’s not my strength- it’s my faith that’s in trouble.

It’s not that I can’t believe in the unseen-
Instead, it’s my disbelief in what I see day by day.
At times, the actions of believers in You
Make me wonder if You’re working in this age and day.

How can Your people serve only those deserving
Then claim to have Your UNBIASED love in their life?
YOU SAY THIS UPSETS YOU, YET YOU NEVER FAIL
TO DO WHAT YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU LOOK ‘RIGHT’.

Let’s assume You’re right, why’s that so wrong?
Is it impossible to follow You in a comfortable way?
FIRST, I’M NOT ASSUMING, I KNOW WHAT I SEE.
AND I’M NOT AGAINST COMFORT, BUT YOUR ATTITUDE'S CHANGED.

THERE WAS A TIME WHEN YOU’D GIVE ANYTHING
TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE OF ME IN YOUR LIFE.
NOW THE VERY THINGS I’VE BLESSED YOU WITH
ARE EXACTLY WHAT COMES BETWEEN YOU AND I.

How do I know those things are blessings from You?
Every day I see people that don’t know You exist
Get blessed in ways I can only dream of.
That CAN’T be a result of ‘spiritual bliss’.

YOU’RE CONFUSING TWO THINGS I’VE WARNED YOU ABOUT
WHEN YOU SEE OTHERS MATERIAL WEALTH,
DON’T BE JEALOUS, BECAUSE ALL THAT STAYS THERE.
IF YOU MUST COVET SOMETHING, ENVY SPIRITUAL HEALTH.

I do, but am often discouraged by the
‘Spiritually healthy’ and the things they say.
Sincerity in their responses to circumstances
Is replaced by words that are merely cliché.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY DON'T MEAN THEIR WORDS?
Because I talk to some of these people every day!
They utter what they do because they’re supposed to-
But they don’t APPLY half of the things they say.

SO YOU THINK YOU REPRESENT ME TO THE FULLEST?
No, but my excuse is one of ‘confusion’.
THAT’S NOT WHAT THE LIFE YOU LEAD SUGGESTS
AND YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT LIVING ILLUSIONS.

YOU CAN’T EVEN DECIDE WHICH LIFE YOU WANT TO LIVE
BUT FIND FAULT IN THOSE WHO HAVE CHOSEN TO SERVE ME?
THEY LIVE THEIR LIVES IN UNINHIBITED FAITH.
Alrig, back to this fai, how real can it be?

People pray in faith for You to do certain things
Only for the opposite to transpire in their life.
AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT THEY WERE PRAYING FOR
MAY NOT HAVE BEEN BEST. ARE YOU THERE? NOT QUITE.

I guess You’re right. I’m just not strong enough
To see You though filters of despair and doubt.
STOP TRYIN TO BREAK DOWN THOSE FILTERS ON YOUR OWN.
INSTEAD OF QUESTIONING ME, LET ME HELP YOU OUT.

That’s Your reaction to stubbornness to faith?!
You still want me despite my curious flaws?
I CREATED YOU- HELPING YOU IS MY DESIRE
I WANT TO HEAL THE PAIN CAUSED BY YOUR FALLS.

Undeserving love once again is Your response.
What can I do to properly thank You?
REMEMBER THAT NO MATTER HOW FAR YOU STRAY
I WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU OR FORSAKE YOU.

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So decide for yourself.

 

[gallopinto3]

You do NOT want to make this a logic competition.

Stories of bushes being on fire w/o burning, the entire planet drowning, EVERY ANIMAL fitting on a boat, a woman giving birth despite being a virgin, a man having HIS ENTIRE BODY flown into heaven, a whale delivering a guy where god wanted, a man lifting a stick and splitting a sea in half, and a woman turning to salt for looking backwards...


... and you want to bring LOGIC into question?

Let's get back to civil discussion, and not do this again.

So it's logical and makes perfect sense that we evolved from monkies?

 

[rko2004]

3.Thou shalt not take the Lord's name in vain.



Hey! There is no God, but I still use Jesus's name and OMG

when I am disgusted.

For two names that are considered meaningless and hold no power, they sure are used very very often.

 

[Comparison Ford]

 

You do NOT want to make this a logic competition.

Stories of bushes being on fire w/o burning, the entire planet drowning, EVERY ANIMAL fitting on a boat, a woman giving birth despite being a virgin, a man having HIS ENTIRE BODY flown into heaven, a whale delivering a guy where god wanted, a man lifting a stick and splitting a sea in half, and a woman turning to salt for looking backwards...


... and you want to bring LOGIC into question?

Let's get back to civil discussion, and not do this again.

So it's logical and makes perfect sense that we evolved from monkies?

 

[Comparison Ford]

 

3.Thou shalt not take the Lord's name in vain.



Hey! There is no God, but I still use Jesus's name and OMG

when I am disgusted.

For two names that are considered meaningless and hold no power, they sure are used very very often.

Words only have as much power as you give them.

To me, those two are empty phrases.

 

[spottieottie305]

So it's logical and makes perfect sense that we evolved from monkies?

No scientists ever said we evolved from Monkeys... Stop it.

They do say humans and apes do have a common ancestor that dates back well beyond 6000 year biblical chronology.

 

[darthska]

You do NOT want to make this a logic competition.

Stories of bushes being on fire w/o burning, the entire planet drowning, EVERY ANIMAL fitting on a boat, a woman giving birth despite being a virgin, a man having HIS ENTIRE BODY flown into heaven, a whale delivering a guy where god wanted, a man lifting a stick and splitting a sea in half, and a woman turning to salt for looking backwards...


... and you want to bring LOGIC into question?

Let's get back to civil discussion, and not do this again.

So it's logical and makes perfect sense that we evolved from monkies?

Do yourself a favor: educate yourself, so you can participate more accurately.

Because despite what your pastors have mocked and despite what your Christian authority figures have told you, coming from monkeys is not how the theory goes, sport.

 

[Comparison Ford]

Threads like these make me miss Putty.

 

[blastercombo]

^^^ hell no

 

[durtyraspburry]

Since I'm getting a little more active in this thread, I might as well be specific on where I stand:

I became Christian in 09. Always believe in God, but became Christian in 09. I became a leader in the youth ministry a couple months later.

I preached at youth gatherings. Taught bible studies. Arranged concerts and dvbs (bible school in the summer for kids).

I stepped down about two years ago.

I said earlier the reason why is to make way for the new generation, but that isn't the only reason why.

As time went on, I had more questions. Not doubt, but questions. I believe all the stories in the bible, the ones that others look at crazy. Noah's ark, burning bush, etc. I believe in super natural things happening.

What I was questioning or am questioning, is all the messed up things going on in the world. Like yes, the devil can lead people to evil and sin. But God, why aren't you doing anything about it? It frustrates me and makes me angry. Can't no youth leader be angry at God then go preaching at a youth night.

I also feel like some things are just unfair. The idea of "good" people going to hell, just be they don't believe in Jesus, etc.

There's more but typing from an iPad is not the biz.

We have all gone through this

phase. Hang in there my friend

I'm confident that nothing I say will convince you that I ever knew... 'god', but I wrote this years ago:
 

---

 

---

WHY DO YOU CHOOSE TO GO AGAINST ME?
You gave me the choice- I do what I can.
AFTER EVERYTHING I’VE BROUGHT YOU THROUGH?
Sometimes I doubt it’s the work of Your hand.

YOU KNOW I WANT WHAT’S BEST FOR YOU.
It’s easy to question that, looking at my past.
I LOVED YOU THEN- I LOVE YOU NOW- I’LL LOVE YOU ALWAYS.
Do You know how hard that is to grasp?

NOW WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO FIGURE ME OUT?
Sometimes I think You can’t feel MY struggles.
I ONLY WANT YOUR STRENGTH TO BE SHARPENED.
It’s not my strength- it’s my faith that’s in trouble.

It’s not that I can’t believe in the unseen-
Instead, it’s my disbelief in what I see day by day.
At times, the actions of believers in You
Make me wonder if You’re working in this age and day.

How can Your people serve only those deserving
Then claim to have Your UNBIASED love in their life?
YOU SAY THIS UPSETS YOU, YET YOU NEVER FAIL
TO DO WHAT YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU LOOK ‘RIGHT’.

Let’s assume You’re right, why’s that so wrong?
Is it impossible to follow You in a comfortable way?
FIRST, I’M NOT ASSUMING, I KNOW WHAT I SEE.
AND I’M NOT AGAINST COMFORT, BUT YOUR ATTITUDE'S CHANGED.

THERE WAS A TIME WHEN YOU’D GIVE ANYTHING
TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE OF ME IN YOUR LIFE.
NOW THE VERY THINGS I’VE BLESSED YOU WITH
ARE EXACTLY WHAT COMES BETWEEN YOU AND I.

How do I know those things are blessings from You?
Every day I see people that don’t know You exist
Get blessed in ways I can only dream of.
That CAN’T be a result of ‘spiritual bliss’.

YOU’RE CONFUSING TWO THINGS I’VE WARNED YOU ABOUT
WHEN YOU SEE OTHERS MATERIAL WEALTH,
DON’T BE JEALOUS, BECAUSE ALL THAT STAYS THERE.
IF YOU MUST COVET SOMETHING, ENVY SPIRITUAL HEALTH.

I do, but am often discouraged by the
‘Spiritually healthy’ and the things they say.
Sincerity in their responses to circumstances
Is replaced by words that are merely cliché.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY DON'T MEAN THEIR WORDS?
Because I talk to some of these people every day!
They utter what they do because they’re supposed to-
But they don’t APPLY half of the things they say.

SO YOU THINK YOU REPRESENT ME TO THE FULLEST?
No, but my excuse is one of ‘confusion’.
THAT’S NOT WHAT THE LIFE YOU LEAD SUGGESTS
AND YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT LIVING ILLUSIONS.

YOU CAN’T EVEN DECIDE WHICH LIFE YOU WANT TO LIVE
BUT FIND FAULT IN THOSE WHO HAVE CHOSEN TO SERVE ME?
THEY LIVE THEIR LIVES IN UNINHIBITED FAITH.
Alrig, back to this fai, how real can it be?

People pray in faith for You to do certain things
Only for the opposite to transpire in their life.
AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT THEY WERE PRAYING FOR
MAY NOT HAVE BEEN BEST. ARE YOU THERE? NOT QUITE.

I guess You’re right. I’m just not strong enough
To see You though filters of despair and doubt.
STOP TRYIN TO BREAK DOWN THOSE FILTERS ON YOUR OWN.
INSTEAD OF QUESTIONING ME, LET ME HELP YOU OUT.

That’s Your reaction to stubbornness to faith?!
You still want me despite my curious flaws?
I CREATED YOU- HELPING YOU IS MY DESIRE
I WANT TO HEAL THE PAIN CAUSED BY YOUR FALLS.

Undeserving love once again is Your response.
What can I do to properly thank You?
REMEMBER THAT NO MATTER HOW FAR YOU STRAY
I WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU OR FORSAKE YOU.
 

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So decide for yourself.

So you are not an atheist, but are just 

rebelling God.

Life is too short to be hungering

for the things of this world.

The Holy Spirit brings much greater joy 

and purpose than the things we pursue.

I know I am preaching to an ex-preacher

but I encourage you to return to the 

winning team, this time with all your heart.

 

[Comparison Ford]

^^^ hell no

He was definitely abrasive and relentless, but dude's arguments were on point.

Call him what you want, just don't call him dumb.

 

[rko2004]

Threads like these make me miss Putty.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

We're actually having a chill convo. That guy

 

[rko2004]

^^^ hell no

Which post is this for?

 

[boris]

 

You do NOT want to make this a logic competition.

Stories of bushes being on fire w/o burning, the entire planet drowning, EVERY ANIMAL fitting on a boat, a woman giving birth despite being a virgin, a man having HIS ENTIRE BODY flown into heaven, a whale delivering a guy where god wanted, a man lifting a stick and splitting a sea in half, and a woman turning to salt for looking backwards...


... and you want to bring LOGIC into question?

Let's get back to civil discussion, and not do this again.

So it's logical and makes perfect sense that we evolved from monkies?

Macro-evolution vs. micro-evolution?!?

 

[darthska]

Since I have yet to have any questions answered by the OP.... Can anyone tell me what year was Christianity set up? Just for the historical record, I would like to know so I can research it.

- Constantine
- Council of Nicea.

Start w/ those.

 

[blastercombo]

He was definitely abrasive and relentless, but dude's arguments were on point.

Call him what you want, just don't call him dumb.

Google makes everyone "smart". Dude was defiantly dumb

 

[Comparison Ford]

 

He was definitely abrasive and relentless, but dude's arguments were on point.

Call him what you want, just don't call him dumb.

Google makes everyone "smart". Dude was defiantly dumb

Look in the mirror.

 

[rko2004]

He was definitely abrasive and relentless, but dude's arguments were on point.

Call him what you want, just don't call him dumb.

He wasn't dumb, but who can actually take in what you're saying when you're holding a mirror up admiring your beauty and glory?

He spent time and GB building up a playbook for these discussions

 

[durtyraspburry]

So it's logical and makes perfect sense that we evolved from monkies?

The end be it all is that 

Evolutionist know there is a 

Creator, but they want to rely on

knowledge and blind faith, otherwise

it insults their intellect.

 

[rko2004]

Look in the mirror.

Lol

 

[blastercombo]

The Big Bang came from nothing? Am I reading that correct?


Look I'm saying in 100% promoting the big bang as 100% fact but if you're going to start an argument at least know a little about the other side. Technically the Big Bang started with EVERYTHING

 

[blastercombo]

Look in the mirror.

Meh, auto correct on the iPhone. If that your boy so be it but that guy isn't here anymore for a reason and it's not because he was so "smart".