Florida School Shooting, Over 20 Casualties

[tekthemaestro]

Violence is in our nature as humans, everyone has the potential to be violent, weapons are a tool of violence we created specifically to kill and a weapons effectiveness is measured by how much damage it can cause others, how many kills it can rack up and how fast it can do it...so good deflection, I never once said we weren’t violent or that weapons shoot themselves, that’s the silly narrative you clowns wanna hold on to in order to water down the issue....fact is without ARs violent individuals will have to get a bit more creative if they wanna cause this much harm....Accessibility to these type of weapons by civilians make it extremely easy for ANY nutjob to effortlessly take too many lives in a short span

i agree with most of this. however it doesnt take much creativity for the shooter to say ok after i get them all in the hallway after pulling the firearm, use a handgun or two instead. as for how many kills it can rack up and how fast, the handgun shoots as fast as the AR. stats will tell u handguns are plenty lethal, even from one shot. and. youd be surprised at how many people dont acknowledge that the shooter's mentality should be a focus. cuz if there are 15 million of anything out there, but only 100 get misused... im not gonna blame the item itself for its misuse. accessibility IS too easy. hence, reduce accessibility. implement new rules and tracking. the solution isnt to try and stop the item from existing.

 

[sfc415]

That really added a lot to the discussion.

Do you agree that the United States would be better off we were more like England culturally as it pertains to violence?

It's very difficult to get points across to people with poor grammar and spelling on here. I don't know why expect anything from trying

 

[tekthemaestro]

It's very difficult to get points across to people with poor grammar and spelling on here. I don't know why expect anything from trying

*sigh*

 

[sfc415]

Compare one missed letter from my phone keyboard to your millions of mistakes over the past 20 pages. Congrats!

 

[tekthemaestro]

 

[getback]

That really added a lot to the discussion.

Do you agree that the United States would be better off we were more like England culturally as it pertains to violence?

tekthemaestro ?

 

[tekthemaestro]

tekthemaestro ?

after ur last stunt with moving the goal posts, im literally not entertaining u anymore my guy.

 

[getback]

after ur last stunt with moving the goal posts, im literally not entertaining u anymore my guy.

Very mature of you

I'll take that as a no. You sound like a violent dude, so I expected as much.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

What a herb.

 

[tekthemaestro]

Very mature of you

I'll take that as a no. You sound like a violent dude, so I expected as much.

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[MalcolmNewton]

That really added a lot to the discussion.

Do you agree that the United States would be better off we were more like England culturally as it pertains to violence?

Not arguing against getting U.S guns under control but, the UK may not be as violent as the U.S, but they are still violent over there. No guns but they are over there knifing each other to no end.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5251268/london-stabbings-rise-knife-crime-statistics-uk/

-"There were 37,443 recorded knife offences and 6,694 recorded gun offences in the year up to September 2017.
-"In London the problem was even more pronounced than the rest of the country, with 12,980 knife crimes taking place in the capital - 2,452 more than the equivalent year."
-"Knife crime across the country has risen by a staggering 21 per cent in the 12 months to September 2017, according to quarterly figures released by the Office of National Statistics."

Bottom line is, when a human wants to cause serious injury or death to another, they will use the most lethal tool available at their disposal, at the moment.

 

[getback]

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If you're obsessed with guns, you come from a family of pigs, you minimize the death of 400 people in your defense of a gun and you talk about how shooter's will adapt to active shooter situation specifically like you have insider knowledge....then you say "oh well" if you had to kill a burglar

Yeah you probably a violent dude

 

[deleted]

I will never understand the mentality that there must be a certain quota of saved lives that has to be met before reform is worthwhile

Any injury or loss of life that's prevented sounds good to me

 

[sfc415]

I will never understand the mentality that there must be a certain quota of saved lives that has to be met before reform is worthwhile

Texting while driving, DUIs,tornados, suicides, heart disease, and prescription pills have been brought up as deflections so far. I'm curious to see what the next one is.

Fun fact though: all of those issues have laws, media campaigns, treatments,awareness programs, preparations, etc. to reduce the number of lives lost, so even the "But what about____? " doesn't make sense.

 

[tekthemaestro]

I will never understand the mentality that there must be a certain quota of saved lives that has to be met before reform is worthwhile

Any injury or loss of life that's prevented sounds good to me

probably because you fundamentally misunderstand what you're reading. "[ ... ] has to be met before reform is worthwhile" nobody, at least in this thread, has cited other leading causes of death among the youth as an argument against reform. only full out bans. everyone, ad nauseam, has stated theyre FOR reform.

 

[hand2handking]

is a ban considered reform?

 

[getback]

Bottom line is, when a human wants to cause serious injury or death to another, they will use the most lethal tool available at their disposal, at the moment.

Agreed. That's why I co-sign the individual who commits the offense as being the issue initially, and then the gun. But to address the individual is to address the culture. Ours is the worst, dating back to its inception. Changing American culture is raking leaves on windy day. There's simply too much division.

At least attempting to chip away at the mental health and gun elements could reduce some of the epidemic if we aggressively approach other social issues (income inequality, health care, etc).

We need a wrap around approach if we want any chance at a culture shift. That takes leadership though.

 

[T Lo Sweater]

People been boycotting the companies that sponsor the nra

A few have actually dropped out

 

[jking0821]

So regardless of what the number 1 blame or number 2 blame is or what ever you think the larger issue is....it doesn't seem like anyone is averse to stricter gun laws. Like "oh that isn't solving the root cause" or "oh that is not THE answer". Well it very well could help, so why would you be a averse to it? And no one is saying take guns away from responsible gun owners. But if you really wanted to own an AR-15 why wouldn't you take a safety course and get the gun registered to you and claim responsibility for any harm the gun provides or else you must report it lost or stolen because it will be tied to your drivers license.

 

[T Lo Sweater]

So regardless of what the number 1 blame or number 2 blame is or what ever you think the larger issue is....it doesn't seem like anyone is averse to stricter gun laws. Like "oh that isn't solving the root cause" or "oh that is not THE answer". Well it very well could help, so why would you be a averse to it? And no one is saying take guns away from responsible gun owners. But if you really wanted to own an AR-15 why wouldn't you take a safety course and get the gun registered to you and claim responsibility for any harm the gun provides or else you must report it lost or stolen because it will be tied to your drivers license.

Look how cops are trained and people in the military. They use ars and they are highly trained

Why can’t the same be said for civilians!

 

[gry60]

you asking for the positive of gun ownership means ur asking why anyone needs to own ANY gun at all.

I said the positives of gun ownership do not outweigh the negatives. That is very, very, very from saying that there aren't positives to owning guns (hunting, which my reply mentioned too).

This is why I am pretty harsh on gun advocates. They accuse others of doing what they are actually doing: not listening to the opposition and never reevaluating their position (that's not you TEK, as you have offered solutions that I could agree with).

 

[deleted]

probably because you fundamentally misunderstand what you're reading. "[ ... ] has to be met before reform is worthwhile" nobody, at least in this thread, has cited other leading causes of death among the youth as an argument against reform. only full out bans. everyone, ad nauseam, has stated theyre FOR reform.

Since you felt like you needed to attack my comprehension skills, why don't you show me where gry60 was calling for a full out ban?

 

[getback]

Gun advocates, almost by nature, assume that gun reform proponents are demanding a complete ban

It's a pretty amusing phenomenon. Happens like clockwork.

 

[trueprada]

 

[getback]

A caller in Massachusetts told Florida authorities in November that Nikolas Cruz was a “school shooter in the making,’’ according to records from the Broward County sheriff’s office.