So they went through everything with a fine toothed comb, yet they weren't even able to examine Butch's phone records that he used for football business?
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Originally Posted by 5am6oody72
So they went through everything with a fine toothed comb, yet they weren't even able to examine Butch's phone records that he used for football business?Of course there's no proof that Butch knew anything when none of his emails or phone records have been examined and the tutor refused to cooperate with investigators. Butch said last week that UNC has had his cell phone records for months, yet a UNC spokeswoman said UNC hired an outside legal counsel to review them in 2010 but never reviewed them personally and didn't keep a copy. So who's right? Given how poorly they handled McAdoo's paper situation (with nobody even reading the paper in question) I wouldn't be surprised if they had no idea what was in his phone records either.
You're correct in that there were no recruiting violations against Blake in the NOA, but if you don't think he was a dirty recruiter I don't know what to tell you. Everybody knew what the deal was with him even before he got to UNC.
Originally Posted by 5am6oody72
So they went through everything with a fine toothed comb, yet they weren't even able to examine Butch's phone records that he used for football business?Of course there's no proof that Butch knew anything when none of his emails or phone records have been examined and the tutor refused to cooperate with investigators. Butch said last week that UNC has had his cell phone records for months, yet a UNC spokeswoman said UNC hired an outside legal counsel to review them in 2010 but never reviewed them personally and didn't keep a copy. So who's right? Given how poorly they handled McAdoo's paper situation (with nobody even reading the paper in question) I wouldn't be surprised if they had no idea what was in his phone records either.
You're correct in that there were no recruiting violations against Blake in the NOA, but if you don't think he was a dirty recruiter I don't know what to tell you. Everybody knew what the deal was with him even before he got to UNC.
Originally Posted by 5am6oody72
manamazing, Coaches are supposed to log the calls they make for recruiting and stuff and have the compliance office check it every month, that's one reason university issued phones exist. UNC turned over Butch's university phone records because the NCAA requested them, but there were no calls on his phone since he used the 216 phone. That is an issue on its own.
Butch might not have any accusations against him, but he is the head of the football program, and the accusations are against people (Blake, Jennifer Wiley) that are affiliated with the program through Butch. Butch and Blake had a relationship for decades and were good friends; when he put together his staff it's his job to make hires in the best interests of the program. If I'm managing a store or running a company and I bring in two of my lifelong friends as assistant managers, it reflects poorly upon me if they end up getting caught stealing money from the company or being amoral. From the standpoint of the people who run the company, it doesn't really matter whether or not I knew that my friends would steal, it only matters that it happened and due to my poor judgment the company is now at a loss. That makes me indirectly responsible for the actions of the people whom I hire.
It's also incumbent upon him to make sure that his life outside of football doesn't hurt the program. Employing a tutor who was dismissed by the university for improper assistance with players is a poor decision for the head of the football team to make. Even if it wasn't intentionally done (hard to believe), Butch willfully kept around somebody who had already done damage to the team by affecting players' eligibility. It's a pretty damning coincidence that she also paid $1700 worth of parking tickets for a player when she was only a teacher/tutor. My mom is a teacher and so are several friends, none of them would have that kinda extra money to throw around.
So yea there has not been any hard evidence that proves Butch was directly involved, but the mountain of circumstantial evidence is very hard to ignore and doesn't make him a good representative of the program. There was no hard evidence that proved Casey Anthony killed her daughter, but with the circumstantial evidence + the way she acted I sure wouldn't let her babysit my kids.
Originally Posted by 5am6oody72
manamazing, Coaches are supposed to log the calls they make for recruiting and stuff and have the compliance office check it every month, that's one reason university issued phones exist. UNC turned over Butch's university phone records because the NCAA requested them, but there were no calls on his phone since he used the 216 phone. That is an issue on its own.
Butch might not have any accusations against him, but he is the head of the football program, and the accusations are against people (Blake, Jennifer Wiley) that are affiliated with the program through Butch. Butch and Blake had a relationship for decades and were good friends; when he put together his staff it's his job to make hires in the best interests of the program. If I'm managing a store or running a company and I bring in two of my lifelong friends as assistant managers, it reflects poorly upon me if they end up getting caught stealing money from the company or being amoral. From the standpoint of the people who run the company, it doesn't really matter whether or not I knew that my friends would steal, it only matters that it happened and due to my poor judgment the company is now at a loss. That makes me indirectly responsible for the actions of the people whom I hire.
It's also incumbent upon him to make sure that his life outside of football doesn't hurt the program. Employing a tutor who was dismissed by the university for improper assistance with players is a poor decision for the head of the football team to make. Even if it wasn't intentionally done (hard to believe), Butch willfully kept around somebody who had already done damage to the team by affecting players' eligibility. It's a pretty damning coincidence that she also paid $1700 worth of parking tickets for a player when she was only a teacher/tutor. My mom is a teacher and so are several friends, none of them would have that kinda extra money to throw around.
So yea there has not been any hard evidence that proves Butch was directly involved, but the mountain of circumstantial evidence is very hard to ignore and doesn't make him a good representative of the program. There was no hard evidence that proved Casey Anthony killed her daughter, but with the circumstantial evidence + the way she acted I sure wouldn't let her babysit my kids.
How many programs suspended 14 players? How many programs feature a runner nicknamed "Black Santa"? I got some ocean front property to sell you. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.... it's a hangout for Ducks, Buckeyes & Tar Heels. When dealing with the NCAA you don't need proof. Why has Coach Calipari had to vacate damn near everything he's ever won? Would you rather keep Butch and get bombed into the stone age by the NCAA or sever ties with the man who failed to maintain control of his program. What a joke.
How many programs suspended 14 players? How many programs feature a runner nicknamed "Black Santa"? I got some ocean front property to sell you. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.... it's a hangout for Ducks, Buckeyes & Tar Heels. When dealing with the NCAA you don't need proof. Why has Coach Calipari had to vacate damn near everything he's ever won? Would you rather keep Butch and get bombed into the stone age by the NCAA or sever ties with the man who failed to maintain control of his program. What a joke.
