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Oh, so you didn’t have any actual examples. We can look at the guy you shamelessly defended for four years and see the kind of messaging these people respond to.
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“messaging”
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the problem is clearly “messaging”
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“Messaging“
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The idea that attempting to steal an election is worse than successfully stealing it, is just your opinion,Do you want to know how I know none of your questions are asked in good faith?
You don't erect a structure to publicly execute elected officials if you don't mean it. You know this.
"Hang Mike Pence" was shouted from outside the Capitol, as GOP members of Congress who gave "tours" to visitors days before were chilling inside, at ease. The vagueness of Jim Jordan and his acolytes about their whereabouts and who they were talking to around that day suggests that they may be in deeper doodoo than we think (but we'll wait for the Commission to confirm that).
On Jan 6th, GOP congresspeople were talking about prosecuting the perpetrators to the full extent of the law. A few weeks later, they stripped Cheney, the 3rd most powerful member of the party, of all her assignments for calling out Trumpists. I think events like this prove that with or without deaths, the party would still have moved further towards right-wing extremism. I also think you know this.
I also know that you know about the sustained efforts of the GOP to remove any voice that criticizes the direction of the party message of white identity politics. Definitely a shift towards the left /s
Finally, it's one thing to bum rush a vote counting precinct in order to stop a recount from happening. It's another thing to go to the legislative seat of the whole country and try to take out the number 2 and 3 in the line of succession. When right-wing political actors have decided that instead of relying on obscure tricks to influence decisions in their favor, they'll go ahead and threaten the very stability of their political institutions (with the overt support of other elected officials), I think it is safe to say that the Overton window not moving anywhere to the left.
Also,
At Least 10 Republicans Who Were At The Jan. 6 Rally Just Got Elected To Office
And even more attendees of the rally that turned into the Capitol riot will likely be on the ballot in 2022.www.huffpost.com
Its not data or evidence, it's just your opinion ultimately.
So basically what your saying is that you've made some inferences about state of country based on your perception of news coverage of various events.
And making an assumption about the the state of the "Overton window."; A made up non empirical concept.
Now normally id be willing to grant this kind of assumption as reasonable and not demand hard data for this kind general statement of opinion...
But im feeling obtuse today.
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This MF’er said spend millions on surveys 
oh yeah, that’s gonna do it
oh yeah, that’s gonna do it
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This is you putting words in my mouth.
I didn't compare the outcomes; I compared the methods.
Is it my opinion that Liz Cheney was stripped of all her power within the party because she wanted to prosecute Trump?
Is it my opinion that a lot of retiring GOP officials cite the direction of the party as the reason why they no longer want to be involved in it?
Yes, and? I do recall saying that you could make assumptions. I even said that your assumption about teachers was not unreasonable, but that you had to check it in order to recommend a course of action.
Well, if you're familiar with the concept of modeling, you will know that the main drawback is that models do not take into account all the conditions that can apply to a situation. I fail to see why we can't apply the Overton window in our observation of the political winds in the US, especially if we acknowledge its limits.
Pew Research Center
A nonpartisan fact tank that informs the public about the issues, attitudes and trends shaping the world.
www.pewresearch.org
Knock yourself out.
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This MF’er said spend millions on surveys
A lot of politics is a sales job. There is a reason that companies do market research.
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Why do you support pedos? What message did you read to want to control womens privates?
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is GOP officials turning against their party evidence of the Overton moving right?
if people within the party are going against their own party
it's not clear to me that's evidence of the Overton window shifting right.
nobody in the GOP left the party over a riot enacted to steal and election in 2000,
but people are leaving now, that indicates that extremism is less acceptable not more acceptable.
upper middleclass suburban people, traditional republican voting swung to the democrats in 2016 and 2020
seems to me if traditional republicans are turning against their own party.
the public is clearly less accepting of that behavior not more.
you said, and correct me if im wrong.
the Overton window on has shifted to the right on right wing extremism,
democrats don't actually need to modulate their messaging to win swing voters.
that sounds like you are recommending a course of action to me.
over the trump years the public became more accepting of immigration not less
blood and soil nationalism is the bed rock of right wing extremism.
if it is true that the Overton window has shifted to the right,
shouldn't we see a drop in adults support for immigration?
it's risen with everyone, including republicans.
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The idea that saying extreme thing leads the public to become more accepting of those things. aka shifting the Overton window, is I think, a highly contestable claim.
the republicans embraced right wing extremist president.
and despite having a like 7 point geographic edge in the senate map.
and an extremely electoral college efficient voting coalition
managed to lose the house, the senate, the presidency
and traditional suburban republican voting areas.
if the Overton window model is even valid,
how can you really conclude it's shifted to the right?
it seems like republicans embrace extremism and the voters have rejected it.
and it's only the efficiency of their coalition that is holding back total annihilation.
the republicans embraced right wing extremist president.
and despite having a like 7 point geographic edge in the senate map.
and an extremely electoral college efficient voting coalition
managed to lose the house, the senate, the presidency
and traditional suburban republican voting areas.
if the Overton window model is even valid,
how can you really conclude it's shifted to the right?
it seems like republicans embrace extremism and the voters have rejected it.
and it's only the efficiency of their coalition that is holding back total annihilation.
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How many politicians you think was trying capitalize off of criticizing big bird in ‘72?
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Bari Weiss and a few other people preoccupied with cancel culture are starting their own university
Mannn, the finesse never stops with these people
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The Almighty Grift 
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BTW, the university is not offering degrees yet
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Could you imagine the curriculum there or the policies/procedures? All You’d need to do is claim fake news or white oppression and you’re bullet proof
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Aaaaand we're back at square 1.
Are you saying that people are not susceptible to propaganda? Because there's an entire century worth of history to prove you wrong.
Obviously, you don't come out the gates and say "these people need to be shoved in ovens;" you say, "these people, by virtue of their [insert immutable characteristic like skin color or racial/ethnic background or sexuality] are unfit to be part of our society," and you and your supporters dance around the question of "what to do with those people" until you're in position to do the unthinkable without opposition.
That's the playbook. The form of the message is just as important as the content, and I don't think you're willing to acknowledge that.
In 2020.
Part of it was because of the mishandling of COVID, and another part was Trump's style. If you actually listen to Republicans many will tell you that they have no issue with his ideas, but the package in which he presented them was unappealing.
And in 2021, they've been winning local and statewide elections in blue states, after spending much of the year spreading misinformation about everything from healthcare to education while looking disciplined and "respectable."
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dont forget crying about 'cancel culture'
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If you ever end up on academic probation just say the uni is trying to cancel you and you're good
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