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NBA 2K11 Official Thread (Patch Put for PS3 & XBOX 360)
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im surprised how crappy the demo looks honestly. last years game was solid.
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Elite just got ethered.Originally Posted by AdobeCS4
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Originally Posted by Drizzyd
Elite just got ethered.Originally Posted by AdobeCS4
it really did, sad to say....
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Gasol is rim level going for that rebound. The crazy vertical for the bigs going for rebounds and block shots really does stick out like a sore thumb. I was thinking once I get the game I would turn down the vertical ratings for all the bigs, but I don't think it's going to help. Normally when dunking and shooting the ball, the vertical of the bigs looks fine. It's just that when they rebound/block shot, it is as though it's already predetermined that they're getting the rebound/block shot (and the animation complies) even if it's way out of their vicinity. This didn't happen much (if at all) in 2K10. I really wish they had just stuck with the rebounding dynamics of 2K10. Hopefully a patch can fix this problem of bigs flying around rebounding and blocking shots that are way out of their area.
I have already started calculating verticals (based on DraftExpress measurements and personal knowledge) so I definitely will be editing those as soon as I get the game.
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Originally Posted by AdobeCS4
Elite may as well just promote their game with this picture
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Fellas, I know Elite doesn't look too great but can we talk about 2K please and not how bad Elite is? I thought that was what the Elite thread was created for. Not trying to tell anyone what to do but the last few pages have been about how poor Elite is. You can only laugh at the same thing for so long.
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Originally Posted by AdobeCS4
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bynum is literally jesus in the game. just look @ that free throw line dunk
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This.
BTW, The Association Insight is suppose to drop sometime later today.
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My preliminary list for vertical adjustments. I don't know who cares but I know I have to do work since 2K Insider can't be trusted.
The formula used (created by 500bloc from OS) is as follows: =(Max Vert * 4)-75 ( Info gathered from - http://www.draftexpress.c...p;source=All&sort=12 )
Of course I had to make some personal calls. If someone has endured serious injuries I take some points away. If someone just tested poorly and we all know they are a great athlete, I will adjust accordingly. Just trying to make the game as realistic as possible.
Some folks didn't test so I just eyeballed them.
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The formula used (created by 500bloc from OS) is as follows: =(Max Vert * 4)-75 ( Info gathered from - http://www.draftexpress.c...p;source=All&sort=12 )
Of course I had to make some personal calls. If someone has endured serious injuries I take some points away. If someone just tested poorly and we all know they are a great athlete, I will adjust accordingly. Just trying to make the game as realistic as possible.
Some folks didn't test so I just eyeballed them.
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Association
By: 2K Admin Ron | Wednesday September 22 2010
Hi everyone!
Erick Boenisch, Producer for NBA 2K11, back once again. If you missed my Insights on MJ: Creating A Legend and My Player, make sure and give those a read. Today I am here to talk about the improvements we have made to The Association. I know you guys and girls have been waiting patiently for this one. We have a LOT of ground to cover here as The Association has seen a lot of improvements, so buckle up!
Under-The-Hood Brains
Over the past few years, we have implemented some very successful features in NBA.com, Player Roles, Player Ambitions, Player Morale, Player Personalities, and so on. I feel like these additions have defined the 2K Association experience. Moving forward, I would like The Association to be defined by something completely different, and that’s the smartest AI of any franchise mode across all sports titles.
To achieve this goal, the main focus for us this year has been to completely re-write the underlying logic that drives the mode, along with adding new systems that will help the AI to make the smartest decisions possible at all times. Every time the CPU makes a move, they are making it for a very precise reason. It may not be completely evident to you at first as they often think two, three, even four steps ahead, but they are always thinking, always assessing. They have brains this year folks; here is how we did it…
Team Building & States
The core system that has been added to the AI this year is one called Team Building. This system actually oversees the other systems (which I’ll detail below). As the name implies, this system is responsible for building the strongest team possible with respect to the style employed by the coaching staff. The first step in building a successful team is identifying what the team’s current goals are. This year, our AI classifies a team into one of the following four Team States:
- Contending: This is a team that has the pieces to win the title. They won’t be overly active on the market as they don’t want to disrupt their chemistry, but they certainly won’t let an advantageous trade slip by should one present itself. When you think Contending team, think the Lakers.
- Buying: This is a team that is a step below the contending teams, but is only a solid acquisition or two away from being able to take that next step. The AI will actively pursue an upgrade to any deficiencies in its starting lineup and/or the first few players off the bench. If the piece is a perfect fit, the team will often mortgage the future to get that player. When you think Buying team, think the Blazers.
- Selling: This is a team whose window has closed and they are clearly trying to move their aging/bad contracts for youth/picks. It’s not common for a team to be in this state long in our game, or in the real NBA. When it happens though, it’s best to strike while the iron is hot. When you think Selling team, think what the Wizards did last season or what the Celtics and Spurs will be doing in approximately 12-24 months from now. Sorry Celtics and Spurs fans. Reality is coming soon…
- Rebuilding: A large portion of the NBA teams tend to live in this state for long periods of time. This is seen in our game as well. Rebuilding teams are, simply put, looking to upgrade their rosters. They are looking to build through the draft, through free agency, and through trades. Rebuilding teams aren’t interested in your aging, overpriced 35-year old guard. If you are going to offer one up to a rebuilding team, they are going to value him quite low (unless you pair a nice draft pick alongside him), meaning you’ll be getting pennies on the dollar for him. When you think Rebuilding teams, think the Timberwolves, Wizards, Kings, etc.
Teams are very cognizant of what state they are currently in, and they will update their state as their rosters change. The entire logic for the mode this year is designed around this logic model, and its implementation has paid off in spades. You’ll see that as we move through the rest of the logic systems.
Roster Building
Beyond the Team States, our new Roster Building system is very much aware of the current roster. In previous versions of NBA 2K, it wasn’t uncommon for a team like the Hornets to go out and sign a top-flight point guard in free agency. With Chris Paul and Darren Collison on-board, that makes no sense…whatsoever. In NBA 2K11, the CPU is smart enough to know that the Hornets should be upgrading the wing positions ideally, or at the very least, their bench.
Teams are visibly different in their approach to Roster Building, and this all ties back to the head coach and the types of offense and defense he runs. Simply put, teams tend towards players that fit their play style. These play styles are spread out across Tempo (half court vs. transition), Team Focus (offense vs. defense), Focal Points (forwards vs. guards), Player Style (skill players vs. athletic players), and Shot Preference (inside vs. outside). The exciting thing about this new system is that you will see teams with unique styles emerge as The Association plays out; it will no longer just be a hodge-podge of players thrown together onto a team. Heck, you can see this yourself early on this year by simply running a fantasy draft and noting the styles of players drafted to each team.
NBA.com receives a facelift for NBA 2K11, in addition to a number of upgrades, that makes this your one-shop stop for any new pertaining to your Association.p/i]
Player Valuation
With Team States and Roster Building out of the way, our next step was to replace the Player Valuation system. After all, players are going to have different values to different teams now with the Roster Building system. The Player Valuation system is responsible for, as the name implies, valuing the players. This includes the AI that is used to determine how teams value their own players based on the team’s play style, how much players ask for in free agency, and how much they are willing to accept.
In previous versions of the game, it wasn’t uncommon to see middle-tier players asking for max contracts, or at the very least, contracts much higher than their actual worth would indicate. With this new system, player salaries should be a lot more in-line with their actual worth.
One thing to always consider though is that some players perceive their skills to be much greater than their worth (this is something NBA 2K11 models). We see this every year in the real NBA where teams feel pressured to make a signing to keep their fans and ownership happy. Does anyone remember the Mavericks splashing $30+M for Desagana Diop a few years back? Point being, sometimes teams overpay to get their guy. It’s a part of the business, which we feel makes it important to make it a part of this game.
Trading Logic
With Player Valuation complete, replacing the Trading Logic system was the obvious next step in our revamp of the under-the-hood AI systems. The first thing we did to help teams was to help them identify who they should and shouldn’t keep on their teams. Much of this is handled by the Roster Building system described above, but another safeguard that was used in the game is the addition of a new ‘Player Role’, called the ‘Core’ role.
Core players are guys like Kobe, Wade, LeBron, D. Howard, etc. These are guys that are so valuable to their team, that a trade involving one of these players is incredibly unlikely. I’m not here to tell you that you can no longer trade for these players, but I can tell you the CPU will be much, much stingier in parting with a Core player. In fact, they’ll demand one in return. Don’t expect to package two 82-rated players and grab a Core player in return. Not happening this year.
Beyond the addition of the Core role, the system now features new logic that can be best described as, “do I really need this player?
By: 2K Admin Ron | Wednesday September 22 2010
Hi everyone!
Erick Boenisch, Producer for NBA 2K11, back once again. If you missed my Insights on MJ: Creating A Legend and My Player, make sure and give those a read. Today I am here to talk about the improvements we have made to The Association. I know you guys and girls have been waiting patiently for this one. We have a LOT of ground to cover here as The Association has seen a lot of improvements, so buckle up!
Under-The-Hood Brains
Over the past few years, we have implemented some very successful features in NBA.com, Player Roles, Player Ambitions, Player Morale, Player Personalities, and so on. I feel like these additions have defined the 2K Association experience. Moving forward, I would like The Association to be defined by something completely different, and that’s the smartest AI of any franchise mode across all sports titles.
To achieve this goal, the main focus for us this year has been to completely re-write the underlying logic that drives the mode, along with adding new systems that will help the AI to make the smartest decisions possible at all times. Every time the CPU makes a move, they are making it for a very precise reason. It may not be completely evident to you at first as they often think two, three, even four steps ahead, but they are always thinking, always assessing. They have brains this year folks; here is how we did it…
Team Building & States
The core system that has been added to the AI this year is one called Team Building. This system actually oversees the other systems (which I’ll detail below). As the name implies, this system is responsible for building the strongest team possible with respect to the style employed by the coaching staff. The first step in building a successful team is identifying what the team’s current goals are. This year, our AI classifies a team into one of the following four Team States:
- Contending: This is a team that has the pieces to win the title. They won’t be overly active on the market as they don’t want to disrupt their chemistry, but they certainly won’t let an advantageous trade slip by should one present itself. When you think Contending team, think the Lakers.
- Buying: This is a team that is a step below the contending teams, but is only a solid acquisition or two away from being able to take that next step. The AI will actively pursue an upgrade to any deficiencies in its starting lineup and/or the first few players off the bench. If the piece is a perfect fit, the team will often mortgage the future to get that player. When you think Buying team, think the Blazers.
- Selling: This is a team whose window has closed and they are clearly trying to move their aging/bad contracts for youth/picks. It’s not common for a team to be in this state long in our game, or in the real NBA. When it happens though, it’s best to strike while the iron is hot. When you think Selling team, think what the Wizards did last season or what the Celtics and Spurs will be doing in approximately 12-24 months from now. Sorry Celtics and Spurs fans. Reality is coming soon…
- Rebuilding: A large portion of the NBA teams tend to live in this state for long periods of time. This is seen in our game as well. Rebuilding teams are, simply put, looking to upgrade their rosters. They are looking to build through the draft, through free agency, and through trades. Rebuilding teams aren’t interested in your aging, overpriced 35-year old guard. If you are going to offer one up to a rebuilding team, they are going to value him quite low (unless you pair a nice draft pick alongside him), meaning you’ll be getting pennies on the dollar for him. When you think Rebuilding teams, think the Timberwolves, Wizards, Kings, etc.
Teams are very cognizant of what state they are currently in, and they will update their state as their rosters change. The entire logic for the mode this year is designed around this logic model, and its implementation has paid off in spades. You’ll see that as we move through the rest of the logic systems.
Roster Building
Beyond the Team States, our new Roster Building system is very much aware of the current roster. In previous versions of NBA 2K, it wasn’t uncommon for a team like the Hornets to go out and sign a top-flight point guard in free agency. With Chris Paul and Darren Collison on-board, that makes no sense…whatsoever. In NBA 2K11, the CPU is smart enough to know that the Hornets should be upgrading the wing positions ideally, or at the very least, their bench.
Teams are visibly different in their approach to Roster Building, and this all ties back to the head coach and the types of offense and defense he runs. Simply put, teams tend towards players that fit their play style. These play styles are spread out across Tempo (half court vs. transition), Team Focus (offense vs. defense), Focal Points (forwards vs. guards), Player Style (skill players vs. athletic players), and Shot Preference (inside vs. outside). The exciting thing about this new system is that you will see teams with unique styles emerge as The Association plays out; it will no longer just be a hodge-podge of players thrown together onto a team. Heck, you can see this yourself early on this year by simply running a fantasy draft and noting the styles of players drafted to each team.
NBA.com receives a facelift for NBA 2K11, in addition to a number of upgrades, that makes this your one-shop stop for any new pertaining to your Association.p/i]
Player Valuation
With Team States and Roster Building out of the way, our next step was to replace the Player Valuation system. After all, players are going to have different values to different teams now with the Roster Building system. The Player Valuation system is responsible for, as the name implies, valuing the players. This includes the AI that is used to determine how teams value their own players based on the team’s play style, how much players ask for in free agency, and how much they are willing to accept.
In previous versions of the game, it wasn’t uncommon to see middle-tier players asking for max contracts, or at the very least, contracts much higher than their actual worth would indicate. With this new system, player salaries should be a lot more in-line with their actual worth.
One thing to always consider though is that some players perceive their skills to be much greater than their worth (this is something NBA 2K11 models). We see this every year in the real NBA where teams feel pressured to make a signing to keep their fans and ownership happy. Does anyone remember the Mavericks splashing $30+M for Desagana Diop a few years back? Point being, sometimes teams overpay to get their guy. It’s a part of the business, which we feel makes it important to make it a part of this game.
Trading Logic
With Player Valuation complete, replacing the Trading Logic system was the obvious next step in our revamp of the under-the-hood AI systems. The first thing we did to help teams was to help them identify who they should and shouldn’t keep on their teams. Much of this is handled by the Roster Building system described above, but another safeguard that was used in the game is the addition of a new ‘Player Role’, called the ‘Core’ role.
Core players are guys like Kobe, Wade, LeBron, D. Howard, etc. These are guys that are so valuable to their team, that a trade involving one of these players is incredibly unlikely. I’m not here to tell you that you can no longer trade for these players, but I can tell you the CPU will be much, much stingier in parting with a Core player. In fact, they’ll demand one in return. Don’t expect to package two 82-rated players and grab a Core player in return. Not happening this year.
Beyond the addition of the Core role, the system now features new logic that can be best described as, “do I really need this player?
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Good stuff DC
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Amazing how much they listen to what the people want
im not you
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Why the hell does Hasheem Thabeet have a 25 vertical?
That's DEAD wrong.
Son can dunk from the FT line.
That's DEAD wrong.
Son can dunk from the FT line.
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That is more so of a gameplay flaw. When a player is that tall and has a decent vertical, their heads will be way above the box when going for rebounds. He already has an advantage being that tall in the game. I know he can jump higher than that. But it isn't pretty when you give him his "Correct" vertical.
Also remember that his reach is the main reason he can jump from the FT line.
In this game, vertical is how high someone gets off the ground, not how high the can touch in the air.
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Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican
Amazing how much they listen to what the people want
It really is it is like they took everyones input on OS
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thanks for those ratings.
how does it affect Yaos overall dominance in games?
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The Association improvements sound
, hopefully everything works as intended.
