Best president to ever lead this country?

[imasoleman18]

Originally Posted by JewSeeJay

Originally Posted by KICKS OFF

FDR.

@ people saying Obama. 

its easily Obama... he killed Osama and brought change we can believe in

Soon were gunna attack North Korea... "cant wait!"

jewseejay i HOPE your not being cereal

 

[imasoleman18]

Originally Posted by JewSeeJay

Originally Posted by KICKS OFF

FDR.

@ people saying Obama. 

its easily Obama... he killed Osama and brought change we can believe in

Soon were gunna attack North Korea... "cant wait!"

jewseejay i HOPE your not being cereal

 

[rfx45]

I don't have particular one but my HS teacher said something that has always stuck to me. She said here favorite is Washington because he left after his two terms were done even though he had the power not to. He could have been a president for 20 years if he wanted to but he chose not to, he could have been the most powerful person in America. He even declined the salary offered to him because he didn't need it. I thought that was a pretty cool reasoning.

 

[rfx45]

I don't have particular one but my HS teacher said something that has always stuck to me. She said here favorite is Washington because he left after his two terms were done even though he had the power not to. He could have been a president for 20 years if he wanted to but he chose not to, he could have been the most powerful person in America. He even declined the salary offered to him because he didn't need it. I thought that was a pretty cool reasoning.

 

[polorico]

government ognna use this as a ploy to pop off vs north korea.

 

[polorico]

government ognna use this as a ploy to pop off vs north korea.

 

[kash55]

Do you guys even know your own country's history?

 

[kash55]

Do you guys even know your own country's history?

 

[letsgetit22]

Originally Posted by KICKS OFF

FDR.

@ people saying Obama. 

Can you explain to me why you feel that Obama is such a horrible president? 

 

[letsgetit22]

Originally Posted by KICKS OFF

FDR.

@ people saying Obama. 

Can you explain to me why you feel that Obama is such a horrible president? 

 

[goldenarmz97]

Originally Posted by DwyaneWadeOG

ShadyKay NT wrote:

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Unless you lived in the years of a president's tenure...how can you seriously make a credible opinion on that person's impact on the nation. Sure history books tell you everything you "need" to know about presidents, but one has to experience it to really know.

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]You need to understand that the decisions a president makes during his time in office cannot be fully evaluated for years if not decades. Do you think people living during Abraham Lincoln's presidency could truly understand the impact of the emancipation proclamation or the civil war?[/font]

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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Do you think people living during the construction of the National Highway system understood its implications for the future population distribution of the United States and the subsequent developments of white flight and the black migration to urban centers?[/font]

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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Do you think people who are alive NOW will truly understand the implications of our wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? Doubtful. [/font]

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[goldenarmz97]

Originally Posted by DwyaneWadeOG

ShadyKay NT wrote:

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Unless you lived in the years of a president's tenure...how can you seriously make a credible opinion on that person's impact on the nation. Sure history books tell you everything you "need" to know about presidents, but one has to experience it to really know.

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]You need to understand that the decisions a president makes during his time in office cannot be fully evaluated for years if not decades. Do you think people living during Abraham Lincoln's presidency could truly understand the impact of the emancipation proclamation or the civil war?[/font]

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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Do you think people living during the construction of the National Highway system understood its implications for the future population distribution of the United States and the subsequent developments of white flight and the black migration to urban centers?[/font]

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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Do you think people who are alive NOW will truly understand the implications of our wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? Doubtful. [/font]

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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]To truly understand the impact that a president's policys have had on a nation you must view their impacts 10, 20, and 30 years after the fact.[/font]

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[westcoastsfinest]

clinton, lincoln and jfk

 

[westcoastsfinest]

clinton, lincoln and jfk

 

[essential1]

Lincoln... Followed by FDR...

Kennedy was a decent president.. A lot of what is remembered about JFK was the ability to masterfully craft a legacy through media management (not talking Illuminati)

 

[essential1]

Lincoln... Followed by FDR...

Kennedy was a decent president.. A lot of what is remembered about JFK was the ability to masterfully craft a legacy through media management (not talking Illuminati)

 

[wawaweewa]

Originally Posted by Rexanglorum

In terms of delivering material prosperity, Harding and Coolidge and then Ronald Reagan were the best. In 1920 America was literally in darkness and most people still lived as they had during the 19th Century. By the end of Coolidge's term, America looked very modern with the spread of electricity, cars, suburban homes, radios and there was price stability and very low unemployment. There was the stock market crash of 1929 but that did not cause the Great Depression, the intervention by the Hoover and Roosevelt administrations turned a brief recession into a prolonged depression.

In the case of Reagan, there was double digit unemployment, inflation and interest rates and gas price were soaring. He ended confiscatory taxation, understood that supply side economics is superior to Keynsian/Demand side economics (in that economic paradigm, leaders have to choose between inflation or unemployment and eventually they get both), liberalized the petroleum market (and what do you know, gas prices dropped and known reserves increased), 20 million jobs were created and he supported the Central Bank's credible move to bring inflation under control.


As far as commander and Chief in wartime is concerned, it is clearly Abraham Lincoln. Other American victories in war have been the result of American industrial might, well educated and well feed and healthy enlisted men and officers and the emergence of dynamic theater Generals and the man in the White House had little impact on the outcome. That was not the case with Lincoln, the Civil War tested him politically and he had to make many politically savvy moves to avoid utter defeat. This was the one major American war where the President was just as important as logistics, soldiers and generals.

While the North had more men and materiel, he had to develop and redevelop the political capital to invade the rebellious states, while the Confederacy could win simply by not being decimated. He had to deal with draft riots in New York. He ran a war from a Capitol city that was right next to enemy territory. He had spies operating in Maryland and other border states. He had members of his own Party as well as pro south Democrats challenging him politically. He had to conjure the Emancipation Proclamation to keep England and France from assisting the South. There truly was no better wartime president.

Well said.

 

[wawaweewa]

Originally Posted by Rexanglorum

In terms of delivering material prosperity, Harding and Coolidge and then Ronald Reagan were the best. In 1920 America was literally in darkness and most people still lived as they had during the 19th Century. By the end of Coolidge's term, America looked very modern with the spread of electricity, cars, suburban homes, radios and there was price stability and very low unemployment. There was the stock market crash of 1929 but that did not cause the Great Depression, the intervention by the Hoover and Roosevelt administrations turned a brief recession into a prolonged depression.

In the case of Reagan, there was double digit unemployment, inflation and interest rates and gas price were soaring. He ended confiscatory taxation, understood that supply side economics is superior to Keynsian/Demand side economics (in that economic paradigm, leaders have to choose between inflation or unemployment and eventually they get both), liberalized the petroleum market (and what do you know, gas prices dropped and known reserves increased), 20 million jobs were created and he supported the Central Bank's credible move to bring inflation under control.


As far as commander and Chief in wartime is concerned, it is clearly Abraham Lincoln. Other American victories in war have been the result of American industrial might, well educated and well feed and healthy enlisted men and officers and the emergence of dynamic theater Generals and the man in the White House had little impact on the outcome. That was not the case with Lincoln, the Civil War tested him politically and he had to make many politically savvy moves to avoid utter defeat. This was the one major American war where the President was just as important as logistics, soldiers and generals.

While the North had more men and materiel, he had to develop and redevelop the political capital to invade the rebellious states, while the Confederacy could win simply by not being decimated. He had to deal with draft riots in New York. He ran a war from a Capitol city that was right next to enemy territory. He had spies operating in Maryland and other border states. He had members of his own Party as well as pro south Democrats challenging him politically. He had to conjure the Emancipation Proclamation to keep England and France from assisting the South. There truly was no better wartime president.

Well said.

 

[maelstroom]

Originally Posted by rashi

Roosevelt's?
Lincoln? Bush?
Obama?
JFK?
Eisenhower?



All of who are murderers.

The nationalistic aura worship of killing machines and bankster puppets is hilarious.

More info?

 

[maelstroom]

Originally Posted by rashi

Roosevelt's?
Lincoln? Bush?
Obama?
JFK?
Eisenhower?



All of who are murderers.

The nationalistic aura worship of killing machines and bankster puppets is hilarious.

More info?

 

[bostonthreeparty]

Originally Posted by Rexanglorum

In terms of delivering material prosperity, Harding and Coolidge and then Ronald Reagan were the best. In 1920 America was literally in darkness and most people still lived as they had during the 19th Century. By the end of Coolidge's term, America looked very modern with the spread of electricity, cars, suburban homes, radios and there was price stability and very low unemployment. There was the stock market crash of 1929 but that did not cause the Great Depression, the intervention by the Hoover and Roosevelt administrations turned a brief recession into a prolonged depression.

In the case of Reagan, there was double digit unemployment, inflation and interest rates and gas price were soaring. He ended confiscatory taxation, understood that supply side economics is superior to Keynsian/Demand side economics (in that economic paradigm, leaders have to choose between inflation or unemployment and eventually they get both), liberalized the petroleum market (and what do you know, gas prices dropped and known reserves increased), 20 million jobs were created and he supported the Central Bank's credible move to bring inflation under control.


As far as commander and Chief in wartime is concerned, it is clearly Abraham Lincoln. Other American victories in war have been the result of American industrial might, well educated and well feed and healthy enlisted men and officers and the emergence of dynamic theater Generals and the man in the White House had little impact on the outcome. That was not the case with Lincoln, the Civil War tested him politically and he had to make many politically savvy moves to avoid utter defeat. This was the one major American war where the President was just as important as logistics, soldiers and generals.

While the North had more men and materiel, he had to develop and redevelop the political capital to invade the rebellious states, while the Confederacy could win simply by not being decimated. He had to deal with draft riots in New York. He ran a war from a Capitol city that was right next to enemy territory. He had spies operating in Maryland and other border states. He had members of his own Party as well as pro south Democrats challenging him politically. He had to conjure the Emancipation Proclamation to keep England and France from assisting the South. There truly was no better wartime president.

gonna have to go with Reagan or Lincoln as # 1  for me. 
of course that people forget about how corrupt FDR became when was attempting to Fix the Supreme court and load it by adding more members just so he can pass more government programs, If anything he prolonged the great depression, he gets so much credit because WWII happened during the bulk of his terms and that entire Nationwide effort producing planes, bullets, guns etc. was what got them out. 

for me. 

1a. Lincoln 
1b. Reagan. 

3. Teddy Rosevelt. 

4. Washington. 

5. Just a favorite for me, Jefferson. 

 

[bostonthreeparty]

Originally Posted by Rexanglorum

In terms of delivering material prosperity, Harding and Coolidge and then Ronald Reagan were the best. In 1920 America was literally in darkness and most people still lived as they had during the 19th Century. By the end of Coolidge's term, America looked very modern with the spread of electricity, cars, suburban homes, radios and there was price stability and very low unemployment. There was the stock market crash of 1929 but that did not cause the Great Depression, the intervention by the Hoover and Roosevelt administrations turned a brief recession into a prolonged depression.

In the case of Reagan, there was double digit unemployment, inflation and interest rates and gas price were soaring. He ended confiscatory taxation, understood that supply side economics is superior to Keynsian/Demand side economics (in that economic paradigm, leaders have to choose between inflation or unemployment and eventually they get both), liberalized the petroleum market (and what do you know, gas prices dropped and known reserves increased), 20 million jobs were created and he supported the Central Bank's credible move to bring inflation under control.


As far as commander and Chief in wartime is concerned, it is clearly Abraham Lincoln. Other American victories in war have been the result of American industrial might, well educated and well feed and healthy enlisted men and officers and the emergence of dynamic theater Generals and the man in the White House had little impact on the outcome. That was not the case with Lincoln, the Civil War tested him politically and he had to make many politically savvy moves to avoid utter defeat. This was the one major American war where the President was just as important as logistics, soldiers and generals.

While the North had more men and materiel, he had to develop and redevelop the political capital to invade the rebellious states, while the Confederacy could win simply by not being decimated. He had to deal with draft riots in New York. He ran a war from a Capitol city that was right next to enemy territory. He had spies operating in Maryland and other border states. He had members of his own Party as well as pro south Democrats challenging him politically. He had to conjure the Emancipation Proclamation to keep England and France from assisting the South. There truly was no better wartime president.

gonna have to go with Reagan or Lincoln as # 1  for me. 
of course that people forget about how corrupt FDR became when was attempting to Fix the Supreme court and load it by adding more members just so he can pass more government programs, If anything he prolonged the great depression, he gets so much credit because WWII happened during the bulk of his terms and that entire Nationwide effort producing planes, bullets, guns etc. was what got them out. 

for me. 

1a. Lincoln 
1b. Reagan. 

3. Teddy Rosevelt. 

4. Washington. 

5. Just a favorite for me, Jefferson. 

 

[jeenewed]

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

I always find it tragicomical how the presidents who are generally regarded as the top 3 presidents in U.S. history (Washington, Lincoln & FDR) are all presidents from the three biggest wars U.S. was involved in... While some president who was in office during a time of peace wasn't "blessed" with a period of war to put him on the top of the charts.

Washington was elected after the Revolutionary War.
FDR simply because he knew what he had to do and what he was going to do about it. He had a plan and almost was impeached for trying to carry it out.

 

[jeenewed]

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

I always find it tragicomical how the presidents who are generally regarded as the top 3 presidents in U.S. history (Washington, Lincoln & FDR) are all presidents from the three biggest wars U.S. was involved in... While some president who was in office during a time of peace wasn't "blessed" with a period of war to put him on the top of the charts.

Washington was elected after the Revolutionary War.
FDR simply because he knew what he had to do and what he was going to do about it. He had a plan and almost was impeached for trying to carry it out.

 

[senatorjeffsmith]

Originally Posted by Rexanglorum

In terms of delivering material prosperity, Harding and Coolidge and then Ronald Reagan were the best. In 1920 America was literally in darkness and most people still lived as they had during the 19th Century. By the end of Coolidge's term, America looked very modern with the spread of electricity, cars, suburban homes, radios and there was price stability and very low unemployment. There was the stock market crash of 1929 but that did not cause the Great Depression, the intervention by the Hoover and Roosevelt administrations turned a brief recession into a prolonged depression.

In the case of Reagan, there was double digit unemployment, inflation and interest rates and gas price were soaring. He ended confiscatory taxation, understood that supply side economics is superior to Keynsian/Demand side economics (in that economic paradigm, leaders have to choose between inflation or unemployment and eventually they get both), liberalized the petroleum market (and what do you know, gas prices dropped and known reserves increased), 20 million jobs were created and he supported the Central Bank's credible move to bring inflation under control.


As far as commander and Chief in wartime is concerned, it is clearly Abraham Lincoln. Other American victories in war have been the result of American industrial might, well educated and well feed and healthy enlisted men and officers and the emergence of dynamic theater Generals and the man in the White House had little impact on the outcome. That was not the case with Lincoln, the Civil War tested him politically and he had to make many politically savvy moves to avoid utter defeat. This was the one major American war where the President was just as important as logistics, soldiers and generals.

While the North had more men and materiel, he had to develop and redevelop the political capital to invade the rebellious states, while the Confederacy could win simply by not being decimated. He had to deal with draft riots in New York. He ran a war from a Capitol city that was right next to enemy territory. He had spies operating in Maryland and other border states. He had members of his own Party as well as pro south Democrats challenging him politically. He had to conjure the Emancipation Proclamation to keep England and France from assisting the South. There truly was no better wartime president.

Look up Ronald Reagan and GE. It's disgusting.