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Adam Schiff: An open letter to my Republican colleagues



Munich Security Conference, the prevailing sentiment among our closest allies is that the United States can no longer be counted on to champion liberal democracy or defend the world order we built.

For the past two years, we have examined Russia’s interference in the 2016 election and its attempts to influence the 2018 midterms. Moscow’s effort to undermine our democracy was spectacularly successful in inflaming racial, ethnic and other divides in our society and turning American against American.


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But the attack on our democracy had its limits. Russian President Vladimir Putin could not lead us to distrust our own intelligence agencies or the FBI. He could not cause us to view our own free press as an enemy of the people. He could not undermine the independence of the Justice Department or denigrate judges. Only we could do that to ourselves. Although many forces have contributed to the decline in public confidence in our institutions, one force stands out as an accelerant, like gas on a fire. And try as some of us might to avoid invoking the arsonist’s name, we must say it.

I speak, of course, of our president, Donald Trump.


Opinion | Obstruction of justice is hard to prove, even if Trump makes it look easy

How to prove obstruction of justice: Did the suspect have corrupt intent, and would the actions, if successful, be likely to obstruct the proceeding? (Joshua Carroll/The Washington Post)

The president has just declared a national emergency to subvert the will of Congress and appropriate billions of dollars for a border wall that Congress has explicitly refused to fund. Whether you support the border wall or oppose it, you should be deeply troubled by the president’s intent to obtain it through a plainly unconstitutional abuse of power.

To my Republican colleagues: When the president attacked the independence of the Justice Department by intervening in a case in which he is implicated, you did not speak out. When he attacked the press as the enemy of the people, you again were silent. When he targeted the judiciary, labeling judges and decisions he didn’t like as illegitimate, we heard not a word. And now he comes for Congress, the first branch of government, seeking to strip it of its greatest power, that of the purse.

Many of you have acknowledged your deep misgivings about the president in quiet conversations over the past two years. You have bemoaned his lack of decency, character and integrity. You have deplored his fundamental inability to tell the truth. But for reasons that are all too easy to comprehend, you have chosen to keep your misgivings and your rising alarm private.

That must end. The time for silent disagreement is over. You must speak out.

This will require courage. The president is popular among your base, which revels in his vindictive and personal attacks on members of his own party, even giants such as the late senator John McCain. Speaking up risks a primary challenge or accusations of disloyalty. But such acts of independence are the most profound demonstrations of loyalty to country.

Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III may soon conclude his investigation and report. Depending on what is in that report and what we find in our own investigations, our nation may face an even greater challenge. While I am alarmed at what we have already seen and found of the president’s conduct and that of his campaign, I continue to reserve judgment about what consequences should flow from our eventual findings. I ask you to do the same.

If we cannot rise to the defense of our democracy now, in the face of a plainly unconstitutional aggrandizement of presidential power, what hope can we have that we will do so with the far greater decisions that could be yet to come?

Although these times pose unprecedented challenges, we have been through worse. The divisions during the Vietnam War and the civil rights movement were just as grave and far more deadly. The Depression and World War II were far more consequential. And nothing can compare to the searing experience of the Civil War.

If Abraham Lincoln, the father of the Republican Party, could be hopeful that our bonds of affection would be strained but not broken by a war that pitted brother against brother, surely America can come together once more. But as long as we must endure the present trial, history compels us to speak, and act, our conscience, Republicans and Democrats alike
 
Maybe Stone has really gotten in over his head this time with this crime spree and wants as much notoriety as he can, knowing he'll go down for at least something. I don't recall his exact words but in Get Me Roger Stone (good watch btw) he said something along the lines of rather having notoriety/infamy than nobody talking about him at all. One of his favorite "bragging rights" is that he was the youngest person to testify in the Watergate trials.



He certainly needs to stop playing games with this Judge. He has to separate his persona from actual court proceedings, or it will not end well.
 
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Adam Schiff: An open letter to my Republican colleagues



Munich Security Conference, the prevailing sentiment among our closest allies is that the United States can no longer be counted on to champion liberal democracy or defend the world order we built.

For the past two years, we have examined Russia’s interference in the 2016 election and its attempts to influence the 2018 midterms. Moscow’s effort to undermine our democracy was spectacularly successful in inflaming racial, ethnic and other divides in our society and turning American against American.


ADVERTISING
But the attack on our democracy had its limits. Russian President Vladimir Putin could not lead us to distrust our own intelligence agencies or the FBI. He could not cause us to view our own free press as an enemy of the people. He could not undermine the independence of the Justice Department or denigrate judges. Only we could do that to ourselves. Although many forces have contributed to the decline in public confidence in our institutions, one force stands out as an accelerant, like gas on a fire. And try as some of us might to avoid invoking the arsonist’s name, we must say it.

I speak, of course, of our president, Donald Trump.


Opinion | Obstruction of justice is hard to prove, even if Trump makes it look easy

How to prove obstruction of justice: Did the suspect have corrupt intent, and would the actions, if successful, be likely to obstruct the proceeding? (Joshua Carroll/The Washington Post)

The president has just declared a national emergency to subvert the will of Congress and appropriate billions of dollars for a border wall that Congress has explicitly refused to fund. Whether you support the border wall or oppose it, you should be deeply troubled by the president’s intent to obtain it through a plainly unconstitutional abuse of power.

To my Republican colleagues: When the president attacked the independence of the Justice Department by intervening in a case in which he is implicated, you did not speak out. When he attacked the press as the enemy of the people, you again were silent. When he targeted the judiciary, labeling judges and decisions he didn’t like as illegitimate, we heard not a word. And now he comes for Congress, the first branch of government, seeking to strip it of its greatest power, that of the purse.

Many of you have acknowledged your deep misgivings about the president in quiet conversations over the past two years. You have bemoaned his lack of decency, character and integrity. You have deplored his fundamental inability to tell the truth. But for reasons that are all too easy to comprehend, you have chosen to keep your misgivings and your rising alarm private.

That must end. The time for silent disagreement is over. You must speak out.

This will require courage. The president is popular among your base, which revels in his vindictive and personal attacks on members of his own party, even giants such as the late senator John McCain. Speaking up risks a primary challenge or accusations of disloyalty. But such acts of independence are the most profound demonstrations of loyalty to country.

Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III may soon conclude his investigation and report. Depending on what is in that report and what we find in our own investigations, our nation may face an even greater challenge. While I am alarmed at what we have already seen and found of the president’s conduct and that of his campaign, I continue to reserve judgment about what consequences should flow from our eventual findings. I ask you to do the same.

If we cannot rise to the defense of our democracy now, in the face of a plainly unconstitutional aggrandizement of presidential power, what hope can we have that we will do so with the far greater decisions that could be yet to come?

Although these times pose unprecedented challenges, we have been through worse. The divisions during the Vietnam War and the civil rights movement were just as grave and far more deadly. The Depression and World War II were far more consequential. And nothing can compare to the searing experience of the Civil War.

If Abraham Lincoln, the father of the Republican Party, could be hopeful that our bonds of affection would be strained but not broken by a war that pitted brother against brother, surely America can come together once more. But as long as we must endure the present trial, history compels us to speak, and act, our conscience, Republicans and Democrats alike
Many of you have acknowledged your deep misgivings about the president in quiet conversations over the past two years. You have bemoaned his lack of decency, character and integrity. You have deplored his fundamental inability to tell the truth. But for reasons that are all too easy to comprehend, you have chosen to keep your misgivings and your rising alarm private.
People that still support this idiot are either dumb as **** or profiting.
 
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https://nypost.com/2016/01/16/dont-be-fooled-by-bernie-sanders-hes-a-diehard-communist/
 
Bernie’s right wing opponents make the best, unintentional pro Bernie agitprop. Fox News and NY Post are some of the very best.

We see the same dynamic with AOC.
"Liberals are horrible. If they have their way we'll have universal health care, a social safety net, and every child will have access to quality education. It's terrible, I tell you. Just terrible."

is 2020's version of:

"These progressives are horrible. If they have their way we'll have to drink out of the same water fountains and ride the same buses as 'them.' And women and other non-land-owners will get to vote. And those factory workers will get to ask for overtime pay. The country will be ruined, I tell you. America is done."
 
True, they really want to paint a picture of their “communist/socialist” agenda lol

The ole Nixon tactic.
Call your opponent a communist
People fall for it though


Anyway im already seeing the groups form for 2020.

There ia gonna be the status quo/who cares crowd.

The lets find a centrist moderist crowd because we are scared of change.

The im voting for the razzle dazzle Media darling that is non threatning

The MAGA, Racist, step on anyone on the way up crowd.

And the economists, social scientists, progressives, and radical change crowd which have done all the heavy lifitng the last 100 years.

#Bernie
-Honesty
-Integrity
-Ideals
-Ideas
 
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For starters, he proposes completely nationalizing our health care system and putting private health insurance and drug companies “out of business.” He also wants to break up “big banks” and control the energy industry, while providing “free” college tuition, a “living wage” and guaranteed homeownership and jobs through massive public works projects. Price tag: $18 trillion.
Oh, the horror!
 
I’m posting facts, no name calling here, Russia, Cuba n Nicaragua were communist countries when Bernie visited and praised them and they’re still communist TO THIS DAY. I know it’s a hard pill to swallow, but u can’t dismiss it.

https://www.wibc.com/blogs/chicks-right/uncovered-audio-bernie-sanders-1985-will-blow-your-mind

I’d argue that America has reached a tipping point where income inequality and the neoliberal rot of the last 40 years has brought us to a point where there are more voters, who will be motivated to vote for Sanders at the sight of Historical World Wide Leftwing movements and governments, than there are voters who will not vote for Sanders when shown those same images.

That’s my take on the politics. I may be wrong in that assessment, Soviet and other historical leftist symbols can still galvanize a large number of voters.

As far as the History is concerned, it is important to distinguish between Cuba and USSR, which both began as leftist revolutions but who quickly devolved into authoritarian brand of State Capitalism, and Venezuela, Nicaragua, Chile, Brazil and other Latin American Countries whose people elected socially democratic governments which were subsequently overturned through American military intervention, economic sanctions, CIA operations and support for those Coubtries’s militant and rightwong elements.

In the 1980’s, Sanders was mayor of Burlington and that city had a pseudo foreign policy through its sister city program. He was opposed to Reagan’s hawkishness, in particular, and US imperialism in general. Sanders is not in favor of the authoritarianism of the USSR but he wanted to show global left solidarity in the same way US Presidents meet with Saudi Monarchs but are not Monarchists.

Sanders trip to Nicaragua was a direct repudiation of the US policy of finding death squads who refused to accept Ortega’s election victory. In Nicaragua, the US was the enemy of democracy and human rights. Bernie Sanders disagreed with that policy.
 
Short answer, no. Unfortunately the black vote is at stake if they don't.
This is an insane rationale imo, according to.most polling black people are more conservative on the issue of reprations than their woke white brothers and sisters.


NOTHING GOOOD can come of talking about reprations. It's crazy and a massive self own.

Just say "I think my policies that can help both white and black people lift themselves out of poverty." Ect ect
 
They are doing it because of the ADOS movement, and one of the fringe candidates have proposed it.

Not like they can hide from it. The question is being asked
They are politicians they can totally dodge it.

Especially black candidates, you are black you don't need to say you support ****ing reprations to get the black vote.
 
They are politicians they can totally dodge it.

Especially black candidates, you are black you don't need to say you support ****ing reprations to get the black vote.
Ok cool.

I was just saying why the issue was being discussed. It was not something the major candidates were bringing up themselves
 
How serious will that actually be? Like can that legitimately stop his campaign? I’ve been under the impression that the feds will quietly tell trump we won’t indict you if you don’t run.
 
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