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^Co-sign
People can't possible be that ignorant to believe that it's all good like they were produce by the same sex.
To those that oppose Gay Marriage, WHY?
People can't possible be that ignorant to believe that it's all good like they were produce by the same sex.
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JsindaA wrote:
Originally Posted by ProducedByTheJuice
JsindaA wrote:
homie trailed off at the end but he has a point. like i said before, its the agenda attached to it.Originally Posted by ProducedByTheJuice
Damn, talk about your slippery slopes...
Several points that I think sum up this entire argument:
People who are against gay marriage claim:
1. Gay people choose to be gay
2. They can't reproduce, so it's unnatural and wrong
3. It says in the Bible that marriage is between a man and a woman, so they shouldn't be allowed to marry
To which I say:
1. Gay people do NOT choose to be gay. Anyone who tries to make this argument either has extremely rigid beliefs about science or does not know any gay people well enough to have talked to them about it for a few moments and realized that it's not a choice. Why would so many people choose a lifestyle that attracts so much hate and controversy?
2. Gay people can't reproduce, that's true. But given our population growth rates that's not a bad thing. There's a ton of orphans that need parents, and I don't think they mind if they're both dudes. Also, some people are born infertile. Should they be allowed to marry?
3. And I can't believe people still make this argument-- why should someone's rights be dictated by someone else's religious beliefs?
Seriously, I dare anyone to find a rational argument to argue against any of the #+%% I just said.
Got you
1) If it's not a choice then what is it? I've seen hetero males/females become homosexual and vice versa....and only when they went from hetero to $%*% do they say...I've always been this way. 7 year olds aren't going around liking the same sex because they just like the same sex, they pick it up from SOMEWHERE and decide they want to follow it. Just like all the other habits they have. You don't see newborns liking the same sex....but of course when you are gay, you were born like that. Everything in life is a decision...concious or sub concious.
2) You don't plug a plug into...another plug. It goes in a socket....catch my drift.
3) We live in a country that was established on some christian beliefs so..................that would be why some religious beliefs dictate our laws.
1. You don't see a newborn with hair on their balls and a deep voice. Things change as people grow older and different hormones are released. Attraction, as it turns out, is controlled by hormones. Did you know that? Do you think it might be possible that people who are homosexual have a different balance of hormones than their heterosexual neighbors? And as for people coming out later in life, this makes perfect sense. It's not that they've all of the sudden decided to be gay, it's probably that they've been gay all along and have chosen to either repress it or not reveal it to anyone. Our society, as "progressive" as you might think, is still not a very gay-friendly place.
2. What you just said has nothing to do with this argument, is childish, and shows how simple minded you are. My second point was that it doesn't matter if two people can't propagate life... There are other ways that they can raise children and aid the human race. There are a lot of orphans in California alone, the vast majority of whom would love any family that wants them.
3. Yes, there are Christian beliefs instilled in our country's laws. Does this mean that when the Constitution doesn't tell us the answer, we should open up the Bible and see what it says in there? Is this honestly what you think? You know as well as I do that in this country the law recognizes and REQUIRES a separation of church and state. While I don't think it's wrong to live by Christian values, and I believe that following the Bible will help guide people to treat each other better, etc., it is extremely presumptuous and downright ignorant to think that your own religious beliefs should be the sole reasoning for passing a US law that imposes guidelines on a small group of people who may not necessarily share those same religious beliefs.
I'm not quite sure how you "got me"...
Got you meant a rational argument. anyways I'm done after this
1) Ok if we are going to say it's hormonal it's STILL not normal. Hormones normally attract men to women and vice versa...that would effectively destroy any normal argument anyone could ever have. This has nothing to do with the US society...it's viewed the same worldwide. So either the world is just not progressive...or......people are trying to force something that shouldn't be
2) Ok...there are alot of orphans....doesn't correlate to a gay union nor does it have anything to do with them not being able to reproduce. One of the main reasons people get married is to reproduce. Care to explain how what I said shows I'm "simple-minded"? Would it be because I don't view something the same as you? Because I realize something so simple as 2 of the same thing don't fit? Or maybe it's because I won't sit and try to force myself to believe something like that is just...normal. Given I know it's not. Whatever
3) It's not about opening the Bible. Homosexuality goes against christian VALUES. Heck it goes against human values. Talk to a straight male that supports gay marriage....and ask them why they aren't gay. They are gonna say either it's nasty, not normal, or (if they are one of the real progressive ones) they aren't attracted to males. If you ask them why they aren't attracted to males.....you are gonna get a round a bout answer.....everytime. Yes the church and state are to be seperated.....but when you bring up a law that is based pretty much entirely on a church issue....why would you expect the church to be seperate? Makes absolutely no sense.
After reading your rebuttals, I couldn't help but. Not only areyour views completely ignorant, the delivery of your argument is downright terrible.
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1) Of course homosexual is not normal. Saying Hormonal error is the cause is saying Homosexuality is NOT a choice. You are born the way you are(Gay), but you're not given equal rights??? Civil Rights Issue.Originally Posted by JsindaA
Got you meant a rational argument. anyways I'm done after thisOriginally Posted by ProducedByTheJuice
Originally Posted by JsindaA
Got youOriginally Posted by ProducedByTheJuice
Originally Posted by Untitled
homie trailed off at the end but he has a point. like i said before, its the agenda attached to it.Originally Posted by mFury
Damn, talk about your slippery slopes...
Several points that I think sum up this entire argument:
People who are against gay marriage claim:
1. Gay people choose to be gay
2. They can't reproduce, so it's unnatural and wrong
3. It says in the Bible that marriage is between a man and a woman, so they shouldn't be allowed to marry
To which I say:
1. Gay people do NOT choose to be gay. Anyone who tries to make this argument either has extremely rigid beliefs about science or does not know any gay people well enough to have talked to them about it for a few moments and realized that it's not a choice. Why would so many people choose a lifestyle that attracts so much hate and controversy?
2. Gay people can't reproduce, that's true. But given our population growth rates that's not a bad thing. There's a ton of orphans that need parents, and I don't think they mind if they're both dudes. Also, some people are born infertile. Should they be allowed to marry?
3. And I can't believe people still make this argument-- why should someone's rights be dictated by someone else's religious beliefs?
Seriously, I dare anyone to find a rational argument to argue against any of the #+%% I just said.
1) If it's not a choice then what is it? I've seen hetero males/females become homosexual and vice versa....and only when they went from hetero to $%*% do they say...I've always been this way. 7 year olds aren't going around liking the same sex because they just like the same sex, they pick it up from SOMEWHERE and decide they want to follow it. Just like all the other habits they have. You don't see newborns liking the same sex....but of course when you are gay, you were born like that. Everything in life is a decision...concious or sub concious.
2) You don't plug a plug into...another plug. It goes in a socket....catch my drift.
3) We live in a country that was established on some christian beliefs so..................that would be why some religious beliefs dictate our laws.
1. You don't see a newborn with hair on their balls and a deep voice. Things change as people grow older and different hormones are released. Attraction, as it turns out, is controlled by hormones. Did you know that? Do you think it might be possible that people who are homosexual have a different balance of hormones than their heterosexual neighbors? And as for people coming out later in life, this makes perfect sense. It's not that they've all of the sudden decided to be gay, it's probably that they've been gay all along and have chosen to either repress it or not reveal it to anyone. Our society, as "progressive" as you might think, is still not a very gay-friendly place.
2. What you just said has nothing to do with this argument, is childish, and shows how simple minded you are. My second point was that it doesn't matter if two people can't propagate life... There are other ways that they can raise children and aid the human race. There are a lot of orphans in California alone, the vast majority of whom would love any family that wants them.
3. Yes, there are Christian beliefs instilled in our country's laws. Does this mean that when the Constitution doesn't tell us the answer, we should open up the Bible and see what it says in there? Is this honestly what you think? You know as well as I do that in this country the law recognizes and REQUIRES a separation of church and state. While I don't think it's wrong to live by Christian values, and I believe that following the Bible will help guide people to treat each other better, etc., it is extremely presumptuous and downright ignorant to think that your own religious beliefs should be the sole reasoning for passing a US law that imposes guidelines on a small group of people who may not necessarily share those same religious beliefs.
I'm not quite sure how you "got me"...
1) Ok if we are going to say it's hormonal it's STILL not normal. Hormones normally attract men to women and vice versa...that would effectively destroy any normal argument anyone could ever have. This has nothing to do with the US society...it's viewed the same worldwide. So either the world is just not progressive...or......people are trying to force something that shouldn't be
2) Ok...there are alot of orphans....doesn't correlate to a gay union nor does it have anything to do with them not being able to reproduce. One of the main reasons people get married is to reproduce. Care to explain how what I said shows I'm "simple-minded"? Would it be because I don't view something the same as you? Because I realize something so simple as 2 of the same thing don't fit? Or maybe it's because I won't sit and try to force myself to believe something like that is just...normal. Given I know it's not. Whatever
3) It's not about opening the Bible. Homosexuality goes against christian VALUES. Heck it goes against human values. Talk to a straight male that supports gay marriage....and ask them why they aren't gay. They are gonna say either it's nasty, not normal, or (if they are one of the real progressive ones) they aren't attracted to males. If you ask them why they aren't attracted to males.....you are gonna get a round a bout answer.....everytime. Yes the church and state are to be seperated.....but when you bring up a law that is based pretty much entirely on a church issue....why would you expect the church to be seperate? Makes absolutely no sense.
2) Homosexuals can not reproduce. Cool. Marriage = Necessity for Kids? LOL. ****. There are tons and tons of married couples that choose not to have kids atall. My uncle is one. My Biology Professor is one. Homosexuals unable to produce? Helps the World Population problem. They want kids? They'll adopt andgive a child a happy life and teach them to be open minded and more acceptance of others. I guess you don't want a world where people don't accept youfor who you are.
3) Goes against Christian Values? Shouldn't be even considered since First Ammendment allows freedom of religion.Seperation of Church and State. I'msure those Priests have such upstanding values since they love playing with their Altar Boys. Human Values? I'm sure the Council of Human Values decided onthis. These are personal values. You can't expect everyone to have the same exact values.
After reading your rebuttals, I couldn't help but. Not only are your views completely ignorant, the delivery of your argument is downright terrible.
Pretty much. Good thing he is DONE after that pathetic argument.
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Look, JSindA:
I really think we got to the root of your argument. Pretty much everything you're saying is an argument as to why homosexuality is WRONG... but that'snot what we're even talking about. This law is about banning gay marriages. Not banning gay people.
The first three comments I made were supposed to show that many people who are against gay marriage don't even think about the marriage part-- they aresimply homophobic and/or don't understand how being gay works.
I don't mean to single you out, but this is just my observation.
I really think we got to the root of your argument. Pretty much everything you're saying is an argument as to why homosexuality is WRONG... but that'snot what we're even talking about. This law is about banning gay marriages. Not banning gay people.
The first three comments I made were supposed to show that many people who are against gay marriage don't even think about the marriage part-- they aresimply homophobic and/or don't understand how being gay works.
I don't mean to single you out, but this is just my observation.
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I believe gays should be allowed to get married...However, it should be called something else. It would still represent a union, will also allow for equalrights. Marriage by tradition has been practiced by man and women. Stick to the tradition and allow gays to share a union with a new and specific name. Thiswould solve the problem!
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Good points from mainly one side.
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What's really the difference between gay people living together and living together being married to each other. I don't see the problem.
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with marriage comes a ton of discounts and benefits. Insurance rates, tax deductions, credit etc.
anybody who is an opponent of homosexuality being a choice (%99 of the cases) please just google peer reviewed studies on homosexuality.
don't be so damn stupid that you only listen to what people have told you. go out and research it yourself.� being indoctrinated ideas and beliefs is bad.question everything you learn.
http://www.webmd.com/sex-.../guide/sexual-orientation
don't be so damn stupid that you only listen to what people have told you. go out and research it yourself.� being indoctrinated ideas and beliefs is bad.question everything you learn.
http://www.webmd.com/sex-.../guide/sexual-orientation
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I'm against Gay marriage!!! By allowing it, it gives our youngsters MORE OF A REASON to be a pillow biter or a carpet cleaner. Its like society is sayingits okay. This is America, so I guess they have just as much right to be as miserable as every other married couple in the US. Im just sayin tho.
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cause it's mad AYYYYYYYOOOOOOOOO!
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I always get a tickle inside when I hear these type of topics. One side I hear the Bible Thumper, NOT ADAM AND STEVE! On the other side I hear, who is Godanyway Let's get one thing straight, the only reason why the founding fathers made it a priority that we learn to read, is so we could read the Bible, andthe New England Primer. Our founding fathers understood that man could not govern himself, unless it would be pure chaos, hence what we have going on today.Homosexuality has always been around since the Babylonians reigned. Homosexuality is like animal play, that is all it is. Its not natural and its a lifestyle,that will wreak physical, and emotional havoc on those who live it. When people don't know their purpose they will abuse themselves! Lets go back backback, Judaism is the most Historically accurate religion ever, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, God is real, and He is the same God that led the Jews our ofEgypt. Without laws human beings act like animals, you set the laws you create the culture, hence the 10 commandments. They Jews picked up the Egyptianslifestyle, so they needed a set of laws to change their culture. Since the 60's people have been saying their is no absolutes, but go ahead thinking thattheir is no absolute truth's in this life, don't worry whether you;ll make it to heaven or not. You will live Hell on this Earth, because God'sword is sovereign, you reap what you sow, a life filled with vanities and hurts. Allowing homosexuality to be a part of our society leads me to hating Socratesidea of democracy, laws allowing homosexual marriage, is encouraging animalistic behavior, point blank. Shoot I have some beautiful cousins, should I ask tomarry my cousin, or should I try to have children with them, no. We lack accountability and people think they can do this feel good crap, and live according toour eyes and feelings. When we had Kings the people were upright, and became accountable, or else! We LACK ACCOUNTABILITY. We can not govern ourselves, thegreatest minds knew this. We are to blame for the 50% divorce rate, poverty, and single family homes. We need to return to the vision of the Founding fathers,we were the greatest nation when we followed their vision, and now we're imploding, go figure!
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I always like you posts. You always have some good insight.
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word
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Sorry, but I couldn't disagree with you more.
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This proposition is just as big as the election itself. I've heard the facts about being a christian, and can't being gay. Then I heard the opinionsabout letting them love equally, etc. As much as it makes me sick seeing gay people do gay things, it doesnt effect me. I just walk along, or just ignore it,and by saying Yes to this shows ignorance. Not everyone is christian and believes they will go to hell if they're gay. And we shouldn't let people getto us, especially if they are gay. Saying yes to this will make this problem even bigger, so I think we should give them the rights. I however do not agreewith the tax breaks, so I don't know. If it had to deal with me I wouldn't mind, but a nation as a whole, I would have to say Yes on Prop 8.
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Thousands upon thousands of gay couples live together, have families, and lead lifestyles that parallel most American families. That will never change. So whatwill be different if they are allowed the same rights? They'll still hold hands in public. They'll still engage in sexual acts. And you'll stillhave to explain homosexuality to your kids. Seriously, what do you gain by opposing gay marriage?
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I HATE GAY PEOPLE!!!
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You just compared gay marriage to bestiality... but I'm the one opening up a can of worms?
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Ive always not gave a damn....If their gay they can be gay...they do what they want, it will in no way have any effect on my life
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you do realize that this STAYING legal won't "CREATE" gay people believe it or not they are around right now and they don't do that to you dothey?
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is that really? Steve being Mormon i would think he would be yes on 8...Originally Posted by ReliantJ
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