***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[ninjahood]

LOL
"Don't believe that hype" *Flavor Flav voice

w/e.

i ain't opposed to people keeping more of da money they earned, what they eat dont make me ish.

 

[Nike Jordan]

 

[rexanglorum]

Why do people engage?

As I qualified earlier in this discussion. If engaging with politics views that consider toxic is triggering, feels like an imposition of emotional labor or just plain too exhausting for your taste, you do not have to engage.

If that is not the case, you should engage. You should engage even if it means repeating yourself. How many things do people learn being told something one time and one time only?

You should engage because it is harder to demonize and vilify people with whom you engage. When you establish yourself as being part of shared community, people with opposing views are more likely to listen to you.

I engage because a lot patient professors, friends, family and fellow NTers have engaged with me over the years. When the facts fail to uphold a previously held world view, the next world view will be what has been presented to you over the years. I moved from conservatism and libertarianism over to intersectionality and socialism because I had an political version of an ontological collapse and I was in proximity to a leftist world view.

If I had been isolated and ridiculed by every leftist I ever met then perhaps my falling out with libertarianism would have caused me to become a Steve Bannon style White Supremacist or a Timothy McVeigh anarchist.

Too many people here are hoping that Trump's policy will cause miser and that misery will cause his supporters to renounce their world view and naturally embrace progressivism. I am quite confident that Trump's policies will cause misery for many of his supporters but if we, progressives, refuse to engage, then many disillusioned Trump supporter could migrate to something even worse.

nah, pull up a bill that da GOP brass all agreed on in terms of replace?

once Obamacare fails its da dems who own it, and whoever GOP members helped block it.

Trump has managed to defy a lot of the conventional wisdom of politics. However, this is a risky gambit.

Could you imagine Obama in 2009, refusing to do the stimulus. Obama actively predicting a full on depression by 2010 and saying that he'll blame it all on the then minority Republican caucuses in Congress once unemployment surges past 20%.

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

 

[ninjahood]

Trump has managed to defy a lot of the conventional wisdom of politics. However, this is a risky gambit

da minute Trump came down da escalator he's been playing with house money.

that vote gonna be put up or shut up time.

 

[everysingletime]

As I qualified earlier in this discussion. If engaging with politics views that consider toxic is triggering, feels like an imposition of emotional labor or just plain too exhausting for your taste, you do not have to engage.

If that is not the case, you should engage. You should engage even if it means repeating yourself. How many things do people learn being told something one time and one time only?

You should engage because it is harder to demonize and vilify people with whom you engage. When you establish yourself as being part of shared community, people with opposing views are more likely to listen to you.

I engage because a lot patient professors, friends, family and fellow NTers have engaged with me over the years. When the facts fail to uphold a previously held world view, the next world view will be what has been presented to you over the years. I moved from conservatism and libertarianism over to intersectionality and socialism because I had an political version of an ontological collapse and I was in proximity to a leftist world view.

If I had been isolated and ridiculed by every leftist I ever met then perhaps my falling out with libertarianism would have caused me to become a Steve Bannon style White Supremacist or a Timothy McVeigh anarchist.

True. I feel like the key is to be patient and informative when communicating with people who have voted for Trump. Is it always going to work? No. I understand that a lot of people who've voted for him are not going to change their mind no matter what. But calling Trump voters inbred ignorant racists is not helping the situation.

 

[gry60]

True. I feel like the key is to be patient and informative when communicating with people who have voted for Trump. Is it always going to work? No. I understand that a lot of people who've voted for him are not going to change their mind no matter what. But calling Trump voters inbred ignorant racists is not helping the situation.

I am willing to discuss with remorseful Trump voters. Nobody is above being fooled; still, the onus is on them to recognize that they were taken for a ride and it is on them to ask how that happened. The unapologetic Trumpist, on the other hand, can catch all the slander thrown his way. Their "me first, me only" attitude is cancerous and must be called out at every single opportunity.

 

[rolaholic]

After being given a secret document by officials in Moscow, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher sought to alter sanctions legislation and tried to set up a virtual show trial on Capitol Hill.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-lawmaker-got-direction-from-moscow-took-it-back-to-dc

Kevin McCarthy was on to something when he said this last year...

 

[dwalk31]

Y'all are against tax cuts? And simplification of the tax code? I thought there was bipartisan support for Trump's tax plan.

 

[dwalk31]

da minute Trump came down da escalator he's been playing with house money.

that vote gonna be put up or shut up time.

Pretty much this. People have been saying Trump would not be able to do this or that since last year. Every time he does, they find some new talking point to measure his success on

 

[dwalk31]

True. I feel like the key is to be patient and informative when communicating with people who have voted for Trump. Is it always going to work? No. I understand that a lot of people who've voted for him are not going to change their mind no matter what. But calling Trump voters inbred ignorant racists is not helping the situation.

Finally some reasonable people in this thread

 

[gry60]

Pretty much this. People have been saying Trump would not be able to do this or that since last year. Every time he does, they find some new talking point to measure his success on

What has he done other than sign executive orders? Dude even gave up the part of the presidency he is most directly in charge of (the military) to the Pentagon.

 

[gry60]

Y'all are against tax cuts? And simplification of the tax code? I thought there was bipartisan support for Trump's tax plan.

Have you thought about ALL the socioeconomic consequences of tax reform the way the GOP envisions it?

 

[dwalk31]

What has he done other than sign executive orders? Dude even gave up the part of the presidency he is most directly in charge of (the military) to the Pentagon.

The constitutionally of the travel ban, him winning president or even the republican nominee in the first place defied the prediction of most political pundits. He's been in 6 months. Executive orders are the only thing he can do unilaterally.

 

[dwalk31]

Have you thought about ALL the socioeconomic consequences of tax reform the way the GOP envisions it?

Have I thought about ALL of them? Probably not. I do know the personal implications for me. Would you care to enlighten me on the glaring issues that you see? Again, I thought there was bipartisan support for his tax reform plan. Isn't this his plan in a nutshell:

• Reduce the 7 tax brackets to 3 tax brackets of 10%, 25%, and 35%
• Double the standard deduction
• Relief for families with child and dependent care expenses

For business:

• 15% business tax rate

You think this is bad?

 

[rillo561]

Victory laps and rallies are now "accomplishments"

 

[cashbanks]

Maybe all trump voters aren't awful but I've never met or seen one who wasn't.

 

[AEA18]

It looks like people are arguing with themselves in here

That would actually be more productive. Orange cult members are too far gone.

There is no reasoning, explaining anything to them. If facts don't matter what's left?

 

[Mark Antony]

Yeah lemme get on that wave.

 

[gry60]

Have I thought about ALL of them? Probably not. I do know the personal implications for me. Would you care to enlighten me on the glaring issues that you see? Again, I thought there was bipartisan support for his tax reform plan. Isn't this his plan in a nutshell:

• Reduce the 7 tax brackets to 3 tax brackets of 10%, 25%, and 35%
• Double the standard deduction
• Relief for families with child and dependent care expenses

For business:

• 15% business tax rate

You think this is bad?

Depends on what it accomplishes.

You go ahead and look up the various economic analyses of his plan and its potential impact on all sectors of society.

 

[IATT]

 

[dwalk31]

Depends on what it accomplishes.

You go ahead and look up the various economic analyses of his plan and its potential impact on all sectors of society.

So you don't have any useful dissent. You asked about consequences and provided none when asked...

 

[rillo561]

Cowards

 

[AEA18]

I hope there is video of that.