***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[rexanglorum]

Dude your *** called her a white supremacists for **** she didn't even believe. And ran from applying your logic to your preferred candidate.

So to be honest, **** your *** too when it comes to Harris

Only @deuce king topped you with the nonsense

We all agree that you can be a white supremacist and not be white. Obviously, we disagree on wether or not Harris is one but please don’t act like I’m being extra for saying that a black politician governed in a way that was based on white supremacy.

and yes, I know crime bill. That was trash but there is an important distinction. When you are in a legislature you do have to make compromises. When you are DA, you are the most powerful person in a County. You have dictatorial power. The way that the criminal legal system operates on your watch is a direct reflection of your values.

Harris’s values consisted of ethnic cleansing all to turn San Francisco into a theme park fir white tech Bros and venture capitalists. She continued her reign of terror as California AG where she staked our a position to the right of Antonin Scalia in order to keep as many slave fire fighters as she could in order to defend the private property of rich white home owners.

The most flattering narrative is that she’s a “color blind” classist. Although it doesn’t really matter because the result was plunder. Black and brown lives, families and communities shattered so that already well of Californians (the vast majority of whom were white) could be even more wealthy and comfortable.

 

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[RustyShackleford]

We all agree that you can be a white supremacist and not be white. Obviously, we disagree on wether or not Harris is one but please don’t act like I’m being extra for saying that a black politician governed in a way that was based on white supremacy.

and yes, I know crime bill. That was trash but there is an important distinction. When you are in a legislature you do have to make compromises. When you are DA, you are the most powerful person in a County. You have dictatorial power. The way that the criminal legal system operates on your watch is a direct reflection of your values.

Harris’s values consisted of ethnic cleansing all to turn San Francisco into a theme park fir white tech Bros and venture capitalists. She continued her reign of terror as California AG where she staked our a position to the right of Antonin Scalia in order to keep as many slave fire fighters as she could in order to defend the private property of rich white home owners.

The most flattering narrative is that she’s a “color blind” classist. Although it doesn’t really matter because the result was plunder. Black and brown lives, families and communities shattered so that already well of Californians (the vast majority of whom were white) could be even more wealthy and comfortable.

So what about Bernie campaigning on his vote and ignoring activist in his state during a time Joe ****ing Biden was introducing bills to undo some of the damage? Are we excusing that too? Are we excusing him doing the bidding of the NRA, one of the truly right wing white supremacists institutions in America, when he first got into office and also repeating racist "culture of violence" rhetoric Bernie said in 2015? Please spare me, when it comes to racism and white suprremacy you always give Bernie a pass on **** you hammer a liberal you don't like for.

Now you are a communists and saw the error of your ways, you feel embolden enough make reaches to call people like me a racist, or Harris a white supremacists. Hell you are even moving the goal post now because when you called her that last time you were not doing so strictly on her record as a prosecutor.

So nah, spare me, for multiple reasons.

I don't disagree that non white people can further the system of white supremacy. I am saying you are hypocritical with who you call out.

However I know the answer already, the socialist must get more leeway. Just come out and say it like you did with Evo.

 

[dacomeup]

and yes, I know crime bill. That was trash but there is an important distinction. When you are in a legislature you do have to make compromises. When you are DA, you are the most powerful person in a County. You have dictatorial power. The way that the criminal legal system operates on your watch is a direct reflection of your values.

They're both elected officials beholden to their electorate. It's convenient to paint one person as making compromises and another as one with dictatorial power. Bernie could've easily voted no on the Crime Bill. You know that.

 

[RustyShackleford]

They're both elected officials beholden to their electorate. It's convenient to paint one person as making compromises and another as one with dictatorial power. Bernie could've easily voted no on the Crime Bill. You know that.

It I wild to me he can't see how taking such stances undermines his complaints of unfairness toward Bernie Sanders in here.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Bernie made mistakes, and he should be forgiven

But Harris knew exactly what she was doing and should be instantly disqualified

If someone wants to die on that hill, at least all the implicit white privilege should keep them company.

 

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[RustyShackleford]

 

[aepps20]

Clowns like Yang, Gabbard, Steyer, and Bloomberg still have life.

But candidates like Booker, Harris, and Castro are all getting moved out the paint early.

This is where my real frustration with my fellow Dems rest. I can wrap my head around the Biden or Bernie support. But the fact so much trash can be tolerated while serious progressive candidates are dismissed is depressing.

Even with Beto vs. Pete. Both are jars of political Mayo but it was clear to me from the jump that Beto was the sincere but naive one, that genuinely seem to be learning from the experience. Where as Pete while somewhat sincere is mainly a diet scammer trying to further his political career.

Mayor Pete is the Rockdeep of politics. Dude is scamming everyone and won't hesitate to send you the picture of the yappa if you disagree with him.

 

[RustyShackleford]

This is an IMAX level projection. My gawd

 

[wavycrocket]

Like I been telling y’all....keep falling for the okie doke....



2020 going to be a **** show.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Mayor Pete is the Rockdeep of politics. Dude is scamming everyone and won't hesitate to send you the picture of the yappa if you disagree with him.

 

[Based Jesus]

Diet scammer not even winning the youth

Why this look like a photo from when we were in HS though

 

[rexanglorum]

So what about Bernie campaigning on his vote and ignoring activist in his state during a time Joe ****ing Biden was introducing bills to undo some of the damage? Are we excusing that too? Are we excusing him doing the bidding or the NRA, one of the truly right wing white supremacists institutions in America when he first got I to office and the repeating racist "culture of violence" rhetoric Bernie said in 2015? Please spare me, when it comes to racism you always give Bernie a pass on **** you hammer a liberal for.

Let me be frank, for years people on NT had to tolerate your diet white supremacists nonsense. You whined back then if someone dare called you racist. You take up for rancid racist like Ninja and CRC. Even after Meth gave you a break on posting racist nonsense you will still try to pushback on admitting how vile you were.

Yet now your are a communists you feel embolden enough make reaches to call people like me a racist, or Harris a white supremacists.

So nah, spare me, for multiple reasons.

I don't disagree that non white people can further the system of white supremacy. I am saying you are hypocritical with who you call out.

However I know the answer already, the socialist must get more leeway. Just come out and say it like you did with Evo.

I had some very bad views and I am still learning. For instance, two or three years ago, I did not know or care too much about US foreign policy and since then, I learned the extent that it is shaped by white supremacy. That’s why I have the views I have on the recent situation in Bolivia.

go back a decade or so and yes, my posts were animated by white supremacy. Most of it was based on the meritocratic belief that black and brown folk could have material and legal parity with whites if they had sufficient moral hygiene. I was wrong.

That is why I dislike Harris so much, especially her policy of using the criminal legal system against parents of truant children. Having experienced a lot of the education system in this country, I see how it acts as a means of preserving class hierarchies (and in this country, that frequently means racial hierarchies as well). So when I see someone, no matter their stated ideology, say that marginalized people should just change their station in life through education and therefore the broader society need not change itself, I will suspect that that person is a white supremacist. When they put that view into practice with the backing of a state monopoly of violence, I know that they are downright diabolical.

Now I’ve never called you a racist. I have said that you should be weary of things that the British empire (whataboutism) and American empires (this latest military take over in Latin America was not a right wing coup) say. I have never said that you’re ok with white supremacy, I suggested that you may not see the white supremacy in something. I know that I still discover the finger prints of white supremacy on all sorts of things from spread sheets to freeways. When we talk about America and/or the pan African diaspora, you’ll always have an advantage over me in that you have experienced white supremacy first hand. When it comes to something outside either of our experiences such as being an indigenous person in a South American country then you are in the same position that I am normally in and your best bet, epistemologically, is to assume the worse and that white supremacy is at play.

As far as being soft on racism from socialists is concerned, I probably am a bit more forgiving. I am sure that some of it is pure tribalism, we tend to be more forgiving of people with whom we have a lot in common. There’s another factor though. If a person is against hierarchy in one sphere of life, they have a higher potential of rejecting hierarchy In other spheres of life. This applies more so to non politicians though.

In the case of US politics, there are no politicians whose careers are centered around administering the criminal legal system and who also have a credible path to establishing Social Democracy. If that were the case, I would not support such a politician. However, the one candidate who has the policy and praxis to undermine the hegemony of capital is Bernie Sanders and while he needs to do better he does not have a career like Harris’ which is defined by racialized, structural violence.

 

[Mark Antony]

Like I been telling y’all....keep falling for the okie doke....



2020 going to be a **** show.

I hate how obvious Tulsi is with it but still fooling people.


Would ya'll collect a check for disruption?

 

[Mark Antony]

Why this look like a photo from when we were in HS though

Did he photoshop himself into 2001?

 

[rexanglorum]

They're both elected officials beholden to their electorate. It's convenient to paint one person as making compromises and another as one with dictatorial power. Bernie could've easily voted no on the Crime Bill. You know that.

Perhaps dictator is too strong a term. Let’s say unitary power. A congressman or senator has their own constituents but they have to make laws in concert with many others and that is usually done with one time votes on multifaceted bills.

By contrast, a district attorney is able to decide law enforcement priorities and has enormous latitude. It wasn’t like Kamala had to do something bad to get something good. The policy of arresting parents of kids who missed their classes was not only not forced upon her. The policy was her idea and unlike the crime bill, she could have called it off unilaterally at any time during her tenure.

The crime bill was trash but it had a life of its own beyond the control of any single member of Congress Congress. The jailing of parents of truant kids that was all Kamala.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I had some very bad views and I am still learning. For instance, two or three years ago, I did not know or care too much about US foreign policy and since then, I learned the extent that it is shaped by white supremacy. That’s why I have the views I have on the recent situation in Bolivia.

go back a decade or so and yes, my posts were animated by white supremacy. Most of it was based on the meritocratic belief that black and brown folk could have material and legal parity with whites if they had sufficient moral hygiene. I was wrong.

That is why I dislike Harris so much, especially her policy of using the criminal legal system against parents of truant children. Having experienced a lot of the education system in this country, I see how it acts as a means of preserving class hierarchies (and in this country, that frequently means racial hierarchies as well). So when I see someone, no matter their stated ideology, say that marginalized people should just change their station in life through education and therefore the broader society need not change itself, I will suspect that that person is a white supremacist. When they put that view into practice with the backing of a state monopoly of violence, I know that they are downright diabolical.

Now I’ve never called you a racist. I have said that you should be weary of things that the British empire (whataboutism) and American empires (this latest military take over in Latin America was not a right wing coup) say. I have never said that you’re ok with white supremacy, I suggested that you may not see the white supremacy in something. I know that I still discover the finger prints of white supremacy on all sorts of things from spread sheets to freeways. When we talk about America and/or the pan African diaspora, you’ll always have an advantage over me in that you have experienced white supremacy first hand. When it comes to something outside either of our experiences such as being an indigenous person in a South American country then you are in the same position that I am normally in and your best bet, epistemologically, is to assume the worse and that white supremacy is at play.

As far as being soft on racism from socialists is concerned, I probably am a bit more forgiving. I am sure that some of it is pure tribalism, we tend to be more forgiving of people with whom we have a lot in common. There’s another factor though. If a person is against hierarchy in one sphere of life, they have a higher potential of rejecting hierarchy In other spheres of life. This applies more so to non politicians though.

In the case of US politics, there are no politicians whose careers are centered around administering the criminal legal system and who also have a credible path to establishing Social Democracy. If that were the case, I would not support such a politician. However, the one candidate who has the policy and praxis to undermine the hegemony of capital is Bernie Sanders and while he needs to do better he does not have a career like Harris’ which is defined by racialized, structural violence.

-You said I sounded like the Americans that defended white suprremacy against Soviet criticism. If you want the record to show you didn't call me a racist explicitly, do not try to whitewash what you actually did.

-The problem is, you like many others, are defining Harris' career by only the worst aspects of her career, aspects where she explicitly admitted wrong and tried to correct. We can go down the list of things she has done that's were good, even some the new wave of progressive prosecutors are copying, all the progressive proposals she put forward as a legislator, even those that have long been ignored by other Dems in the field. Her plan to investigate State Attorneys offices for discrimination is something that was not in the mainstream discussion until her. Also it is an area many activist and scholars have pointed out needs addressing. But all that gets ignored in the analysis

While acknowledging Bernie's bad you also ask that he gets redeem himself from past actions, he gets the breaks, his bad actions are measured against his good. That on aggregate he must be viewed as a good actor. Hell you want people to disregard all the bad, and view him as the only one that can properly move the country forward because of his economics.

You don't make that consideration for Harris, that is not on the table for her.

That at a minimum a more nuanced discussion on her record should have taken place in the left besides "she is a cop". But **** it, it worked so why even give it anymore thought. Right?

Because as always, Bernie must win.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Perhaps dictator is too strong a term. Let’s say unitary power. A congressman or senator has their own constituents but they have to make laws in concert with many others and that is usually done with one time votes on multifaceted bills.

By contrast, a district attorney is able to decide law enforcement priorities and has enormous latitude. It wasn’t like Kamala had to do something bad to get something good. The policy of arresting parents of kids who missed their classes was not only not forced upon her. The policy was her idea and unlike the crime bill, she could have called it off unilaterally at any time during her tenure.

The crime bill was trash but it had a life of its own beyond the control of any single member of Congress Congress. The jailing of parents of truant kids that was all Kamala.

Bernie Sanders as made a career for himself voting against Democratic bills on principle. He campaigns on that fact.

His vote was not needed to pass the bill, so he didn't need to vote for the bill he openly admitted to on the House floor would hurt African Americans.

He damn sure should not have reminded the white voters of Vermont about that vote when it came election times, and he should have listened to activist in his state when they were begging him to give attention to mass incarceration in the state.

All those things were within Bernie's control, nothing got away from him.

 

[Christian Pulisic]

Deflectin' Devin got caught!

 

[mister friendly]

Glad Kamala is out of the paint,so my boy Biden can get more shine.

Remember he was Obama’s Vice president.

 

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[gry60]

I just want to know which schools give these people diplomas. They're failing the public by not failing these idiots.