I WANT TO ENCOURAGE A MORE CONSTRUCTIVE DISCUSSION OVER RACE RELATIONS ON NT

[Xennial]

See how ridiculous it starts to sound? in thei ethnocentric world light skin black people exist but dark skinned latinos dont.

And their arguing a point da census made moot.

 

[ninjahood]

This is exactly what America does to latinos.

Something we don't do to ourselves.

Cmon man.

You know there is a color chart and colorism in Latin America . You'd be lying if you said otherwise.

There you go assuming American racial politics is imposed outside its borders..

 

[comptonprince]

Yasiel Puig Black?

 

[Xennial]

 
Yasiel Puig Black?

 

[ksteezy]

What a waste of time this thread is

 

[filthyjiujitsu]

So why is he black and ninjahood isn't? I thought you were rejecting the concept of race?

Another deflection... I'll engage again..
I still do reject the concept but I'm also a realist and understand not everyone goes by the same rules. I can still use critical thinking. I am trying to conceptualize the different views in this thread. NT is taking it to prepostrous levels I didn't think we're possible. Some dude said Arod is black. Dominicans are a mix of wide spectrums (Let's leave it at that cause the history of how they mixed can be googled). At what point do we not see how silly, pointing out a persons skin color for recruitment is.

 

[ninjahood]

What a waste of time this thread is

This.

At da end of da day, me and ksteezy gonna to continue referring to ourselves as latino/hispanic, and when da census comes in 2020 da appropriate box will be checked.

Da end.

 

[filthyjiujitsu]

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[doctor love]

We're all the human race. Science proves it yet we dont give a **** about that.

Not quite
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[h1]Confirmed: All non-African people are part Neanderthal[/h1]
The evidence has been mounting for years that early humans and Neanderthals interbred, but now it's pretty much a certainty. Part of the X chromosome found in people from outside Africa originally comes from our Neanderthal cousins.

It's kind of amazing to think that, as recently as just a few years ago, the scientific consensus was that humans and Neanderthals were completely separate species and probably didn't interbreed. Since then, a ton of new evidence has come to light to change that position, and now new research from Damian Labuda of the University of Montreal more or less completes this big reversal.

Neanderthals, one of the last extant hominid species other than our own, left Africa somewhere between 400,000 and 800,000 years ago and settled mostly in Europe until they went extinct 30,000 years ago. Early modern humans left Africa about 80,000 to 50,000 years ago, meaning they overlapped with Neanderthals in time and place for at least 20,000 years. On an evolutionary time scale, that's not a ton of time, but could it be enough to leave lasting evidence of human/Neanderthal interbreeding?

According to Dr. Labuda, the answer is an emphatic "yes." Back in the early '00s, he and his team had identified a particular piece of DNA in the human X chromosome that seemed out of place with everything else, and they wondered whether it might have originated from a non-human source.

That answer came with the first sequencing of the Neanderthal genome last year. Dr. Labuda compared 6,000 chromosomes from all over the world to the corresponding part of the Neanderthal sequence. With the exception of people from sub-Saharan Africa - whose ancestors would have been unlikely to come into contact with Neanderthals, since their territories didn't overlap - every chromosome featured evidence of the Neanderthal sequence.

That even includes particularly far-flung groups of humans like native Australians, who are thought to have reached the island continent by as far back as 40,000 years ago. For that sequence to show up even in such geographically isolated groups, it suggests that there was a lot of interbreeding between the two hominid species, and that pretty much all ancient humans that left Africa passed through Neanderthal territory and had close interaction (read: a ton of sex) with their evolutionary cousins.

Here are some reactions from other scientists to Dr. Labuda's breakthrough:

Dr. Nick Patterson, MIT and Harvard:

"There is little doubt that this haplotype is present because of mating with our ancestors and Neanderthals. This is a very nice result, and further analysis may help determine more details."

Dr. David Reich, Harvard Medical School:

"Dr. Labuda and his colleagues were the first to identify a genetic variation in non-Africans that was likely to have come from an archaic population. This was done entirely without the Neanderthal genome sequence, but in light of the Neanderthal sequence, it is now clear that they were absolutely right!"

Via Molecular Biology and Evolution.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/5822357/confirmed-all-non-african-people-are-part-neanderthal

 

[Xennial]

Census? American Politics?  none of those have anything to do with race. 

Caucasoids are Aryans, Hamites, Semites

Mongoloids are northern Mongolian, Chinese and Indo-Chinese, Japanese and Korean, Tibetan, Malayan, Polynesian, Maori, Micronesian, Eskimo, American Indian

Negroids are African, Hottentots, Melanesians/Papua, “Negrito”, Australian Aborigine, Dravidians, Sinhalese

 

[calibeebee]

See how ridiculous it starts to sound? in thei ethnocentric world light skin black people exist but dark skinned latinos dont.


And their arguing a point da census made moot.

Dark skin anything is not a race. It's dark skin. Race is not real. Evolutionary trait passed down yes. But designating a race based on one evolutionary trait, compared to the millions of other evolutionary traits is what makes race a social construct.

People with red hair are not considered a race. Blue eyed people are not considered a race. Tall peopl, not a race. But dark skin? Yep, lets classify it

 

[filthyjiujitsu]

Not quite

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http://io9.gizmodo.com/5822357/confirmed-all-non-african-people-are-part-neanderthal

That's cool but neanderthals are still the human race.

 

[MVP]

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Sam Sosa

 

[comptonprince]

Sam Sosa

U see the Perm tho 

 

[doctor love]

That's cool but neanderthals are still the human race.

No...they weren't. They were literally a different species.
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[h1]Were Neanderthals a sub-species of modern humans? New research says no[/h1]
In an extensive, multi-institution study led by SUNY Downstate Medical Center, researchers have identified new evidence supporting the growing belief that Neanderthals were a distinct species separate from modern humans (Homo sapiens), and not a subspecies of modern humans.

The study looked at the entire nasal complex of Neanderthals and involved researchers with diverse academic backgrounds. Supported by funding from the National Science Foundation and the National Institutes of Health, the research also indicates that the Neanderthal nasal complex was not adaptively inferior to that of modern humans, and that the Neanderthals' extinction was likely due to competition from modern humans and not an inability of the Neanderthal nose to process a colder and drier climate.

Samuel Márquez, PhD, associate professor and co-discipline director of gross anatomy in SUNY Downstate's Department of Cell Biology, and his team of specialists published their findings on the Neanderthal nasal complex in the November issue of The Anatomical Record, which is part of a special issue on The Vertebrate Nose: Evolution, Structure, and Function (now online).

They argue that studies of the Neanderthal nose, which have spanned over a century and a half, have been approaching this anatomical enigma from the wrong perspective. Previous work has compared Neanderthal nasal dimensions to modern human populations such as the Inuit and modern Europeans, whose nasal complexes are adapted to cold and temperate climates.

However, the current study joins a growing body of evidence that the upper respiratory tracts of this extinct group functioned via a different set of rules as a result of a separate evolutionary history and overall cranial bauplan (bodyplan), resulting in a mosaic of features not found among any population of Homo sapiens. Thus Dr. Márquez and his team of paleoanthropologists, comparative anatomists, and an otolaryngologist have contributed to the understanding of two of the most controversial topics in paleoanthropology - were Neanderthals a different species from modern humans and which aspects of their cranial morphology evolved as adaptations to cold stress.

"The strategy was to have a comprehensive examination of the nasal region of diverse modern human population groups and then compare the data with the fossil evidence. We used traditional morphometrics, geometric morphometric methodology based on 3D coordinate data, and CT imaging," Dr. Márquez explained.

Anthony S. Pagano, PhD, anatomy instructor at NYU Langone Medical Center, a co-author, traveled to many European museums carrying a microscribe digitizer, the instrument used to collect 3D coordinate data from the fossils studied in this work, as spatial information may be missed using traditional morphometric methods. "We interpreted our findings using the different strengths of the team members," Dr. Márquez said, "so that we can have a 'feel' for where these Neanderthals may lie along the modern human spectrum."

Co-author William Lawson, MD, DDS, vice-chair and the Eugen Grabscheid research professor of otolaryngology and director of the Paleorhinology Laboratory of the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, notes that the external nasal aperture of the Neanderthals approximates some modern human populations but that their midfacial prognathism (protrusion of the midface) is startlingly different. That difference is one of a number of Neanderthal nasal traits suggesting an evolutionary development distinct from that of modern humans. Dr. Lawson's conclusion is predicated upon nearly four decades of clinical practice, in which he has seen over 7,000 patients representing a rich diversity of human nasal anatomy.

Distinguished Professor Jeffrey T. Laitman, PhD, also of the Icahn School of Medicine and director of the Center for Anatomy and Functional Morphology, and Eric Delson, PhD, director of the New York Consortium in Evolutionary Primatology or NYCEP, are also co-authors and are seasoned paleoanthropologists, each approaching their fifth decade of studying Neanderthals. Dr. Delson has published on various aspects of human evolution since the early 1970's.

Dr. Laitman states that this article is a significant contribution to the question of Neanderthal cold adaptation in the nasal region, especially in its identification of a different mosaic of features than those of cold-adapted modern humans. Dr. Laitman's body of work has shown that there are clear differences in the vocal tract proportions of these fossil humans when compared to modern humans. This current contribution has now identified potentially species-level differences in nasal structure and function.

Dr. Laitman said, "The strength of this new research lies in its taking the totality of the Neanderthal nasal complex into account, rather than looking at a single feature. By looking at the complete morphological pattern, we can conclude that Neanderthals are our close relatives, but they are not us."

Ian Tattersall, PhD, emeritus curator of the Division of Anthropology at the American Museum of Natural History, an expert on Neanderthal anatomy and functional morphology who did not participate in this study, stated, "Márquez and colleagues have carried out a most provocative and intriguing investigation of a very significant complex in the Neanderthal skull that has all too frequently been overlooked." Dr. Tattersall hopes that "with luck, this research will stimulate future research demonstrating once and for all that Homo neanderthalensis deserves a distinctive identity of its own."

 Explore further:  Sunlight adaptation region of Neanderthal genome found in up to 65 percent of modern East Asian population

More information:  The article in The Anatomical Record  is entitled, "The Nasal Complex of Neanderthals: An Entry Portal to their Place in Human Ancestry." It is available online at: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.23040/full  

Journal reference:  The Anatomical Record    

Provided by:  SUNY Downstate Medical Center

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-11-neanderthals-sub-species-modern-humans.html#jCp

 

[wavycrocket]

There you go assuming American racial politics is imposed outside its borders..

I'm not assuming fam. It's not the exact same...but you know there is colorism in those countries etc.




2nd video...Black in Latin America came out about 5 years ago on CNN. Great watch. Idk how Columbian and Dominican dudes are in this thread acting like colorism doesn't exist in Latin America.

I'm schleep though

 

[ksteezy]

Wait you didn't answer my question at all. Why is Jamie Fox black and ninjahood is not? People of African descent in America come from a mix of wide spectrums, that isn't unique to Latinos. So tell me again why is Jamie more "African" and "Black" than ninjahood?

My God fam....NINJAHOOD is black because of his roots, who's gonna refute that!?....the man identifies as Latino, no other Latino will have an issue identifying him as a Latino, he is LATINO above else, whites don't care, Asians done care, other Latinos don't have a problem with him claimin Latino, why are blacks so hell bent on him self-identifying as black????? Ya wanna split up Latinos and group them by colors now....man..

 

[comptonprince]

Is Trevor Ariza Black?

Gilbert Arenas?

Mark Jackson?

 

[doctor love]

I never understood why ppl care so much about Ninjahood. He can call himself green if he wants...at the end of the day he's still a ***** to 9/10 white ppl.

 

[ksteezy]

Yea we understand that race is s construct, but why are latinos like steezy calling other people what they say isn't real while rejecting it themselves?



Race is loosely based on physical features (skin color, hair texture, body/facial structure-keyword is loosely) plus continent of ancestral origin.... it isn't just skin color, otherwise many Indians would be considered "black".

Wait you don't identify as black?....say the word fam and I will identify you as you wish....I thought you guys took pride in bein black the same we take pride in being Latino....correct me if I'm wrong

 

[comptonprince]

Im half Cambodian/Black I just say Im Black tho...

 

[tr1ll]

Is Jesus black?

 

[Mark Antony]

Wait you didn't answer my question at all. Why is Jamie Fox black and ninjahood is not? People of African descent in America come from a mix of wide spectrums, that isn't unique to Latinos. So tell me again why is Jamie more "African" and "Black" than ninjahood?

My God fam....NINJAHOOD is black because of his roots, who's gonna refute that!?....the man identifies as Latino, no other Latino will have an issue identifying him as a Latino, he is LATINO above else, whites don't care, Asians done care, other Latinos don't have a problem with him claimin Latino, why are blacks so hell bent on him self-identifying as black????? Ya wanna split up Latinos and group them by colors now....man..

Huh? the **** are ya'll even talking about in here now?

 

[comptonprince]

Is Jesus black?

 

[doctor love]

Is Jesus black?

Ray Allen identifies as a black person...yes.