Florida School Shooting, Over 20 Casualties

[tekthemaestro]

I said the positives of gun ownership do not outweigh the negatives. That is very, very, very from saying that there aren't positives to owning guns (hunting, which my reply mentioned too).

This is why I am pretty harsh on gun advocates. They accuse others of doing what they are actually doing: not listening to the opposition and never reevaluating their position (that's not you TEK, as you have offered solutions that I could agree with).

Since you felt like you needed to attack my comprehension skills, why don't you show me where gry60 was calling for a full out ban?

correct me if im wrong but did i not QUOTE you then explain your misconception? why feel attacked? you really did talk about something nobody in the thread is mentioning. as for specifically gry60, you misunderstood AGAIN.

"you asking for the positive of gun ownership means ur asking why anyone needs to own ANY gun at all. including handguns. is that where u stand? second, the statement about not needing a firearm for food.... so in your mind if you're not a hunter/gatherer you dont need a gun? what kinda dumb*** opinion is that?"

nowhere in there do i say hes calling for a ban. but to ask

"you're still having trouble proving how the positives of gun ownership outweigh the negatives, especially since it's very likely that you are part of the 90% of the US population who doesn't need a firearm to get their food."

is why i ASKED "so in your mind if you're not a hunter/gatherer you dont need a gun?" according to HIS statement, negatives outweigh the positives of gun ownership. because he didnt say ARs or RIFLES, but instead GUN ownership in general, hes talking about ALL GUNS. whether that was intentional or not. its just how english works. he added the qualifier of not being a part of those who need a gun for their food. causing me to ask, so in his mind those are the only people who need guns? people who hunt for food?

so please. tell me where I misunderstood your or his stance.

 

[gry60]

tekthemaestro

IMO, if you do not hunt for a living, or if you do not live in an area where the closest police station is the highway cops, you really don't NEED a gun. That doesn't mean that you can't want one.

My position is based on the general idea that unlike many things that could be considered weapons, guns have very little purpose outside of shooting things and living creatures. You can't cut a tree with a gun (you can with a hatchet); you can't cut grass and clean up your yard with a gun (you can with a machete); you can't use your gun as a makeshift screwdriver (you can with a knife); a gun can't drive you from point A to point B; you don't read a gun; you don't get healed with a gun.

Guns are made to kill; that is their primary purpose; that's why police officers also carry tasers and aim at center mass. They don't deploy bulletproof shields, and they don't necessarily intimidate someone hell-bent on inflicting harm, especially if that person can catch you slipping. Their presence in situations of conflict rarely decreases the likelihood of deescalation.

So you may want them, but in most cases, you don't need them.

Let me also add that in countries where guns are "banned" it's almost never a full ban; just heavy restrictions on the kinds of weapons commercially available and the modifications that can be done to them. That is what I would like to see here because it works.

 

[shogun]

Gun advocates, almost by nature, assume that gun reform proponents are demanding a complete ban

It's a pretty amusing phenomenon. Happens like clockwork.

That orange idiot was onstage at cpac pandering to those conservative republican idiots. Claimed democrats want to take away their rights, tax cuts and the 2nd amendment. Then they cheered that they feared losing their guns the most.

 

[MalcolmNewton]

 

[deleted]

correct me if im wrong but did i not QUOTE you then explain your misconception? why feel attacked? you really did talk about something nobody in the thread is mentioning.

There was no misconception on my part.

Believe it or not, the discussion is bigger than this thread and it is an incontrovertible fact that "it won't save everyone, so what's the point?" is a common deflection used by gun nuts who oppose any reform.

You took personal offense to a general statement. I think there's an old saying about that.

 

[AL Andretti]

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[Thats My Word]

Donald says that officer trained his entire life as an officer, but froze up when it mattered, yet dude wants to see teachers, most probably never touched a gun, to be armed?

 

[ksteezy]

He also said a lot of these teachers would be highly trained Marines that retired...didn’t know Marines went on to teach 3rd graders...

 

[QU!K]

"But texting and driving "
"But suicide "



I hope it doesn't take your kid being one of the 400 a year for you to change your mind.

Crazy people exist all over the world, what separates America from other countries is accessibility to guns.

This is obviously why the US leads the world in mass shootings

Are most of these from handguns? Yes.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't ban semi automatic rifles

I'm not calling for a ban to all guns, just semi automatic rifles

Even though they will only save a measly 400 lives a year

 

[QU!K]

http://time.com/5172852/trump-guns-teachers-nra/

 

[DadNboujee]

He also said a lot of these teachers would be highly trained Marines that retired...didn’t know Marines went on to teach 3rd graders...

 

[QU!K]

Not arguing against getting U.S guns under control but, the UK may not be as violent as the U.S, but they are still violent over there. No guns but they are over there knifing each other to no end.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5251268/london-stabbings-rise-knife-crime-statistics-uk/

-"There were 37,443 recorded knife offences and 6,694 recorded gun offences in the year up to September 2017.
-"In London the problem was even more pronounced than the rest of the country, with 12,980 knife crimes taking place in the capital - 2,452 more than the equivalent year."
-"Knife crime across the country has risen by a staggering 21 per cent in the 12 months to September 2017, according to quarterly figures released by the Office of National Statistics."

Bottom line is, when a human wants to cause serious injury or death to another, they will use the most lethal tool available at their disposal, at the moment.

Do you know if the UK has a problem with mass knifings? What's the highest body count that's happened in such events?

 

[QU!K]

 

[mplsdunk]

He also said a lot of these teachers would be highly trained Marines that retired...didn’t know Marines went on to teach 3rd graders...

Dude is insane. Obviously he’s never met a marine with bad ptsd. That’s the last person I’d want with guns around kids.

I own guns and carry one from time to time at work. I’ve had naked crack heads try and break into my house and I drive a truck and sometimes I have to sleep in some very sketchy areas and don’t have a choice. I’m not some right wing nra supporting clown. I don’t like either of those groups.

The fact of the matter is police don’t come to my neighborhood nor would I call them anyways because they’d probably shoot me for no reason.

Basically I like shooting clays with my shotgun and got a pistol for protection. I don’t know what the solution is, it would be nice if guns were never invented I guess but I feel like they’re here to stay.

 

[QU!K]

Dude is insane. Obviously he’s never met a marine with bad ptsd. That’s the last person I’d want with guns around kids.

I own guns and carry one from time to time at work. I’ve had naked crack heads try and break into my house and I drive a truck and sometimes I have to sleep in some very sketchy areas and don’t have a choice. I’m not some right wing nra supporting clown. I don’t like either of those groups.

The fact of the matter is police don’t come to my neighborhood nor would I call them anyways because they’d probably shoot me for no reason.

Basically I like shooting clays with my shotgun and got a pistol for protection. I don’t know what the solution is, it would be nice if guns were never invented I guess but I feel like they’re here to stay.

At least you don't tote an AR-15

 

[mplsdunk]

Nah, that’s weird.

Those dudes are idiots walking around with an ar and start reciting the constitution when the cops roll up on them.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

 

[DadNboujee]

I guess the solution is to ban schools.

 

[mplsdunk]

Ban schools and I’ll be selling textbooks for the low and running an education trap house.

 

[ksteezy]

Nah just ban kids....to save guns.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

 

[hipstermike]

Donald says that officer trained his entire life as an officer, but froze up when it mattered, yet dude wants to see teachers, most probably never touched a gun, to be armed?

And that’s coming from someone who dodged the draft, you know, the presidents bone spurs

But that didn’t stop him from being in the WWE

 

[hipstermike]

Nah, that’s weird.

Those dudes are idiots walking around with an ar and start reciting the constitution when the cops roll up on them.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

But they are white so you know, kill 20 still don’t get shot up

 

[DCAllAfrican]

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I don't fault him for being scared. Officer or not.

He didn't know how many gunmen were in there AND he was alone? (Cop).

Nah, I don't fault him for not going in solo

 

[ksteezy]

Question...in an open carry state, if cops draw on you while you are not breaking ANY law, can you draw on them and shoot them and claim self defense?

 

[QU!K]

Question...in an open carry state, if cops draw on you while you are not breaking ANY law, can you draw on them and shoot them and claim self defense?

Probably be dead before you find out. Especially if you're Black.