***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[RustyShackleford]

“How about zero?” Manchin, Sanders get heated behind closed doors

"Joe said, 'I'm comfortable with nothing,'" Sen. Jon Tester tells Axios.

www.axios.com

This dude is such a clown

 

[Cashflow]

 

[noskey]

Wait is this real?? This is huge news.

 

[gry60]

The silver lining of this legislative debacle may be that the obstruction tactic has been played one time too many. Now that Manchin, Sinema, and the rest of the GOP are all showing their asses, let's hope that whatever is left of the American middle class and those who are headed to the bottom of the ladder open their eyes to see and vote accordingly against centrist dems and the right.

 

[gry60]

Oh, and:

How Republicans Are Trying to Use the Green Party to Their Advantage (Published 2020)

The G.O.P. has sought to help Green Party candidates in previous election cycles to siphon votes from Democrats. This year is no different — but it hasn’t always worked.

www.nytimes.com

 

[rexanglorum]

 

[osh kosh bosh]

 

[Methodical Management]

well im sure the republican that takes Machins place in 2024 will do a better job.

I guess he is the Republican who will take his place.

It's even lazier than you think:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/10/21/trump-truth-social-fake-accounts/

The whole thing runs on "a mostly unmodified version of Mastodon," an open-source social media platform whose founder is already weighing legal action against the app for its apparent licensing violations.
Before new registrations were blocked, a Post reporter managed to secure and post under the name "mikepence" "without any stops in place."

The act of railing against Section 230 while simultaneously launching a social media platform entirely predicated in its protections is perhaps the richest thing still associated with this decrepit carnival huckster.

This is math in Riverside?

That explains their housing values.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Oh, and:

How Republicans Are Trying to Use the Green Party to Their Advantage (Published 2020)

The G.O.P. has sought to help Green Party candidates in previous election cycles to siphon votes from Democrats. This year is no different — but it hasn’t always worked.

www.nytimes.com

The Green Party has rarely been about leftist politics, 3rd-way progressivism, or climate policy. I've been to some of their meetings, they are **** shows.

The Green party in practice had mainly been a vehicle for attention-seeking white liberals to live out some struggle self-actualization story

Take Ralph Nader, dude wanted to run for President, everyone knew he couldn't win.

But the Democratic Party concerned he would play spoiler invited him to run in the primary. He refused

They invited him to help write their platform, he refused

They ask him what police concession he wanted, he refused to engage

His own advisors throughout all this told him to drop out because the polls were too close and he might guarantee Bush winning, he refused

Then Bush and SCOTUS steal the election, so much attention is paid to Florida (he probably cost Gore the state) that people forget New Hampshire. That the case Nader cost Gore NH is stronger than costing him Florida.

Gore wins NH, he is president, no matter what happens in Florida.

And after all that, Nader was defiant in taking accountability for what he did.

This is Green Party, this is what attracted Sinema to it. The feeling that she can pretend to be the leading protagonist in the world of politics no matter how much damage she does, no matter how delusional she appears, she wants to feel special. Even if she ****s everything up in the process.

 

[frink85]

 

[frink85]

This is math in Riverside?

That explains their housing values.

probably a typo. its Riverside so it must be a meth class.

 

[Mark Antony]

Kinda weird she doesn't know she can't do that in 2021.

 

[gry60]

Rigged. Forced into debt. Worked past exhaustion. Left with nothing.

Thousands of drivers work up to 20 hours a day, sometimes for pennies. When they get sick or refuse to keep working, trucking companies fire them and take their trucks – along with thousands they have paid toward buying them

www.usatoday.com

Los Angeles — Samuel Talavera Jr. did everything his bosses asked.

Most days, the trucker would drive more than 16 hours straight hauling LG dishwashers and Kumho tires to warehouses around Los Angeles, on their way to retail stores nationwide.

He rarely went home to his family. At night, he crawled into the back of his cab and slept in the company parking lot.

For all of that, he took home as little as 67 cents a week.

Then, in October 2013, the truck he leased from his employer, QTS, broke down.

When Talavera could not afford repairs, the company fired him and seized the truck -- along with $78,000 he had paid towards owning it.

A yearlong investigation by the USA TODAY Network found that port trucking companies in southern California have spent the past decade forcing drivers to finance their own trucks by taking on debt they could not afford. Companies then used that debt as leverage to extract forced labor and trap drivers in jobs that left them destitute.

If a driver quit, the company seized his truck and kept everything he had paid towards owning it.

If drivers missed payments, or if they got sick or became too exhausted to go on, their companies fired them and kept everything. Then they turned around and leased the trucks to someone else.

Drivers who manage to hang on to their jobs sometimes end up owing money to their employers – essentially working for free. Reporters identified seven different companies that have told their employees they owe money at week’s end.


The USA TODAY Network pieced together accounts from more than 300 drivers, listened to hundreds of hours of sworn labor dispute testimony and reviewed contracts that have never been seen by the public.

Using the contracts, submitted as evidence in labor complaints, and shipping manifests, reporters matched the trucking companies with the most labor violations to dozens of retail brands, including Target, Hewlett-Packard, Home Depot, Hasbro, J.Crew, UPS, Goodyear, Costco, Ralph Lauren and more.

‎Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast: Inside China's High-Tech Penal Colony with Darren Byler on Apple Podcasts

‎Show Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast, Ep Inside China's High-Tech Penal Colony with Darren Byler - Oct 12, 2021

podcasts.apple.com

On a previous episode of Hayes' podcast (that one was about dirty jobs that keep society running), the guest said something (or quoted someone else, IIRC) about civilization that describes what we're living through. He said, the most civilized nation is not one in which life is idyllic; it's a nation that can hide its ugly parts the best.

Slavery never ended; it got rebranded.

 

[elpablo21]

 

[RustyShackleford]

More *******...

 

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[Wargames]

but BLM is the problem….

 

[dmbrhs]

Kinda weird she doesn't know she can't do that in 2021.

I mean, I think it'd be pretty weird if teachers did it 25 years ago, when I learned trig thanks to Sohcahtoa.

 

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[IATT]

 

[rexanglorum]

 

[rexanglorum]

Sadly, not literally.