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[Mark Antony]

How does that even make sense? Some real dystopian stuff and people are like "I like this, I want more of this".

 

[Based Jesus]

 

[dragicon]

22,000 bombs

 

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[Wargames]

Supreme Court rejects challenge to Washington state ‘conversion therapy’ ban

Over the objection of three conservatives, the court left in place a state law that bars therapists from counseling minors to change sexual orientation or gender identity, a practice favored by some conservatives.

www.nbcnews.com

We got to keep voting Dems in until Thomas and Alito leaves.

 

[Wargames]

Just to put this all into perspective

 

[MakeNTGreatAgain]

and people think israel would still have the same power they do now if the united states pulled the plug

 

[Armada]

Was just reading a lot of the high speed rail proposals and the grants approved. Praying for something like to break ground been begging for this for ages

 

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Just to put this all into perspective

same party that’s fighting free school lunches for kids


anyway, on this situation

 

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[DLF]

I urge you to be more angry with the sorry *** DNC and not mad at measly voters like me who will stay home or vote 3rd party if the orange devil wins.

 

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[frink85]

Alex gotta chill on the ‘roids

 

[Belgium]

How does that even make sense? Some real dystopian stuff and people are like "I like this, I want more of this".

Just another day in the office for religious zealotry. I have nothing against normal religious people who are just harmlessly practicing their faith without harming anyone.

People like this though? As far as groups I despise the most, religious zealots (biblethumpers in this case) are easily top 5. Maybe even top 3. I certainly rate them higher than neo nazis, after all there’s not a ton of neo nazis nowadays.

 

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[noskey]

after all there’s not a ton of neo nazis nowadays.

Maybe where you live...

 

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[mplsdunk]

I urge you to be more angry with the sorry *** DNC and not mad at measly voters like me who will stay home or vote 3rd party if the orange devil wins.

This is a wild move.

 

[yobyellav]

This is what happens when everything is a conspiracy theory to these clowns.

This way they can never be wrong and their constituents just keep rolling right along with it.

So he's already resigned to being convicted? lololol
Need to tell him to give up Gaetz and all he'll get is probation.

No way this becomes a thing. Wild that this is what's gonna get these idiots voted out.

 

[Brownstone]

@osh kosh bosh you made several good points but I’d say that you’re focusing on discrete moments of sensationalism and/or irresponsibility. My contention is a fairly narrow so I’ll try to be very precise.

The entire ecosystem of all leftist podcasters, streamers, activists who use platforms like Twitter, Twitch, youtube, tiktok, and a bunch of other social apps I’m too old to know of, let alone use, all of it. It has collectively done a better job of activating the youngest cohort of potential voters. And you are right that media ecosystem has certainly activated some young people who started with left media and their left ideology morphed into reaction or anti politics. I’m sure that “Red Scare Pod” and its parasocial relationship with its listeners caused some of them to follow the hosts on their journey from champagne socialist and cocaine socialists to reactionary ridiculous, even by online tradwife standards.

Probably more common than driving the newly politicized young people to Retvrn is driving them to anti politics or to accelerationism. But those gains for conservatism or cynicism are very small compared to what the Democratic Party gains by the fact that alternative/online left media activated a lot of people in the cohort with the lowest voter participation. It activated them when more mainstream media couldn’t.

A lot of activated voters, voters whose worldview is largely rooted in a critique of hierarchy, are a boon for Democratic candidates even if the left media sphere takes some potential votes away from Democrats.

Again, it’s a huge deal that large college towns are flipping purple States and districts and unraveling Republican counter majoritarian measures imposed since 2011. There’s a ways to go on that but gen z is looking like the final deluge causing the dam of gerrymandering and voter suppression and lawfare to break under the sheer weight of people power. Left media, on the whole, has played a huge role in that.

You have a bunch of voters who believe that hierarchies like race and class and even gender are illegitimate, they can do math and they usually know the basics of the US constitution and most of them reason that voting for every Democratic candidate in every competitive race on their ballots is a net positive in advancing a world that aligns with their values, however slightly they believe it to be.


BTW, the Trolley problem picture is true sometimes among the left, I can’t deny that.

As someone who doesn’t follow Will Stancle but sees him in my feed everyday, I can say that most leftists understand a low unemployment economy puts puts money in the pockets of people most marginalized by the labor markets, as well as being helpful for organized labor, especially for that initial step that is forming a union. At the same time, there’s structural issues in the economy and yes; as a socialist, I’d say that a truly good economy is one where everyone has a good quality of life and until than, we don’t have a good economy.

But that analysis does require nuance and young people are more likely to skip using nuanced analysis because they tend to experience stronger emotions than use approaching middle age types. That’s especially true when taking an objective look at the rest of the 21st century if their is no institutional change.

So yeah they say “Genocide Joe” but most people who are even thinking about Joe Biden 11 months before Election Day and who are outraged at Israel and the US’ tolerance of civilian casualties in Gaza, are probably going to see Trump’s calls for even more barbarism and will take a bunch of hits on their weed pen and go vote for Joe “Genocide” Biden. And a vote is a vote, begrudgingly given or not.

Ehh, these activated young voters especially by the sources you claim (alternative media) you speak of have yet to turn out in numbers using any real statistical analyis

Age and media source (mainstream/less so) was far less statistically significant than :
-where someone lives (suburban/rural/urban)
-Whether they went to school
-Hispanic (far more likely than any other minority to go red)

Trump actually gained young voters in 2020 vs 2016