***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[Belgium]

What particularly stood out to me in Trump’s newly released 2nd term agenda was “Ending cashless bail and keeping angerous criminals locked up until trial.”

It doesn’t take a genius to figure out which demographic will be disproportionately disadvantaged by that policy goal.And the current bail system already does that so Trump would exacerbate the dispartities.

 

[elpablo21]

To me the more wild aspect is that the husband also is against trump and formed a watch dog group. Wtf, the wife lowkey throwing shots at her husband on behalf of trump

That’s not even fit to be in a script

He ain't **** either. Grifter like the rest

One of those never trumper conservatives who will go back on code if any dem/progressive legislation gets put on the table

Shout out to the Lincoln Project for now but they can kick rocks after November

 

[rexanglorum]

He ain't **** either. Grifter like the rest

One of those never trumper conservatives who will go back on code if any dem/progressive legislation gets put on the table

Shout out to the Lincoln Project for now but they can kick rocks after November

They’re already laying the ground work. The minute Biden gets sworn in, they and the rest of the political right and center will decide that the current budget deficit is the biggest crisis we are facing and will block the substantial measures to get a handle on COVID and its far reaching economic effects.

 

[gry60]

Not a single forward criminal justice reform goal, as any reasonable person would expect

-Fully fund and hire more law enforcement officers
-Increase criminal penalties for assaults on law enforcement officers
-Prosecute drive-by shootings as domestic terrorism
-Bring violent extremist groups like Antifa to justice
-End cashless bail and keep ‘dangerous criminals’ locked up until trial

If Trump gets reelected, I'm going to wait for some of y'all on the other side of the Atlantic ocean. If I'm going to live in a dictatorship, I'd rather be where I can blend in the majority.

 

[gry60]

So the left might say “check the flight logs” and the right might “say check the flight logs” but we mean two different things

True, but what the Left doesn't seem to realize is that it is talking to a crowd that has been intellectually prepped to hate them and anything associated to them. You're going against 40 -60 years of anti-leftist propaganda. Ask the centrist worker what they know about the history of labor conditions in the US before and after the New Deal, the relationship between productivity and wages before and after Reagan, the role of unions in building the middle class, etc... and you'll get a blank stare. Just look at the visceral reaction the terms "liberal" and "socialist" receive in many parts of the country.
The result is, the public doesn't hear two different things; all they see is, "even the communists, who are generally wrong, agree that the Democrats are pedos." The GOP doesn't care about the reasons why you agree with them, they only care that they can use your voice in their ads to attack Democrats. In doing so, the GOP is able to use the Leftist's voice to destroy the vessel - the Democratic party - through which the Leftist will be able to gain influence and improve the general public's perception and acceptance of progressive policies.

What the Left should do is focus on educating their listeners on how the GOP is a bigger threat to democracy than centrist Democrats. What they should do is explain to them why it is important for them to become reliable voters of the party that aligns closest to their interests and why it is important; what they should do is explain how for every Clinton you have 5 Roy Moore's on that the GOP actually protects. Coddling bothsideism does not and will not help them gaining a bigger voice through the electoral process.

 

[uncalled4boy]

Not a single forward criminal justice reform goal, as any reasonable person would expect

-Fully fund and hire more law enforcement officers
-Increase criminal penalties for assaults on law enforcement officers
-Prosecute drive-by shootings as domestic terrorism
-Bring violent extremist groups like Antifa to justice
-End cashless bail and keep ‘dangerous criminals’ locked up until trial

This Is Awful.

No Context As To How Any Of This Will Be Done.

 

[junglejim]

Not a single forward criminal justice reform goal, as any reasonable person would expect

-Fully fund and hire more law enforcement officers
-Increase criminal penalties for assaults on law enforcement officers
-Prosecute drive-by shootings as domestic terrorism
-Bring violent extremist groups like Antifa to justice
-End cashless bail and keep ‘dangerous criminals’ locked up until trial

 

[junglejim]

The “I voted for trump because of policy proposals”starter pack

 

[wr]

Stay ready for pick up futbol

 

[plansb]

The “I voted for trump because of policy proposals”starter pack

Don’t slander Bayern like that the day after the final win.

 

[had pants]

 

[AEA18]

Not a single forward criminal justice reform goal, as any reasonable person would expect

-Fully fund and hire more law enforcement officers
-Increase criminal penalties for assaults on law enforcement officers
-Prosecute drive-by shootings as domestic terrorism
-Bring violent extremist groups like Antifa to justice
-End cashless bail and keep ‘dangerous criminals’ locked up until trial

Damn both sides really are the same.

"Kamala is pro-cop and Biden signed the crime bill so I just can't bring myself to vote this election."

 

[dwalk31]

Trump has posted his second term "agenda"


This is especially interesting...

DEFEND OUR POLICE

• Fully Fund and Hire More Police and Law Enforcement Officers
• Increase Criminal Penalties for Assaults on Law Enforcement Officers
• Prosecute Drive-By Shootings as Acts of Domestic Terrorism
• Bring Violent Extremist Groups Like ANTIFA to Justice
• End Cashless Bail and Keep Dangerous Criminals Locked Up until Trial

This is the part about criminal justice. dwalk31 something must be wrong, there is no mention of the famed "Second Step Act"

Also on the final point, Trump is against ending cash bail. Cash Bail in practice in one of the most racist components of the criminal justice system. In discussions with @Methodical Management , guess who was trumpeting his support for the end of cash bail.....



But the man who claims to be all about criminal justice reform, is still gonna vote for Trump even after he reaffirms his intention to pursue regressive tough-on-crime policies. Ain't that right Delk.

My positions have been consistent.

I disagree with Trump's position on cash bail, period. You outlined the issues with it and I told Meth the same.

There was also no mention of the First Step Act by Trump when he ran the first time, if I recall.

 

[AEA18]

 

[IATT]

My positions have been consistent.

I disagree with Trump's position on cash bail, period. You outlined the issues with it and I told Meth the same.

There was also no mention of the First Step Act by Trump when he ran the first time, if I recall.

 

[RustyShackleford]

My positions have been consistent.

I disagree with Trump's position on cash bail, period. You outlined the issues with it and I told Meth the same.

There was also no mention of the First Step Act by Trump when he ran the first time, if I recall.

Pathetic

Btw, there was no mention of the First Step Act in 2016 because he didn't support criminal justice reform. Cory Booker convinced his friend Jared Kushner who then convinced Trp to sign it for a PR win. Multiple sources have reported that Trump has said he regrets doing it.

So you are gonna vote for Trump again on the hopes Cory Booker will convince Kushner to convince Trump again?

Cause that is how stupid you sound

 

[dwalk31]

Pathetic

Btw, there was no mention of the First Step Act in 2016 because he didn't support criminal justice reform. Cory Booker convinced his friend Jared Kushner who then convinced Trp to sign it for a PR win. Multiple sources have reported that Trump has said he regrets doing it.

So you are gonna vote for Trump again on the hopes Cory Booker will convince Kushner to convince Trump again?

Cause that is how stupid you sound

I've outlined my reasoning. His administration has the ability to get legislation past a senate that might obstruct a Biden administration.

What good are Biden's proposals if they die in the Senate?

Trump didn't run on the First Step Act, but its passage shows that meaningful legislation can get passed by this administration even when it isn't a policy proposal that is campaigned on.

 

[dwalk31]

The Republican National Convention Starts Monday. Here's What You Need To Know

The Republican National Convention Starts Monday. Here's What You Need To Know

A small number of Republican leaders will be physically present in Charlotte, N.C., on Monday, but most of the convention will be virtual.

www.npr.org

 

[junglejim]

Pathetic

Btw, there was no mention of the First Step Act in 2016 because he didn't support criminal justice reform. Cory Booker convinced his friend Jared Kushner who then convinced Trp to sign it for a PR win. Multiple sources have reported that Trump has said he regrets doing it.

So you are gonna vote for Trump again on the hopes Cory Booker will convince Kushner to convince Trump again?

Cause that is how stupid you sound

To be fair he voted for him the first time when Trump ran on a nationwide stop and frisk policy. Not sure why the second term would be any different other than the vague platitudes he uses to make it so he can sleep at night knowing he is voting for him solely due to lower taxes.

 

[PatRiley]

Dat logic

 

[IATT]

The Republican National Convention Starts Monday. Here's What You Need To Know

The Republican National Convention Starts Monday. Here's What You Need To Know

A small number of Republican leaders will be physically present in Charlotte, N.C., on Monday, but most of the convention will be virtual.

www.npr.org

 

[PatRiley]

don’t forget that half the speakers are his family...

 

[IATT]

 

[RustyShackleford]

I've outlined my reasoning. His administration has the ability to get legislation past a senate that might obstruct a Biden administration.

What good are Biden's proposals if they die in the Senate?

Trump didn't run on the First Step Act, but its passage shows that meaningful legislation can get passed by this administration even when it isn't a policy proposal that is campaigned on.

Once again, asinine logic. You are basically saying you are voting for Trump not because something is likely to happen, but because you think an anomaly happens again. The First Step act is the exception, not the rule. Trump and his administration has been very regressive on criminal justice on aggregate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...7533de-bb0f-11ea-86d5-3b9b3863273b_story.html

Give Trump credit for the First Step Act — but not for much else on criminal justice issues

Police in Ferguson, Mo., in November 2014. (Eric Thayer for The Washington Post)

By
Joe Davidson
Columnist
July 2, 2020 at 3:00 a.m. PDT
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President Trump’s racist comments and tweets — such as his retweet of a video with a supporter shouting “White power!” — are potent, but it’s what he does that really counts.
This is particularly true in law enforcement, where studies have shown black people are treated more harshly than white people in similar situations.

Trump’s record brims with proposals and policies that enrage civil rights activists and negatively affect African Americans. With diverse groups of demonstrators in every state taking to the streets to protest police violence and systemic racism, it’s time to look at the administration’s record on criminal justice issues.
There is good news.

Trump signed the bipartisan First Step Act in 2018. Among other things, it aimed to lessen the overincarceration of black people and the racially disparate impact of federal criminal justice practices by reducing some mandatory minimum sentences. The Bureau of Prisons was instructed to improve and expand inmate rehabilitation programs and prohibit the shackling of pregnant prisoners.

The Brennan Center for Justice, a nonpartisan law and policy institute, called the measure “a major win for the movement to end mass incarceration.” Trump gushed over the legislation, saying it gives “countless current and former prisoners a second chance at life and a new opportunity to contribute to their communities, their states and their nations.”
But for civil rights analysts, what the First Step Act gives doesn’t make up for what Trump has taken away.

“The administration loves to take credit for signing the First Step Act into law,” said Connor Maxwell, who until Tuesday was a senior policy analyst at the Center for American Progress, “but in reality [the Trump administration] has undone decades of progress and contributed to the national crisis we’re in now.”
Among the administration’s actions riling civil rights and criminal justice advocates:


●The Justice Department's Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention diminished a research program that sought to eliminate the overincarceration of black and Latino youths compared with their white counterparts. States receiving grants no longer have to provide specific data on black and brown youth arrests and convictions to determine whether there is "disproportionate minority contact" with law enforcement. Instead, state officials — according to the Marshall Project, a nonprofit, nonpartisan news organization focusing on criminal justice — are asked less detailed questions that fail to specifically address the problem. A Justice Department statement said a research unit was moved from one office to another "to improve coordination and support the development of a coherent and broad research agenda."

●The juvenile justice office also withdrew training manuals used by local officials to reduce racial disparities in the name of cutting regulations, the Marshall Project reported. The Justice Department said that a tool to monitor youth contact with law enforcement was removed from the agency’s website “based on new legal guidance” and that data collection requirements were simplified.
●A 2017 Trump executive order allowing police departments to get federal military equipment. The order overturned a policy President Barack Obama implemented after an uproar against the use of what he called “militarized gear” against crowds protesting the police killing of Michael Brown, an unarmed African American teen, in Ferguson, Mo. Trump, referring to his executive order and other actions later that year, said he “promised to restore law and order to our country. . . . We will spare no resource in fighting, so that every American child can grow up free from violence and fear.”


●The sharp reduction of the Justice Department’s “pattern-or-practice” investigations of certain police departments to determine how often they use force, what kind of force and whether that force is used excessively against black people.

●The slashing of the use of consent decrees, court-approved agreements between the Justice Department and local police agencies accused of excessive force, often against black residents. The agreements were designed to reform police practices and improve community relations.
Investigations can lead to decrees. The Trump administration has initiated one pattern-or-practice investigation and no consent decrees. Attorney General William P. Barr told CBS News “you can actually get more focused change and more real change by working in more collaboration with the police. . . . We are working with police departments to address use-of-force policies, personnel policies, standards and practices . . . without the collateral effects that some of these consent decrees have,” such as having “police pull back” from their duties.


Vanita Gupta, who led pattern-or-practice investigations and consent decrees as head of the Justice Department’s civil rights division in the Obama administration, rejects that. “The Trump administration’s record on the criminal legal system reform is abysmal,” said Gupta, now the president and CEO of the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights.

Although the First Step Act moves away from mandatory minimum sentences, she cited the administration’s encouragement of the toughest possible penalties, its plans to increase private prison use and other factors as counters to Trump’s praise for the law.
“Trump himself has also called for police to rough up suspects, threatened protesters with military response and has halted police reform and accountability for unconstitutional conduct,” she said.


The widely touted First Step Act “is an anomaly against the backdrop of how his administration . . . has systematically undone almost all existing federal reform efforts,” Gupta added. “The First Step Act doesn’t erase any of this long record of dismantling criminal justice reform.”

And before you star with the DOJ is independent. Then why doesn't Trump demand Barr stop these actions, like he demanded they stop the Mueller investigation. He doesn't say a peep, in fact he does the opposite, he champions these tough on crime moves.

So keep making yourself look like an ***, in hopes it doesn't make you look like the supporter of white supremacy that you are.

 

[IATT]

don’t forget that half the speakers are his family...