Charles Barkley is at it again on LeBron Vol. "Punk Move"

[hugebird]

Originally Posted by Ricardo Malta

I'm still trying to figure out why people outside of bum +++%!+% Ohio are so up in arms with Lebron's decision? He got his ROY, Gold Medal, 2 MVP's, damn near every award you can win within professional basketball...except a championship. Why wouldn't he go to a sure fire contender?

And why is Barkley so irked? Why is anybody so irked? Have people not come to terms that athletes nowadays aren't concerned so much with their legacy as they are with their brand? We're in the age of athletic materialism and branding and you can thank the media for that. He's kept his name in everybody mouth like ya'll were givin' him that awesome jawsome, which only adds to his brand.

I like Barkley but he sound like a #%%*%, quite frankly. Lebron is a grown man. Why can't one man make a decision for his own livelihood without catching a fire storm?

Exactly. And to slightly expound on this, I honestly can't believe that we are ripping someone for trying to put themselves in what they feel is their best position to win. Never in my life have I seen the media and fans rip someone for wanting to win. We sit around and *!+%% about the lack of ambition from athletes, but now we are mad? I don't get it.

 

[Jordan8]

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by DipsetGeneral

Originally Posted by Kal Ripped Ken

Originally Posted by MetroKid26

Originally Posted by ShaunHillFTW49

Originally Posted by KB8isCLUTCH

at saying the cavs should have gotten help for him. THEY TRIED. how are you going to lure free agents there when he was low key planning his way out? why would ANYONE go there if they know theres a chance that he's going to dip out, like hes been hinting for the last 3 years. acting like the organization didn't do everything they could to help him out. %%@$ outta here. 

that's the point if they had gotten someone he wouldn't have left.

Thank You. That's exactly my point.

If the team can win 66 games in season and be touted as favorites, not making it to the finals is simply a choke job by everyone associated with the team. 

Thread/.!!!!!!!

Yep. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR HIM YOU IDIOTS.

The TEAM won 66 games. The TEAM. Not Lebron. The TEAM. They all failed.

O Really
"The Cavs' record in their last 10 without LeBron? One-and-nine. This win was their first without him in three years.."

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[Jordan8]

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by DipsetGeneral

Originally Posted by Kal Ripped Ken

Originally Posted by MetroKid26

Originally Posted by ShaunHillFTW49

Originally Posted by KB8isCLUTCH

at saying the cavs should have gotten help for him. THEY TRIED. how are you going to lure free agents there when he was low key planning his way out? why would ANYONE go there if they know theres a chance that he's going to dip out, like hes been hinting for the last 3 years. acting like the organization didn't do everything they could to help him out. %%@$ outta here. 

that's the point if they had gotten someone he wouldn't have left.

Thank You. That's exactly my point.

If the team can win 66 games in season and be touted as favorites, not making it to the finals is simply a choke job by everyone associated with the team. 

Thread/.!!!!!!!

Yep. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR HIM YOU IDIOTS.

The TEAM won 66 games. The TEAM. Not Lebron. The TEAM. They all failed.

O Really
"The Cavs' record in their last 10 without LeBron? One-and-nine. This win was their first without him in three years.."

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548 Games Played

339 Games Won

LeBron James' Win Percentage = .618

Cavs win percentage without LeBron James = .384 (26 Games) 

Difference = .234[/font]

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676 Games Won

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[rko2004]

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

Originally Posted by Ricardo Malta

I'm still trying to figure out why people outside of bum +++%!+% Ohio are so up in arms with Lebron's decision? He got his ROY, Gold Medal, 2 MVP's, damn near every award you can win within professional basketball...except a championship. Why wouldn't he go to a sure fire contender?

And why is Barkley so irked? Why is anybody so irked? Have people not come to terms that athletes nowadays aren't concerned so much with their legacy as they are with their brand? We're in the age of athletic materialism and branding and you can thank the media for that. He's kept his name in everybody mouth like ya'll were givin' him that awesome jawsome, which only adds to his brand.

I like Barkley but he sound like a #%%*%, quite frankly. Lebron is a grown man. Why can't one man make a decision for his own livelihood without catching a fire storm?

Im glad this @!#+$ Malta is out the Pen. just when I think there's no hope left for NT and their suckerific ways he comes thru with a Gem.
  

Well how about the way he went about doing it?

We all saw how Lane Kiffin and Brian Kelly made their exits. This dude milked a 1 hour special about where He was going

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http://cartune.niketalk.yuku.com/

cartune

They failed as a TEAM.

Why are you dudes still throwing this guy a bone? Read everything that's been going on along with the way He's been acting the past few years.

Yeah the Cavs were much better with than without him. That's a given.

 

[rko2004]

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

Originally Posted by Ricardo Malta

I'm still trying to figure out why people outside of bum +++%!+% Ohio are so up in arms with Lebron's decision? He got his ROY, Gold Medal, 2 MVP's, damn near every award you can win within professional basketball...except a championship. Why wouldn't he go to a sure fire contender?

And why is Barkley so irked? Why is anybody so irked? Have people not come to terms that athletes nowadays aren't concerned so much with their legacy as they are with their brand? We're in the age of athletic materialism and branding and you can thank the media for that. He's kept his name in everybody mouth like ya'll were givin' him that awesome jawsome, which only adds to his brand.

I like Barkley but he sound like a #%%*%, quite frankly. Lebron is a grown man. Why can't one man make a decision for his own livelihood without catching a fire storm?

Im glad this @!#+$ Malta is out the Pen. just when I think there's no hope left for NT and their suckerific ways he comes thru with a Gem.
  

Well how about the way he went about doing it?

We all saw how Lane Kiffin and Brian Kelly made their exits. This dude milked a 1 hour special about where He was going

. 


http://cartune.niketalk.yuku.com/

cartune

They failed as a TEAM.

Why are you dudes still throwing this guy a bone? Read everything that's been going on along with the way He's been acting the past few years.

Yeah the Cavs were much better with than without him. That's a given.

 

[retro23j]

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Why is Trevor Ariza's name within 600 ft of this thread?

 

[retro23j]

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Why is Trevor Ariza's name within 600 ft of this thread?

 

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lol

 

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lol

 

[reddmann s2]

Originally Posted by dmbrhs

Barkley didn't say anything about Lebron as a basketball player. He's questioning his actions as a human being. There's a difference.

^ This

 

[reddmann s2]

Originally Posted by dmbrhs

Barkley didn't say anything about Lebron as a basketball player. He's questioning his actions as a human being. There's a difference.

^ This

 

[longrange3ball]

Originally Posted by cartune

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by DipsetGeneral

Kal Ripped Ken wrote:

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MetroKid26 wrote:

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ShaunHillFTW49 wrote:

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KB8isCLUTCH wrote:

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at saying the cavs should have gotten help for him. THEY TRIED. how are you going to lure free agents there when he was low key planning his way out? why would ANYONE go there if they know theres a chance that he's going to dip out, like hes been hinting for the last 3 years. acting like the organization didn't do everything they could to help him out. %%@$ outta here. 

that's the point if they had gotten someone he wouldn't have left.

Thank You. That's exactly my point.

If the team can win 66 games in season and be touted as favorites, not making it to the finals is simply a choke job by everyone associated with the team. 



Thread/.!!!!!!!

Yep. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR HIM YOU IDIOTS.

The TEAM won 66 games. The TEAM. Not Lebron. The TEAM. They all failed.

O Really
"The Cavs' record in their last 10 without LeBron? One-and-nine. This win was their first without him in three years.."

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339 Games Won

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Cavs win percentage without LeBron James = .384 (26 Games) 

Difference = .234[/font]

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676 Games Won

Kobe Bryant's Regular Season Win Percentage = .662 

Lakers Win Percentage Without Kobe Bryant = .604 (95 games) 

Difference = .058 [/font]
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Well if he was the reason that the Cavs finished with 66 wins and as favorites to go all the way... then failed?

HE failed. Not the Cavs.

 

[longrange3ball]

Originally Posted by cartune

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by DipsetGeneral

Kal Ripped Ken wrote:

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MetroKid26 wrote:

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ShaunHillFTW49 wrote:

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KB8isCLUTCH wrote:

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at saying the cavs should have gotten help for him. THEY TRIED. how are you going to lure free agents there when he was low key planning his way out? why would ANYONE go there if they know theres a chance that he's going to dip out, like hes been hinting for the last 3 years. acting like the organization didn't do everything they could to help him out. %%@$ outta here. 

that's the point if they had gotten someone he wouldn't have left.

Thank You. That's exactly my point.

If the team can win 66 games in season and be touted as favorites, not making it to the finals is simply a choke job by everyone associated with the team. 



Thread/.!!!!!!!

Yep. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR HIM YOU IDIOTS.

The TEAM won 66 games. The TEAM. Not Lebron. The TEAM. They all failed.

O Really
"The Cavs' record in their last 10 without LeBron? One-and-nine. This win was their first without him in three years.."

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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]LeBron James

548 Games Played

339 Games Won

LeBron James' Win Percentage = .618

Cavs win percentage without LeBron James = .384 (26 Games) 

Difference = .234[/font]

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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Its called most VALUABLE player for a reason. When it was time to put in as a team come playoffs his "team" MIA know pun intended[/font]

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676 Games Won

Kobe Bryant's Regular Season Win Percentage = .662 

Lakers Win Percentage Without Kobe Bryant = .604 (95 games) 

Difference = .058 [/font]
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Well if he was the reason that the Cavs finished with 66 wins and as favorites to go all the way... then failed?

HE failed. Not the Cavs.

 

[nicedudewithnicedreams]

Originally Posted by I NaSmatic I

Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams

Originally Posted by KB8isCLUTCH

see trevor ariza. why didn't he play in cleveland last season? oh that's right, they weren't sure if lebron was going to stay or not. 

Trevor Ariza? Really? He plays the same position as LeBron.

And they already got Parker and Moon who are similar players.

The Cavs settled for Parker and Moon after Ariza turned them down because he couldn't get reassurance LeBron was going to stay.

It doesn't really matter why he turned down the Cavs because he picked the Rockets end of the day knowing that Yao Ming was injured (I'm sure he wanted to stay in LA, but his agent over estimated the value of him). So he was worried about LeBron leaving the Cavs, but didn't care that McGrady and Yao were going to be on the bench injured? But honestly, KB8 brought up Trevor Ariza like he was a legit option that will make LeBron stay. That was my initial "Trevor Ariza?" response.

Originally Posted by KB8isCLUTCH

Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams

Originally Posted by KB8isCLUTCH

see trevor ariza. why didn't he play in cleveland last season? oh that's right, they weren't sure if lebron was going to stay or not. 

Trevor Ariza? Really? He plays the same position as LeBron.

And they already got Parker and Moon who are similar players.

really? then why was lebron actively recruiting him and LYING to him? go ahead, ill wait for your excuse. i bet that's not the only free agent that was turned off by lebron's lack of commitment to the organization either.
and

at you guys acting like trevor was garbage before he played this season with the rockets. again, if he is your teams 1st or 2nd option, its NOT his fault. 

I don't think Ariza is garbage. But any team with him as your second or third option will not be competitive enough to win it all. So no point in bring dude's name up like the Cavs missing out on him was that impactful. The Lakers just won without dude so lets be clear that Ariza is a role player with potential for more for now.

Originally Posted by LongRange3Ball

Well if he was the reason that the Cavs finished with 66 wins and as favorites to go all the way... then failed?

HE failed. Not the Cavs.

You know that is true if we make the assumption that it was the Cleveland James that won 66 games and lost to Boston. But that only makes LeBron seem like the best player ever to able to win 66 games by himself in the league.

 

[nicedudewithnicedreams]

Originally Posted by I NaSmatic I

Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams

Originally Posted by KB8isCLUTCH

see trevor ariza. why didn't he play in cleveland last season? oh that's right, they weren't sure if lebron was going to stay or not. 

Trevor Ariza? Really? He plays the same position as LeBron.

And they already got Parker and Moon who are similar players.

The Cavs settled for Parker and Moon after Ariza turned them down because he couldn't get reassurance LeBron was going to stay.

It doesn't really matter why he turned down the Cavs because he picked the Rockets end of the day knowing that Yao Ming was injured (I'm sure he wanted to stay in LA, but his agent over estimated the value of him). So he was worried about LeBron leaving the Cavs, but didn't care that McGrady and Yao were going to be on the bench injured? But honestly, KB8 brought up Trevor Ariza like he was a legit option that will make LeBron stay. That was my initial "Trevor Ariza?" response.

Originally Posted by KB8isCLUTCH

Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams

Originally Posted by KB8isCLUTCH

see trevor ariza. why didn't he play in cleveland last season? oh that's right, they weren't sure if lebron was going to stay or not. 

Trevor Ariza? Really? He plays the same position as LeBron.

And they already got Parker and Moon who are similar players.

really? then why was lebron actively recruiting him and LYING to him? go ahead, ill wait for your excuse. i bet that's not the only free agent that was turned off by lebron's lack of commitment to the organization either.
and

at you guys acting like trevor was garbage before he played this season with the rockets. again, if he is your teams 1st or 2nd option, its NOT his fault. 

I don't think Ariza is garbage. But any team with him as your second or third option will not be competitive enough to win it all. So no point in bring dude's name up like the Cavs missing out on him was that impactful. The Lakers just won without dude so lets be clear that Ariza is a role player with potential for more for now.

Originally Posted by LongRange3Ball

Well if he was the reason that the Cavs finished with 66 wins and as favorites to go all the way... then failed?

HE failed. Not the Cavs.

You know that is true if we make the assumption that it was the Cleveland James that won 66 games and lost to Boston. But that only makes LeBron seem like the best player ever to able to win 66 games by himself in the league.

 

[kb8isclutch]

Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams

It doesn't really matter why he turned down the Cavs because he picked the Rockets end of the day knowing that Yao Ming was injured (I'm sure he wanted to stay in LA, but his agent over estimated the value of him). So he was worried about LeBron leaving the Cavs, but didn't care that McGrady and Yao were going to be on the bench injured? But honestly, KB8 brought up Trevor Ariza like he was a legit option that will make LeBron stay. That was my initial "Trevor Ariza?" response.

I don't think Ariza is garbage. But any team with him as your second or third option will not be competitive enough to win it all. So no point in bring dude's name up like the Cavs missing out on him was that impactful. The Lakers just won without dude so lets be clear that Ariza is a role player with potential for more for now.


when did i say that?

all im getting at is that lebron's lack of commitment to stay with the cavs turned away free agents. you can go ahead and say that the organization did nothing for him, but should'nt lebron get some of the blame? 

 

[kb8isclutch]

Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams

It doesn't really matter why he turned down the Cavs because he picked the Rockets end of the day knowing that Yao Ming was injured (I'm sure he wanted to stay in LA, but his agent over estimated the value of him). So he was worried about LeBron leaving the Cavs, but didn't care that McGrady and Yao were going to be on the bench injured? But honestly, KB8 brought up Trevor Ariza like he was a legit option that will make LeBron stay. That was my initial "Trevor Ariza?" response.

I don't think Ariza is garbage. But any team with him as your second or third option will not be competitive enough to win it all. So no point in bring dude's name up like the Cavs missing out on him was that impactful. The Lakers just won without dude so lets be clear that Ariza is a role player with potential for more for now.


when did i say that?

all im getting at is that lebron's lack of commitment to stay with the cavs turned away free agents. you can go ahead and say that the organization did nothing for him, but should'nt lebron get some of the blame? 

 

[shaunhillftw49]

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

Originally Posted by Ricardo Malta

I'm still trying to figure out why people outside of bum +++%!+% Ohio are so up in arms with Lebron's decision? He got his ROY, Gold Medal, 2 MVP's, damn near every award you can win within professional basketball...except a championship. Why wouldn't he go to a sure fire contender?

And why is Barkley so irked? Why is anybody so irked? Have people not come to terms that athletes nowadays aren't concerned so much with their legacy as they are with their brand? We're in the age of athletic materialism and branding and you can thank the media for that. He's kept his name in everybody mouth like ya'll were givin' him that awesome jawsome, which only adds to his brand.

I like Barkley but he sound like a #%%*%, quite frankly. Lebron is a grown man. Why can't one man make a decision for his own livelihood without catching a fire storm?

Im glad this @!#+$ Malta is out the Pen. just when I think there's no hope left for NT and their suckerific ways he comes thru with a Gem.
  

Well how about the way he went about doing it?

We all saw how Lane Kiffin and Brian Kelly made their exits. This dude milked a 1 hour special about where He was going

. 


http://cartune.niketalk.yuku.com/

cartune

They failed as a TEAM.

Why are you dudes still throwing this guy a bone? Read everything that's been going on along with the way He's been acting the past few years.

Yeah the Cavs were much better with than without him. That's a given.


Some whee there's a kid getting free lunch because of that special

 

[shaunhillftw49]

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

Originally Posted by Ricardo Malta

I'm still trying to figure out why people outside of bum +++%!+% Ohio are so up in arms with Lebron's decision? He got his ROY, Gold Medal, 2 MVP's, damn near every award you can win within professional basketball...except a championship. Why wouldn't he go to a sure fire contender?

And why is Barkley so irked? Why is anybody so irked? Have people not come to terms that athletes nowadays aren't concerned so much with their legacy as they are with their brand? We're in the age of athletic materialism and branding and you can thank the media for that. He's kept his name in everybody mouth like ya'll were givin' him that awesome jawsome, which only adds to his brand.

I like Barkley but he sound like a #%%*%, quite frankly. Lebron is a grown man. Why can't one man make a decision for his own livelihood without catching a fire storm?

Im glad this @!#+$ Malta is out the Pen. just when I think there's no hope left for NT and their suckerific ways he comes thru with a Gem.
  

Well how about the way he went about doing it?

We all saw how Lane Kiffin and Brian Kelly made their exits. This dude milked a 1 hour special about where He was going

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http://cartune.niketalk.yuku.com/

cartune

They failed as a TEAM.

Why are you dudes still throwing this guy a bone? Read everything that's been going on along with the way He's been acting the past few years.

Yeah the Cavs were much better with than without him. That's a given.


Some whee there's a kid getting free lunch because of that special

 

[metrokid26]

Originally Posted by cartune

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by DipsetGeneral

Originally Posted by Kal Ripped Ken

Originally Posted by MetroKid26

Originally Posted by ShaunHillFTW49

Originally Posted by KB8isCLUTCH

at saying the cavs should have gotten help for him. THEY TRIED. how are you going to lure free agents there when he was low key planning his way out? why would ANYONE go there if they know theres a chance that he's going to dip out, like hes been hinting for the last 3 years. acting like the organization didn't do everything they could to help him out. %%@$ outta here. 

that's the point if they had gotten someone he wouldn't have left.

Thank You. That's exactly my point.

If the team can win 66 games in season and be touted as favorites, not making it to the finals is simply a choke job by everyone associated with the team. 

Thread/.!!!!!!!

Yep. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR HIM YOU IDIOTS.

The TEAM won 66 games. The TEAM. Not Lebron. The TEAM. They all failed.

O Really
"The Cavs' record in their last 10 without LeBron? One-and-nine. This win was their first without him in three years.."

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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]LeBron James

548 Games Played

339 Games Won

LeBron James' Win Percentage = .618

Cavs win percentage without LeBron James = .384 (26 Games) 

Difference = .234[/font]

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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Its called most VALUABLE player for a reason. When it was time to put in as a team come playoffs his "team" MIA know pun intended[/font]

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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]O and for the Kobe fans....[/font]

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1021 Games Played

676 Games Won

Kobe Bryant's Regular Season Win Percentage = .662 

Lakers Win Percentage Without Kobe Bryant = .604 (95 games) 

Difference = .058 [/font]
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Exactly...dudes act like Kobe doesn't have a loaded team in Pau, artest, bynum, and odom off the bench (who would be starting on a lot of other nba teams) to get him these 2 championships.

If LeBron doesn't play as hard as he does, then it's "He's not a good player", when he does his job, but his team can't give him the leverage he needs to win a championship, he's a choke artist. He wins the MVP 2 years in a row (something Kobe hasn't done yet, which is an award that's distributed to the best player in the NBA) and guys are still telling me he's not a great player. It really is a "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't" situation. What more do you want the guy to do?

 

[metrokid26]

Originally Posted by cartune

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by DipsetGeneral

Originally Posted by Kal Ripped Ken

Originally Posted by MetroKid26

Originally Posted by ShaunHillFTW49

Originally Posted by KB8isCLUTCH

at saying the cavs should have gotten help for him. THEY TRIED. how are you going to lure free agents there when he was low key planning his way out? why would ANYONE go there if they know theres a chance that he's going to dip out, like hes been hinting for the last 3 years. acting like the organization didn't do everything they could to help him out. %%@$ outta here. 

that's the point if they had gotten someone he wouldn't have left.

Thank You. That's exactly my point.

If the team can win 66 games in season and be touted as favorites, not making it to the finals is simply a choke job by everyone associated with the team. 

Thread/.!!!!!!!

Yep. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR HIM YOU IDIOTS.

The TEAM won 66 games. The TEAM. Not Lebron. The TEAM. They all failed.

O Really
"The Cavs' record in their last 10 without LeBron? One-and-nine. This win was their first without him in three years.."

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]LeBron James

548 Games Played

339 Games Won

LeBron James' Win Percentage = .618

Cavs win percentage without LeBron James = .384 (26 Games) 

Difference = .234[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Its called most VALUABLE player for a reason. When it was time to put in as a team come playoffs his "team" MIA know pun intended[/font]

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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]O and for the Kobe fans....[/font]

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[font=verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Kobe Bryant[/font]
[font=verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif]
1021 Games Played

676 Games Won

Kobe Bryant's Regular Season Win Percentage = .662 

Lakers Win Percentage Without Kobe Bryant = .604 (95 games) 

Difference = .058 [/font]
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Exactly...dudes act like Kobe doesn't have a loaded team in Pau, artest, bynum, and odom off the bench (who would be starting on a lot of other nba teams) to get him these 2 championships.

If LeBron doesn't play as hard as he does, then it's "He's not a good player", when he does his job, but his team can't give him the leverage he needs to win a championship, he's a choke artist. He wins the MVP 2 years in a row (something Kobe hasn't done yet, which is an award that's distributed to the best player in the NBA) and guys are still telling me he's not a great player. It really is a "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't" situation. What more do you want the guy to do?

 

[nicedudewithnicedreams]

Originally Posted by KB8isCLUTCH

Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams

It doesn't really matter why he turned down the Cavs because he picked the Rockets end of the day knowing that Yao Ming was injured (I'm sure he wanted to stay in LA, but his agent over estimated the value of him). So he was worried about LeBron leaving the Cavs, but didn't care that McGrady and Yao were going to be on the bench injured? But honestly, KB8 brought up Trevor Ariza like he was a legit option that will make LeBron stay. That was my initial "Trevor Ariza?" response.

I don't think Ariza is garbage. But any team with him as your second or third option will not be competitive enough to win it all. So no point in bring dude's name up like the Cavs missing out on him was that impactful. The Lakers just won without dude so lets be clear that Ariza is a role player with potential for more for now.

when did i say that?

all im getting at is that lebron's lack of commitment to stay with the cavs turned away free agents. you can go ahead and say that the organization did nothing for him, but should'nt lebron get some of the blame?

Cleveland's front office lack of commitment in bringing in a legit second option to LeBron turned away LeBron's commitment to the Cleveland as well.

Like I mentioned, if Ariza was so scared of LeBron bailing after one year, why didn't he care that Yao and T-Mac being injured in Houston? Ariza would still be a Laker if he only cared about winning. Not saying he doesn't, but he and especially his agent probably felt it was time to showcase himself more with his new contract.

Once again, Trevor Ariza tho? At least use a better example with someone that can actually make a bigger impact in Cleveland.

 

 

[nicedudewithnicedreams]

Originally Posted by KB8isCLUTCH

Originally Posted by nicedudewithnicedreams

It doesn't really matter why he turned down the Cavs because he picked the Rockets end of the day knowing that Yao Ming was injured (I'm sure he wanted to stay in LA, but his agent over estimated the value of him). So he was worried about LeBron leaving the Cavs, but didn't care that McGrady and Yao were going to be on the bench injured? But honestly, KB8 brought up Trevor Ariza like he was a legit option that will make LeBron stay. That was my initial "Trevor Ariza?" response.

I don't think Ariza is garbage. But any team with him as your second or third option will not be competitive enough to win it all. So no point in bring dude's name up like the Cavs missing out on him was that impactful. The Lakers just won without dude so lets be clear that Ariza is a role player with potential for more for now.

when did i say that?

all im getting at is that lebron's lack of commitment to stay with the cavs turned away free agents. you can go ahead and say that the organization did nothing for him, but should'nt lebron get some of the blame?

Cleveland's front office lack of commitment in bringing in a legit second option to LeBron turned away LeBron's commitment to the Cleveland as well.

Like I mentioned, if Ariza was so scared of LeBron bailing after one year, why didn't he care that Yao and T-Mac being injured in Houston? Ariza would still be a Laker if he only cared about winning. Not saying he doesn't, but he and especially his agent probably felt it was time to showcase himself more with his new contract.

Once again, Trevor Ariza tho? At least use a better example with someone that can actually make a bigger impact in Cleveland.

 

 

[rook]

Originally Posted by MetroKid26

Originally Posted by cartune

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by DipsetGeneral

Originally Posted by Kal Ripped Ken

Originally Posted by MetroKid26

Originally Posted by ShaunHillFTW49

Originally Posted by KB8isCLUTCH

at saying the cavs should have gotten help for him. THEY TRIED. how are you going to lure free agents there when he was low key planning his way out? why would ANYONE go there if they know theres a chance that he's going to dip out, like hes been hinting for the last 3 years. acting like the organization didn't do everything they could to help him out. %%@$ outta here. 

that's the point if they had gotten someone he wouldn't have left.

Thank You. That's exactly my point.

If the team can win 66 games in season and be touted as favorites, not making it to the finals is simply a choke job by everyone associated with the team. 

Thread/.!!!!!!!

Yep. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR HIM YOU IDIOTS.

The TEAM won 66 games. The TEAM. Not Lebron. The TEAM. They all failed.

O Really
"The Cavs' record in their last 10 without LeBron? One-and-nine. This win was their first without him in three years.."

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]LeBron James

548 Games Played

339 Games Won

LeBron James' Win Percentage = .618

Cavs win percentage without LeBron James = .384 (26 Games) 

Difference = .234[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Its called most VALUABLE player for a reason. When it was time to put in as a team come playoffs his "team" MIA know pun intended[/font]

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[/font]

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[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]O and for the Kobe fans....[/font]

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[font=verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif]
1021 Games Played

676 Games Won

Kobe Bryant's Regular Season Win Percentage = .662 

Lakers Win Percentage Without Kobe Bryant = .604 (95 games) 

Difference = .058 [/font]
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  [/font][/font]

Exactly...dudes act like Kobe doesn't have a loaded team in Pau, artest, bynum, and odom off the bench (who would be starting on a lot of other nba teams) to get him these 2 championships.

If LeBron doesn't play as hard as he does, then it's "He's not a good player", when he does his job, but his team can't give him the leverage he needs to win a championship, he's a choke artist. He wins the MVP 2 years in a row (something Kobe hasn't done yet, which is an award that's distributed to the best player in the NBA) and guys are still telling me he's not a great player. It really is a "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't" situation. What more do you want the guy to do?

You guys kill me.

If you hate Kobe just say it. Posting useless numbers aren't going to get you anywhere

Again:











5 Rings












0 Rings.












Nuff Said'

 

[rook]

Originally Posted by MetroKid26

Originally Posted by cartune

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by DipsetGeneral

Originally Posted by Kal Ripped Ken

Originally Posted by MetroKid26

Originally Posted by ShaunHillFTW49

Originally Posted by KB8isCLUTCH

at saying the cavs should have gotten help for him. THEY TRIED. how are you going to lure free agents there when he was low key planning his way out? why would ANYONE go there if they know theres a chance that he's going to dip out, like hes been hinting for the last 3 years. acting like the organization didn't do everything they could to help him out. %%@$ outta here. 

that's the point if they had gotten someone he wouldn't have left.

Thank You. That's exactly my point.

If the team can win 66 games in season and be touted as favorites, not making it to the finals is simply a choke job by everyone associated with the team. 

Thread/.!!!!!!!

Yep. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR HIM YOU IDIOTS.

The TEAM won 66 games. The TEAM. Not Lebron. The TEAM. They all failed.

O Really
"The Cavs' record in their last 10 without LeBron? One-and-nine. This win was their first without him in three years.."

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]LeBron James

548 Games Played

339 Games Won

LeBron James' Win Percentage = .618

Cavs win percentage without LeBron James = .384 (26 Games) 

Difference = .234[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Its called most VALUABLE player for a reason. When it was time to put in as a team come playoffs his "team" MIA know pun intended[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]O and for the Kobe fans....[/font]

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[font=verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Kobe Bryant[/font]
[font=verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif]
1021 Games Played

676 Games Won

Kobe Bryant's Regular Season Win Percentage = .662 

Lakers Win Percentage Without Kobe Bryant = .604 (95 games) 

Difference = .058 [/font]
[font=verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif][font=verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif]
  [/font][/font]

Exactly...dudes act like Kobe doesn't have a loaded team in Pau, artest, bynum, and odom off the bench (who would be starting on a lot of other nba teams) to get him these 2 championships.

If LeBron doesn't play as hard as he does, then it's "He's not a good player", when he does his job, but his team can't give him the leverage he needs to win a championship, he's a choke artist. He wins the MVP 2 years in a row (something Kobe hasn't done yet, which is an award that's distributed to the best player in the NBA) and guys are still telling me he's not a great player. It really is a "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't" situation. What more do you want the guy to do?

You guys kill me.

If you hate Kobe just say it. Posting useless numbers aren't going to get you anywhere

Again:











5 Rings












0 Rings.












Nuff Said'