AGAIN? - Baltimore Man Dies From Injuries During Arrest

[mr highness]

^ Naw, that's called getting mad, and trying to slander someone. You must have all of a sudden just checked out this thread and saw one of my posts and immediately judged me based off that one post, but never ever read my previous. I've been trolled here left to right. Once again this has been the whole conversation with me vs 20 other posters for the past 3 days.

Me: "I think the cops killing the guy was an accident, we shouldn't just blame all the cops here, I don't think they intended to kill the man. I mean when you think about it, how did Gray get himself in this position? Lets look at him, he has a long background record, he was carrying a switchblade knife, although it's legal, what do you think he was doing with that? He was known to police and they probably kept tabs on him for a long time. I don't think we should judge the entire nation's police off some of these incidences and claim they're all racist and hate black people. If these whites will be racist, then forget about them, we should just take care for ourselves, and improve and stop killing each other and stop the violence all together. Because no wonder these cops are quick to pull the trigger. Lets try to spread and provide a solution for the black community. Maybe if we incorporate some of their culture of rules and laws and regulations, business moves, etc, it can help because them whites were violent in the past and changed and established a steadily society today."

You guys: "Highness you a racist stupid dense ignorant punk and you are SWS, Uncle Tom, wack sad disgusting and disgraceful of human life. Let me show you some graphs and tables here and there. Let me bring some history to educate you and show you some civil rights images. How old are you 4 years old Highness? You should go to a white supremacy forum man you don't belong here. You are a punk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lets all just ignore you".

^ Not successful debating at all. But yea, INFAMOUS if you wanted reps though, you could have just asked me. I understand trying to fit in.

 

[Brownstone]

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

Me: "I think the cops killing the guy was an accident, we shouldn't just blame all the cops here, I don't think they intended to kill the man. I mean when you think about it, how did Gray get himself in this position? Lets look at him, he has a long background record, he was carrying a switchblade knife, although it's legal, what do you think he was doing with that? He was known to police and they probably kept tabs on him for a long time. I don't think we should judge the entire nation's police off some of these incidences and claim they're all racist and hate black people. If these whites will be racist, then forget about them, we should just take care for ourselves, and improve and stop killing each other and stop the violence all together. Because no wonder these cops are quick to pull the trigger. Lets try to spread and provide a solution for the black community. Maybe if we incorporate some of their culture of rules and laws and regulations, business moves, etc, it can help because them whites were violent in the past and changed and established a steadily society today."

 

Highness if this is what you actually believe ill start with this. first and foremost youre operating under the blanket assumption that people are blaming all cops for everything the bad ones do. although there are a few here that do think that they are in the minority. It is completely possible to criticize and condemn bad police behavior while acknowledging that good police exist. But while acknowledging good police exist and do good work we need to acknowledge that  there is a police culture set in place that is destructive to both police public image and to the lives of minority. Because we cant praise a police culture where good police exist and bad corrupt police develop and run rampant. And thats exactly what the problem is. Im sure baltimore has good police there but we also know for a fact that they have a long history of issues. And the fact that this culture that allows good cops to work side by side with corrupt ones and continues to be prevalent is something we can blame ALL police for. I'll dumb that down for you. We know that because some cops are bad not all of them are bad. BUT being actively involved in a system and culture which allows bad cops to exist and behave badly with out doing anything to stand against it puts ALL COPS at fault. Especially since they are held to a higher moral standard.

The problem is youre in a thread(s) on the topic of police and a police department that did behave corruptly. And to you its more logical to you to say"you know what, instead of asking the police, the people WE pay, and that WE give the power to protect us and everything that comes with that power, to uniformly live up to moral standards of the badge, to serve and protect, and to DO BETTER, you'd rather ask an entire race of generationally poor, disenfranchised, historically under educated, people to act better" because either 'police are gonna police' or because you genuinely dont think there is a police problem. So tell me, who's in a better position to change for the better out of the 2 parties? especially considering the history both current and past of blacks in this country? Infact who has the MORAL obligation to change? i'll answer that for you, POLICE. We know why poor people commit crime. Yes i said poor people and not black people because we know that crime is linked to poverty and not race and that when youre poor crime happens at the same rate regardless of color. And you dont fix poverty with white culture, you fix poverty with QUALITY education. You create a space where people can flourish intelletually. And guess what? pulling up your pants isnt going to do that, not "acting ghetto' isnt going to stop that either. But providing the same opportunities that people in the suburbs get will.

Your biggest issue is that your ignorance of history doesnt allow you to see how urban black people act and behave isnt the cause of problems but its a symptom. And i'm saying this as a black (haitian) male that group of comfortably in the suburbs of Princeton NJ with tons of privilege. You ever wonder why foreign blacks seem to always seem to be doing better in this country than African Americans? Its because my parents, and grandparents, great grand parents did not have to deal with the the generations of poverty and disenfranchisement that has shaped the mindsets of many of the people from these urban communities. You have no idea how being poor FOR GENERATIONS shapes you and your parents and their parents entire identity compared to being born with the world at your fingertips. We're all told growing up that we can become anything we want, but its completely different when you grow up seeing people succeed around you as an everyday occurrence. That success is reachable and an actual possibility. How many of these black people that youre asking to change have that around them when theyre growing up? Stop trolling or being narrow minded or whatever youre doing and actually open your eyes to whats happening around you.

Having the mindset of someone that is poor and has always been poor is not the same as simply not having any money and is far more destructive. Hopefully if you actually read this youll gain some perspective and understand why people are calling you a SWS.

 

[trueprada]

 

 

[tommyicerocking]

 

[Kimchi Papi]

[COLOR=#red]I'm a black ex-cop, and this is the real truth about race and policing[/COLOR]
by Redditt Hudson on May 28, 2015

On any given day, in any police department in the nation, 15 percent of officers will do the right thing no matter what is happening. Fifteen percent of officers will abuse their authority at every opportunity. The remaining 70 percent could go either way depending on whom they are working with.

That's a theory from my friend K.L. Williams, who has trained thousands of officers around the country in use of force. Based on what I experienced as a black man serving in the St. Louis Police Department for five years, I agree with him. I worked with men and women who became cops for all the right reasons — they really wanted to help make their communities better. And I worked with people like the president of my police academy class, who sent out an email after President Obama won the 2008 election that included the statement, "I can't believe I live in a country full of ni**er lovers!!!!!!!!" He patrolled the streets in St. Louis in a number of black communities with the authority to act under the color of law.

That remaining 70 percent of officers are highly susceptible to the culture in a given department. In the absence of any real effort to challenge department cultures, they become part of the problem. If their command ranks are racist or allow institutional racism to persist, or if a number of officers in their department are racist, they may end up doing terrible things.

It is not only white officers who abuse their authority. The effect of institutional racism is such that no matter what color the officer abusing the citizen is, in the vast majority of those cases of abuse that citizen will be black or brown. That is what is allowed.

And no matter what an officer has done to a black person, that officer can always cover himself in the running narrative of heroism, risk, and sacrifice that is available to a uniformed police officer by virtue of simply reporting for duty. Cleveland police officer Michael Brelo was recently acquitted of all charges against him in the shooting deaths of Timothy Russell and Malissa Williams, both black and unarmed. Thirteen Cleveland police officers fired 137 shots at them. Brelo, having reloaded at some point during the shooting, fired 49 of the 137 shots. He took his final 15 shots at them after all the other officers stopped firing (122 shots at that point) and, "fearing for his life," he jumped onto the hood of the car and shot 15 times through the windshield.

About that 15 percent of officers who regularly abuse their power: they exert an outsize influence

Not only was this excessive, it was tactically asinine if Brelo believed they were armed and firing. But they weren't armed, and they weren't firing. Judge John O'Donnell acquitted Brelo under the rationale that because he couldn't determine which shots actually killed Russell and Williams, no one is guilty. Let's be clear: this is part of what the Department of Justice means when it describes a "pattern of unconstitutional policing and excessive force."

Nevertheless, many Americans believe that police officers are generally good, noble heroes. A Gallup poll from last year asked Americans to rate the honesty and ethical standards of people in various fields: police officers ranked in the top five, just above members of the clergy. The profession — the endeavor — is noble. But this myth about the general goodness of cops obscures the truth of what needs to be done to fix the system. It makes it look like all we need to do is hire good people, rather than fix the entire system. Institutional racism runs throughout our criminal justice system. Its presence in police culture, though often flatly denied by the many police apologists that appear in the media now, has been central to the breakdown in police-community relationships for decades in spite of good people doing police work.

Here's what I wish Americans understood about the men and women who serve in their police departments — and what needs to be done to make the system better for everyone.

1) There are officers who willfully violate the human rights of the people in the communities they serve

As a new officer with the St. Louis in the mid-1990s, I responded to a call for an "officer in need of aid." I was partnered that day with a white female officer. When we got to the scene, it turned out that the officer was fine, and the aid call was canceled. He'd been in a foot pursuit chasing a suspect in an armed robbery and lost him.

The officer I was with asked him if he'd seen where the suspect went. The officer picked a house on the block we were on, and we went to it and knocked on the door. A young man about 18 years old answered the door, partially opening it and peering out at my partner and me. He was standing on crutches. My partner accused him of harboring a suspect. He denied it. He said that this was his family's home and he was home alone.

My partner then forced the door the rest of the way open, grabbed him by his throat, and snatched him out of the house onto the front porch. She took him to the ledge of the porch and, still holding him by the throat, punched him hard in the face and then in the groin. My partner that day snatched an 18-year-old kid off crutches and assaulted him, simply for stating the fact that he was home alone.

I got the officer off of him. But because an aid call had gone out, several other officers had arrived on the scene. One of those officers, who was black, ascended the stairs and asked what was going on. My partner pointed to the young man, still lying on the porch, and said, "That son of a ***** just assaulted me." The black officer then went up to the young man and told him to "get the **** up, I'm taking you in for assaulting an officer." The young man looked up at the officer and said, "Man ... you see I can't go." His crutches lay not far from him.

The officer picked him up, cuffed him, and slammed him into the house, where he was able to prop himself up by leaning against it. The officer then told him again to get moving to the police car on the street because he was under arrest. The young man told him one last time, in a pleading tone that was somehow angry at the same time, "You see I can't go!" The officer reached down and grabbed both the young man's ankles and yanked up. This caused the young man to strike his head on the porch. The officer then dragged him to the police car. We then searched the house. No one was in it.

These kinds of scenes play themselves out everyday all over our country in black and brown communities. Beyond the many unarmed blacks killed by police, including recently Freddie Gray in Baltimore, other police abuses that don't result in death foment resentment, distrust, and malice toward police in black and brown communities all over the country. Long before Darren Wilson shot and killed unarmed Michael Brown last August, there was a poisonous relationship between the Ferguson, Missouri, department and the community it claimed to serve. For example, in 2009 Henry Davis was stopped unlawfully in Ferguson, taken to the police station, and brutally beaten while in handcuffs. He was then charged for bleeding on the officers' uniforms after they beat him.

2) The bad officers corrupt the departments they work for

About that 15 percent of officers who regularly abuse their power: a major problem is they exert an outsize influence on department culture and find support for their actions from ranking officers and police unions. Chicago is a prime example of this: the city has created a reparations fund for the hundreds of victims who were tortured by former Chicago Police Commander Jon Burge and officers under his command from the 1970s to the early ‘90s.

The victims were electrically shocked, suffocated, and beaten into false confessions that resulted in many of them being convicted and serving time for crimes they didn't commit. One man, Darrell Cannon, spent 24 years in prison for a crime he confessed to but didn't commit. He confessed when officers repeatedly appeared to load a shotgun and after doing so each time put it in his mouth and pulled the trigger. Other men received electric shocks until they confessed.

The torture was systematic, and the culture that allowed for it is systemic. I call your attention to the words "and officers under his command." Police departments are generally a functioning closed community where people know who is doing what. How many officers "under the command" of Commander Burge do you think didn't know what was being done to these men? How many do you think were uncomfortable with the knowledge? Ultimately, though, they were okay with it. And Burge got four years in prison, and now receives his full taxpayer-funded pension.

3) The mainstream media helps sustain the narrative of heroism that even corrupt officers take refuge in

This is critical to understanding why police-community relations in black and brown communities across the country are as bad as they are. In this interview with Fox News, former New York City Police Commissioner Howard Safir never acknowledges the lived experience of thousands and thousands of blacks in New York, Baltimore, Ferguson, or anywhere in the country. In fact, he seems to be completely unaware of it. This allows him to leave viewers with the impression that the recent protests against police brutality are baseless, and that allegations of racism are "totally wrong — just not true." The reality of police abuse is not limited to a number of "very small incidents" that have impacted black people nationwide, but generations of experienced and witnessed abuse.

The media is complicit in this myth-making: notice that the interviewer does not challenge Safir. She doesn't point out, for example, the over $1 billion in settlements the NYPD has paid out over the last decade and a half for the misconduct of its officers. She doesn't reference the numerous accounts of actual black or Hispanic NYPD officers who have been profiled and even assaulted without cause when they were out of uniform by white NYPD officers.

No matter what an officer has done to a black person, that officer can always cover himself in the running narrative of heroism
Instead she leads him with her questions to reference the heroism, selflessness, risk, and sacrifice that are a part of the endeavor that is law enforcement, but very clearly not always characteristic of police work in black and brown communities. The staging for this interview — US flag waving, somber-faced officers — is wash, rinse, and repeat with our national media.

When you take a job as a police officer, you do so voluntarily. You understand the risks associated with the work. But because you signed on to do a dangerous job does not mean you are then allowed to violate the human rights, civil rights, and civil liberties of the people you serve. It's the opposite. You should protect those rights, and when you don't you should be held accountable. That simple statement will be received by police apologists as "anti-cop." It is not.


4) Cameras provide the most objective record of police-citizen encounters available

When Walter Scott was killed by officer Michael Slager in South Carolina earlier this year, the initial police report put Scott in the wrong. It stated that Scott had gone for Slager's Taser, and Slager was in fear for his life. If not for the video recording that later surfaced, the report would have likely been taken by many at face value. Instead we see that Slager shot Scott repeatedly and planted the Taser next to his body after the fact.

Every officer in the country should be wearing a body camera that remains activated throughout any interaction they have with the public while on duty. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy for officers when they are on duty and in service to the public. Citizens must also have the right to record police officers as they carry out their public service, provided that they are at a safe distance, based on the circumstances, and not interfering. Witnessing an interaction does not by itself constitute interference.

5) There are officers around the country who want to address institutional racism

The National Coalition of Law Enforcement Officers for Justice, Reform and Accountability is a new coalition of current and former law enforcement officers from around the nation. Its mission is to fight institutional racism in our criminal justice system and police culture, and to push for accountability for police officers that abuse their power.

Many of its members are already well-established advocates for criminal justice reform in their communities. It's people like former Sergeant De Lacy Davis of New Jersey, who has worked to change police culture for years. It's people like former LAPD Captain John Mutz, who is white, and who is committed to working to build a system where everyone is equally valued. His colleagues from the LAPD —former Sergeant Cheryl Dorsey, now a frequent CNN contributor (providing some much-needed perspective), and former officer Alex Salazar, who worked LAPD's Rampart unit — are a part of this effort. Several NYPD officers, many of whom are founding members of 100 Blacks in Law Enforcement Who Care, the gold standard for black municipal police organizations, are a part of this group. Vernon Wells, Noel Leader, Julian Harper, and Cliff Hollingsworth, to name a few, are serious men with a serious record of standing up for their communities against police abuse. There's also Rochelle Bilal, a former sergeant out of Philadelphia, Sam Costales out of New Mexico, former Federal Marshal Matthew Fogg, and many others.

These men and women are ready to reach out to the thousands of officers around the country who have been looking for a national law enforcement organization that works to remake police culture. The first priority is accountability — punishment — for officers who willfully abuse the rights and bodies of those they are sworn to serve. Training means absolutely nothing if officers don't adhere to it and are not held accountable when they don't. It is key to any meaningful reform.

Police abuse in black and brown communities is generations old. It is nothing new.
Racism is woven into the fabric of our nation. At no time in our history has there been a national consensus that everyone should be equally valued in all areas of life. We are rooted in racism in spite of the better efforts of Americans of all races to change that.

Because of this legacy of racism, police abuse in black and brown communities is generations old. It is nothing new. It has become more visible to mainstream America largely because of the proliferation of personal recording devices, cellphone cameras, video recorders — they're everywhere. We need police officers. We also need them to be held accountable to the communities they serve.

http://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8661977/race-police-officer

 

[AEA18]

"Police abuse in black and brown communities is generations old. It is nothing new.
Racism is woven into the fabric of our nation. At no time in our history has there been a national consensus that everyone should be equally valued in all areas of life. We are rooted in racism in spite of the better efforts of Americans of all races to change that."

Wish people would understand this.

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

 

@MR HIGHNESS  this essentially goes along with exactly what i said about police culture.

That remaining 70 percent of officers are highly susceptible to the culture in a given department. In the absence of any real effort to challenge department cultures, they become part of the problem. If their command ranks are racist or allow institutional racism to persist, or if a number of officers in their department are racist, they may end up doing terrible things.

The torture was systematic, and the culture that allowed for it is systemic. I call your attention to the words "and officers under his command." Police departments are generally a functioning closed community where people know who is doing what. How many officers "under the command" of Commander Burge do you think didn't know what was being done to these men? How many do you think were uncomfortable with the knowledge? Ultimately, though, they were okay with it. And Burge got four years in prison, and now receives his full taxpayer-funded pension.

 

[fontaine]

I wonder why Mr Highness keeps saying people are mad or getting upset.

Pity , surprised at ignorance and blind support of a group of people , sheer shock at how someone can think like that...

=/=

We mad at Highness

 

[mr highness]

@Fontaine, I'm the one being insulted left to right like crazy out of no where. I'm calm right now, I'm speaking normally, not even yelling, nothing, just trying to explain my side. If this was a voice chat, damn sure will you guys yell and scream and probably resort to threats.

@jdfrenchbread23 I've already been told that and knew that, but do you have any solution for all this? Because protesting is causing riots, and it's not helping much. Because we still see brothers getting targeted by cops. I won't deny that some blacks are targeted more than whites. But what's a solution?

 

[fontaine]

@Fontaine, I'm the one being insulted left to right like crazy out of no where. I'm calm right now, I'm speaking normally, not even yelling, nothing, just trying to explain my side. If this was a voice chat, damn sure will you guys yell and scream and probably resort to threats.

@jdfrenchbread23 I've already been told that and knew that, but do you have any solution for all this? Because protesting is causing riots, and it's not helping much. Because we still see brothers getting targeted by cops. I won't deny that some blacks are targeted more than whites. But what's a solution?

 

[RustyShackleford]

This guy can't stop, won't stop

 

[Kimchi Papi]

I posted a while back in this thread about a story from the Washington Post stating the government was using spy planes over Baltimore that were licensed to fictitious names/businesses.

Here's a post from cnn.com stating the fib has a fleet of secret surveillance planes... It's very interesting what we let our government get away with.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/02/politics/fbi-airplane-surveillance/index.html

 

[AEA18]

I posted a while back in this thread about a story from the Washington Post stating the government was using spy planes over Baltimore that were licensed to fictitious names/businesses.

Here's a post from cnn.com stating the fib has a fleet of secret surveillance planes... It's very interesting what we let our government get away with.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/02/politics/fbi-airplane-surveillance/index.html

People in Ferguson said they saw them too.

We already know the government will go to great lengths to attain information.

 

[Kimchi Papi]

I think this is what I posted earlier last month.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...7c53b6-f352-11e4-84a6-6d7c67c50db0_story.html

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

@jdfrenchbread23 I've already been told that and knew that, but do you have any solution for all this? Because protesting is causing riots, and it's not helping much. Because we still see brothers getting targeted by cops. I won't deny that some blacks are targeted more than whites. But what's a solution?

First off, see how long it took to get to this point? all the back and forth, deflections, and false equivalencies? All of that needs to stop. Inequality and racism, especially institutionalized and systematic racism won't go away if we ignore and dance around the subject. Throwing narratives around that try to paint the picture of racism is something only the lazy don't overcome is wrong and marginalizes the issue. America needs to have an open conversation about racism and what it means to be white and what it means to be black/brown in this country. And yes, America has to have a REAL conversation about white privilege. One of the first thing that needs to change is education, if our tax dollars is what funds public education, children should be able to have the same quality of resources, teaching staff, and environment across the board. That's one place to start.

 

[mr highness]

@jdfrenchbread23 I've already been told that and knew that, but do you have any solution for all this? Because protesting is causing riots, and it's not helping much. Because we still see brothers getting targeted by cops. I won't deny that some blacks are targeted more than whites. But what's a solution?

First off, see how long it took to get to this point? all the back and forth, deflections, and false equivalencies? All of that needs to stop. Inequality and racism, especially institutionalized and systematic racism won't go away if we ignore and dance around the subject. Throwing narratives around that try to paint the picture of racism is something only the lazy don't overcome is wrong and marginalizes the issue. America needs to have an open conversation about racism and what it means to be white and what it means to be black/brown in this country. And yes, America has to have a REAL conversation about white privilege. One of the first thing that needs to change is education, if our tax dollars is what funds public education, children should be able to have the same quality of resources, teaching staff, and environment across the board. That's one place to start.

Educate who in particular? White privilege is obvious, and don't you know everyone is aware of racism, there's also history, the teaching of the civil rights, there's black history. These have already been tried. You can teach a dog not to take your cookies from your cookie jar, but it can still probably do it when you're not at the house (hypothetical metaphor example).

Also note: The majority white people pay the most taxes.

So what's the second thing?

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

Educate who in particular? White privilege is obvious, and don't you know everyone is aware of racism, there's also history, the teaching of the civil rights, there's black history. These have already been tried. You can teach a dog not to take your cookies from your cookie jar, but it can still probably do it when you're not at the house (hypothetical metaphor example).

Also note: The majority white people pay the most taxes.

So what's the second thing?

Education in general. Kids in inner cities should have access to the same type of education as kids in the suburbs. There are public schools in America (particularly urban areas) that barely have the resources to function. I had a friend that worked as a teaching aid at a school in philadelphia and for 1 class of 25 kids they had exactly 7 math text books for the whole class. That doesnt happen in public schools in the suburbs. Thats what i mean by education. And no, there are still a LARGE amount of people that think racism is burning crosses and using racial slurs and lynchings. I was in a white fraternity in college and a lot of these wealthy upper class white guys had no idea what systematic racism even was or how active it is in our country. Teaching about civil rights and black history teaches us about how life WAS for blacks in america but it does nothing to teach us about how what happened back then still affects us today. None of this has been exhausted. And the room for improvement is vast.

What does white people paying taxes have to do with anything?

 

[mr highness]

Educate who in particular? White privilege is obvious, and don't you know everyone is aware of racism, there's also history, the teaching of the civil rights, there's black history. These have already been tried. You can teach a dog not to take your cookies from your cookie jar, but it can still probably do it when you're not at the house (hypothetical metaphor example).


Also note: The majority white people pay the most taxes.


So what's the second thing?

Education in general. Kids in inner cities should have access to the same type of education as kids in the suburbs. There are public schools in America (particularly urban areas) that barely have the resources to function. I had a friend that worked as a teaching aid at a school in philadelphia and for 1 class of 25 kids they had exactly 7 math text books for the whole class. That doesnt happen in public schools in the suburbs. Thats what i mean by education. And no, there are still a LARGE amount of people that think racism is burning crosses and using racial slurs and lynchings. I was in a white fraternity in college and a lot of these wealthy upper class white guys had no idea what systematic racism even was or how active it is in our country. Teaching about civil rights and black history teaches us about how life WAS for blacks in america but it does nothing to teach us about how what happened back then still affects us today. None of this has been exhausted. And the room for improvement is vast.

What does white people paying taxes have to do with anything?

If white people are paying the most taxes, which is true, according to your suggestion, you want white people to pay for poor schools. And they're aware of this in a sense that in general, they are paying for all public schools. So what if we do fund all school for books, teachers, etc. Do you think that's all? Do you know how many black and brown brothers are teased and bullied if they turn out to be smart by other black and brown kids, or if they do their homework all the time? I transferred from an all white school to an all black and brown school. I had to cheat thanks to white boys, now going to a black/brown school, the black and brown brothers had to cheat off from me and we did have plentiful books, and we did have good teachers. Just because Philly school don't have the resources, doesn't mean all poor schools don't have the resources neither, it varies city to city. Do you know how many white kids don't give a damn about black or brown problems? Generally, you can teach a kid from whats right to whats wrong, but that's not going to make them a saint as an adult.

So what's another suggestion?

 

[gwap]

 

I think American citizens should pay to help poor American schools....

if you want to separate america by race, you should hand out the trillions in free work that one race contributed under duress and then call it a day...

 

[RustyShackleford]

Educate who in particular? White privilege is obvious, and don't you know everyone is aware of racism, there's also history, the teaching of the civil rights, there's black history. These have already been tried. You can teach a dog not to take your cookies from your cookie jar, but it can still probably do it when you're not at the house (hypothetical metaphor example).


Also note: The majority white people pay the most taxes.


So what's the second thing?

Education in general. Kids in inner cities should have access to the same type of education as kids in the suburbs. There are public schools in America (particularly urban areas) that barely have the resources to function. I had a friend that worked as a teaching aid at a school in philadelphia and for 1 class of 25 kids they had exactly 7 math text books for the whole class. That doesnt happen in public schools in the suburbs. Thats what i mean by education. And no, there are still a LARGE amount of people that think racism is burning crosses and using racial slurs and lynchings. I was in a white fraternity in college and a lot of these wealthy upper class white guys had no idea what systematic racism even was or how active it is in our country. Teaching about civil rights and black history teaches us about how life WAS for blacks in america but it does nothing to teach us about how what happened back then still affects us today. None of this has been exhausted. And the room for improvement is vast.

What does white people paying taxes have to do with anything?

If white people are paying the most taxes, which is true, according to your suggestion, you want white people to pay for poor schools. And they're aware of this in a sense that in general, they are paying for all public schools. So what if we do fund all school for books, teachers, etc. Do you think that's all? Do you know how many black and brown brothers are teased and bullied if they turn out to be smart by other black and brown kids, or if they do their homework all the time? I transferred from an all white school to an all black and brown school. I had to cheat thanks to white boys, now going to a black/brown school, the black and brown brothers had to cheat off from me and we did have plentiful books, and we did have good teachers. Just because Philly school don't have the resources, doesn't mean all poor schools don't have the resources neither, it varies city to city. Do you know how many white kids don't give a damn about black or brown problems? Generally, you can teach a kid from whats right to whats wrong, but that's not going to make them a saint as an adult.

So what's another suggestion?

You manage to post some of the most disgusting crap over and over.

I don't care how you view yourself. If truly believe you are a racist through and through

And I would bet most people that read your post would think so too.

 

[fontaine]

If white people are paying the most taxes, which is true, according to your suggestion, you want white people to pay for poor schools. And they're aware of this in a sense that in general, they are paying for all public schools. So what if we do fund all school for books, teachers, etc. Do you think that's all? Do you know how many black and brown brothers are teased and bullied if they turn out to be smart by other black and brown kids, or if they do their homework all the time? I transferred from an all white school to an all black and brown school. I had to cheat thanks to white boys, now going to a black/brown school, the black and brown brothers had to cheat off from me and we did have plentiful books, and we did have good teachers. Just because Philly school don't have the resources, doesn't mean all poor schools don't have the resources neither, it varies city to city. Do you know how many white kids don't give a damn about black or brown problems? Generally, you can teach a kid from whats right to whats wrong, but that's not going to make them a saint as an adult.

So what's another suggestion?

1. Nerds get made fun of, no matter the color of their skin

2. Nerd =\= being smart...

3. It shouldn't be a white worrying about black problem. It should be people worrying about people.

4. When a school is poor... It means it doesn't have resources. That's the very definition of poor.

 

[mr highness]

 
[thread="624858"]If white people are paying the most taxes, which is true, according to your suggestion, you want white people to pay for poor schools[/thread]

I think American citizens should pay to help poor American schools....


if you want to separate america by race, you should hand out the trillions in free work that one race contributed under duress and then call it a day...

But this is what the white brain thinks. But in reality, there are still 60%+ of white population and they make more money than all ethnicities combined.

And @RustyShackleford you're getting a bit annoying man, this is all just analytical thinking. All you ever do is focus on the negative things I say. At least I provided an example and told an experience. If observations = Racist to you, then so be it. Go try to get more reps somewhere else man, as if you don't have enough reps already.

@Fontaine, but it's less involving being a nerd, but more so using the term "acting white". Black kids who fit that, get bullied.

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

If white people are paying the most taxes, which is true, according to your suggestion, you want white people to pay for poor schools. And they're aware of this in a sense that in general, they are paying for all public schools. So what if we do fund all school for books, teachers, etc. Do you think that's all? Do you know how many black and brown brothers are teased and bullied if they turn out to be smart by other black and brown kids, or if they do their homework all the time? I transferred from an all white school to an all black and brown school. I had to cheat thanks to white boys, now going to a black/brown school, the black and brown brothers had to cheat off from me and we did have plentiful books, and we did have good teachers. Just because Philly school don't have the resources, doesn't mean all poor schools don't have the resources neither, it varies city to city. Do you know how many white kids don't give a damn about black or brown problems? Generally, you can teach a kid from whats right to whats wrong, but that's not going to make them a saint as an adult.

So what's another suggestion?

Man the more you answer the more I realize that I am not communicating with an adult. You again, are operating under the wrong assumption. You say " you want white people to pay for poor schools" almost as if white people have their own country and urban america is thrid world country begging for help. White people arent one person. Just like one white person's tax dollars grease the wheels of America so do mine. It's not one race paying for their own race's government funded programs. Black peoples taxes go towards building roads and bridges just like white people's do.   You're bringing something like bullying into a socioeconomic discussion? Its almost you base all of your opinions on a 90's preteen drama, or an episode of Degrassi.

 

[gwap]

 But this is what the white brain thinks. But in reality, there are still 60%+ of white population and they make more money than all ethnicities combined.

exactly my point... .americans should help poor americans with education, jobs, and commuinity structure so that the tax burden can be spread out more evenly....